Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[yosemiteben]

BRob + 2nd for Jones

[amcoolio]

If Phoenix is indeed really bad.... Sessions/Lamb for Brandon Knight? Admittedly not the best contract but maybe a good team and system can do wonders for him. Did tear it up last year, was abysmal in the opener

[HornetJail]

If Phoenix is indeed really bad.... Sessions/Lamb for Brandon Knight? Admittedly not the best contract but maybe a good team and system can do wonders for him. Did tear it up last year, was abysmal in the opener

Knight is probably a top 20 PG in the league if not top 15. He can play the 2 as well. I would trade a 1st to get him here. PGs of his caliber are being paid more right now than he does. His contract is fine.

[yosemiteben]

Yeah Knight should require decent rotation assets, not backups that we ourselves are looking to upgrade.

[Snidely FC]

I'm in the Lamb thread saying he needs to go, so ...

Lamb + Aaron Harrison to SAC for Ben McLemore + Omri Casspi

while people here are throwing up in their mouths over Harrison he is still only 21 yrs old, a 6'6" combo guard. SAC seems like the kind of team that would like his potential

Sac notably tried to unload McLemore this summer. I don't necessarily think he's an upgrade over Lamb, but he is an expiring 4mln contract.

Casspi would be a great fit here. He pulled a DNPCD in Sac's game 1 for some reason, but he is a 28 yo 6'9 SF who shot 40% from 3 last year on a 2.9m expiring and has the kind of demeanor Cliff would love. Excellent MKG depth.

[LofJ]

I'd like to get Casspi, he's a good player to target. I don't really care to add McLemore though.

Some other guys I'd like to target are Tucker, Rubio, and Jerian Grant. The first two because they're high IQ veterans that are good fits for our roster. Grant because I think we could get him for cheap. I'd rather have him taking up one of our end of bench roster spots than Harrison or Roberts.

Mostly, I'm just not happy with the quality of our guard depth. We need an upgrade of talent at the 1-2, preferably someone that can play defense.

[Braggins]

Darren Collison is on an expiring deal and makes about the same as Sessions. Hed be a good candidate to pick up on the cheap if the Kings suck. If a second round pick or two got it done id probably be on board. Basically the Lee trade from last season but for a PG.

I would love to have a young PG to groom, but I think its a more immediate concern to get someone who is an upgrade over Sessions right now.

[BigSlam]

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[BatumtheGlue]

I hate this guy but... Pls sign Mario Chalmers.

[chellis]

Well, this deal originally just started with Philly...then somehow I kept expanding it. Bit by bit. I know it's highly unlikely, but I want to see if I'm valuing some of these players too heavy or too light. Any recommendations appreciated

Charlotte receives: Noel, Covington, Knight
Phoenix receives: Zeller, 1st rounder via Charlotte (let's say top 8 protected in 2017, unprotected in 2018)
Sacramento receives: Lamb, 2nd rounder via Philly
Philadelphia receives: Gay, Hawes, 1st rounder via Charlotte (to convey in appropriate amount of time after the 1st is conveyed to PHX)

Why for CLT? Get a better backup PG or to run side-by-side with Kemba in the starting lineup, a little bench scoring with Covington on a good deal and a defensive minded big man.

Why for Phoenix? They get a 1st for Knight and a solid rotational big man. (I've seen the proposed deal in the T&T forum...it felt light. This feels a bit much, but not sure).

Why for Sacramento? Gay says he's leaving and they want to get something for him.

Why for Philly? Clears up the big man log jam, get a decent rotational SF, and a 1st.

[dmutombo321]

Renewed speculation in Utah that their FO might make Gordon Hayward available by mid season for fear of him opting out and leaving them next offseason.

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/27/gordon-hayward-trade-rumors-already/

Any interest if he could be obtained for a deal centered around Batum or MKG?

[HornetJail]

Renewed speculation in Utah that their FO might make Gordon Hayward available by mid season for fear of him opting out and leaving them next offseason.

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/27/gordon-hayward-trade-rumors-already/

Any interest if he could be obtained for a deal centered around Batum or MKG?

He's about to be a free agent. No need to break up what we have going here for that. I would seriously like to see a three-man wing rotation of Batum/Hayward/MKG though. He's already signed with us once (before getting matched by Utah in 2014- Lance was our consolation prize lol) and I'd like to see him here. We could theoretically get him here with our cap space by dumping Hawes, Bellinelli, and potentially Lamb, while still retaining Zeller and Sessions and having money left over for a backup center.

Zeller (24) / backup C through FA/draft (16) / Frank (8)
Marvin (32) / Frank (16)
Hayward (32) / MKG (16)
Batum (32) / MKG (16)
Kemba (32) / Sessions (16)

That is a killer 9-man rotation with endless possibilities. Can you imagine a small ball lineup with Marvin or Zeller/MKG/Hayward/Batum/Kemba or even going with a big ball lineup for situations without Kemba like Zeller/Marvin/MKG/Hayward/Batum? That kind of versatility is something I dream about.

I absolutely love the fact we didn't go nuts trying to sign role players to $17M deals like other teams did this summer. We've got 4 role players making 6-7M next season that should be pretty easy to move around should an opportunity like Hayward arise and even then, we probably only need to move 2-3 at most.

[Diop]

I hate this guy but... Pls sign Mario Chalmers.

in 22 minutes for the grizzlies he averaged 10.8 pts, 3.8asts and 1.5stls
in 20 minutes for washington sessions averaged 9.9pts, 2.9 asts and .6stls.

Mario is a better shooter from 3 and doesn't drive suicidal to the basket every chance. He's also a similar size and has plenty of experiance playing off the ball when he was with the Miami hogs. he could've been solid.

I guess his injured achilles hasn't healed yet otherwise his name would have at least been discussed amongst teams this off season.

odds on, I guess he goes to the cavs when he's healthy

[dmutombo321]

Renewed speculation in Utah that their FO might make Gordon Hayward available by mid season for fear of him opting out and leaving them next offseason.

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/27/gordon-hayward-trade-rumors-already/

Any interest if he could be obtained for a deal centered around Batum or MKG?

He's about to be a free agent. No need to break up what we have going here for that. I would seriously like to see a three-man wing rotation of Batum/Hayward/MKG though. He's already signed with us once (before getting matched by Utah in 2014- Lance was our consolation prize lol) and I'd like to see him here. We could theoretically get him here with our cap space by dumping Hawes, Bellinelli, and potentially Lamb, while still retaining Zeller and Sessions and having money left over for a backup center.

Zeller (24) / backup C through FA/draft (16) / Frank (8)
Marvin (32) / Frank (16)
Hayward (32) / MKG (16)
Batum (32) / MKG (16)
Kemba (32) / Sessions (16)

That is a killer 9-man rotation with endless possibilities. Can you imagine a small ball lineup with Marvin or Zeller/MKG/Hayward/Batum/Kemba or even going with a big ball lineup for situations without Kemba like Zeller/Marvin/MKG/Hayward/Batum? That kind of versatility is something I dream about.

I absolutely love the fact we didn't go nuts trying to sign role players to $17M deals like other teams did this summer. We've got 4 role players making 6-7M next season that should be pretty easy to move around should an opportunity like Hayward arise and even then, we probably only need to move 2-3 at most.

You wont get any argument from me that it would certainly be preferable for us to keep our core together and sign Hayward outright in the offseason. I just dont think its realistic to expect Charlotte to able to offload 20 million worth of future salary by shipping out Hawes, Belli and Lamb without taking on anything in return.

If Hayward continues to be the 19ppg+ player he's been the past two years, he's going to command a max contract in the offseason and Charlotte is not going to be in the position to offer him one. What's more, teams like Boston, who are loaded with assets and long rumored to be interested in him, will be poised to make a sign and trade play for him themselves before the seasons concludes if Hayward signals to Utah's FO that may not resign.

[Braggins]

We probably couldn't outbid Boston for Hayward anyway and I don't feel like we are currently in a position where we should feel compelled to offload a ton of assets to add another piece. I would rather just wait and try to sign him outright, even if it means we probably won't get him because he'll resign with Boston after being traded there. If he stays on the Jazz til the end of the season and hits free agency then we probably do have a pretty good chance of signing him.

[BatumtheGlue]

I hate this guy but... Pls sign Mario Chalmers.

in 22 minutes for the grizzlies he averaged 10.8 pts, 3.8asts and 1.5stls
in 20 minutes for washington sessions averaged 9.9pts, 2.9 asts and .6stls.

Mario is a better shooter from 3 and doesn't drive suicidal to the basket every chance. He's also a similar size and has plenty of experiance playing off the ball when he was with the Miami hogs. he could've been solid.

I guess his injured achilles hasn't healed yet otherwise his name would have at least been discussed amongst teams this off season.

odds on, I guess he goes to the cavs when he's healthy

He will fit perfectly if he join us, but just like what you've said, i'm pretty sure he will join the Cavs once he gets healthy.

[Bassman]

I would love to trade Batum when he's eligible to be dealt. I wasn't in favor of the big money re-sign as he is just not that productive imo. Would Utah consider a swap for Hayward if they are seeking a long term player? It's a gamble for us but if we cannot sign Hayward due to excessive cost we clear a lot of cap room. It allows us to try him in this mix to see if he impacts as a star. Batum was too short a trial. While he helped us, his shooting and play is not worthy of a $24M deal.

[SWedd523]

I would love to trade Batum when he's eligible to be dealt. I wasn't in favor of the big money re-sign as he is just not that productive imo. Would Utah consider a swap for Hayward if they are seeking a long term player? It's a gamble for us but if we cannot sign Hayward due to excessive cost we clear a lot of cap room. It allows us to try him in this mix to see if he impacts as a star. Batum was too short a trial. While he helped us, his shooting and play is not worthy of a $24M deal.

I would absolutely sign and trade him for Hayward. Hell I'd throw in some filler to make it work too.

I love Batum as a connector and third best player, and I think he got a fair deal for the market, but I don't think we'll win with him making 1st/2nd best player money

[dmutombo321]

I would love to trade Batum when he's eligible to be dealt. I wasn't in favor of the big money re-sign as he is just not that productive imo. Would Utah consider a swap for Hayward if they are seeking a long term player? It's a gamble for us but if we cannot sign Hayward due to excessive cost we clear a lot of cap room. It allows us to try him in this mix to see if he impacts as a star. Batum was too short a trial. While he helped us, his shooting and play is not worthy of a $24M deal.

I would absolutely sign and trade him for Hayward. Hell I'd throw in some filler to make it work too.

I love Batum as a connector and third best player, and I think he got a fair deal for the market, but I don't think we'll win with him making 1st/2nd best player money

Any trade for Hayward would probably depend upon several things falling into place

1) Batum is off to a mediocre start and by the he becomes trade eligible in either December or January, he will need to have at least raised his level of play back to the numbers he was posting last year so his stock supports being the centerpiece of such a deal.
2) Hayward will need to have communicated to Utah that he intends to leave in the offseason, otherwise they'll have no reason to deal him
3) Agree it will probably take more than just Batum to obtain him, including at least an unprotected first and perhaps another rotation player.

Its encouraging that Cho has locked up our current core to relatively reasonable long term deals, but I just dont see this roster, as presently constructed, having the potential to go deep in the playoffs.

[yosemiteben]

3) Agree it will probably take more than just Batum to obtain him, including at least an unprotected first and perhaps another rotation player.

What? For an unrestricted FA? Why?