Frank Kaminsky #2 - Not Extended (UFA)

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I love watching Frank when he's hot. I wouldn't be too upset if he's traded.

My sense is that a coaching change will happen before a large scale team change though. I would like to see guys like Frank and Monk under a new staff to see if things are different.

[yosemiteben]

Agree with all that Vandy.

[Robot Rock]

As much as it sucks, I think Frank's skillset for the modern league is just limited.

[HoopsMalone]

Yeah I think a big problem I've come to realize is that he can't play the 5 because that involves him in the Pick N Roll. He's absolute garbage as a defender in those situations. He's too slow to hedge, he's too bad at rim protection to drop, and he's just not coordinated or defensively aware like AT ALL. That play at the end of the first quarter was embarrassing. Sometimes he doesn't even know which side of the pick he should be on. I'm all out on Frank at the 5. And thus far he's one of the worst defensive 4's in the league. It's one thing to be an average defender at the 4. It's quite another to be a monster negative.

His offensive game is never going to develop enough to justify offsetting what a disaster he is on defense this year. And I don't see him being a good end of bench guy because he seems like his confidence will get too shaken.

[arthy704]

Yeah I think a big problem I've come to realize is that he can't play the 5 because that involves him in the Pick N Roll. He's absolute garbage as a defender in those situations. He's too slow to hedge, he's too bad at rim protection to drop, and he's just not coordinated or defensively aware like AT ALL. That play at the end of the first quarter was embarrassing. Sometimes he doesn't even know which side of the pick he should be on. I'm all out on Frank at the 5. And thus far he's one of the worst defensive 4's in the league. It's one thing to be an average defender at the 4. It's quite another to be a monster negative.

His offensive game is never going to develop enough to justify offsetting what a disaster he is on defense this year. And I don't see him being a good end of bench guy because he seems like his confidence will get too shaken.

Was hoping for Frank to be our strech 4 and knock down many 3s to open up the floor for him to attack for easy layups using his height and exploit smaller ball line up 4s and 5s. His defensive awareness needs to be develope to understand when and where his man is going to leak out for the 3. Every play i see he is being torch from 3 because hes not actively anticipating his man to space out at the 3 line hes too focus on helping out on the wrong situatutions. I can live with a easy lay up or a 2 point shot as long he is there to put a hand up but when hes sleeping off the pick and roll and is too slow to to rotate for the 3 ball thats gonna be a quick -25 night.

[HoopsMalone]

DRPM has its issues but Frank is now ranked defensively #411 out of #453 players who have suited up in the NBA this year.

He's just behind horrible defenders like Reggie Jackson, Will Barton, and Deangelo Russell

and just ahead of truly wretched defenders like Evan Fournier, Andrew Wiggins, and Derrick Rose

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

As a rookie Frank was a much better defender than he is now. I'll buy that some of this is due to league scouting and teams knowing what's best to throw at Frank now ... but this is not a normal player curve. He's literally gotten worse every year.

[mrknowitall215]

Just two examples of how bad Kaminsky has been defensively all season. Kaminsky currently has the worst defensive rating among rotation players. I don't recall him being this bad defensively in the previous seasons. Is this due to a lack of being held accountable, injuries, or scheme. I can't put my finger on it

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[HornetJail]

he's always been bad. some of you managed to convince yourselves that he was a serviceable defender, but he is not. I'm ready to cut our losses and trade him for a backup PG.

[catch20two]

he's always been bad. some of you managed to convince yourselves that he was a serviceable defender, but he is not. I'm ready to cut our losses and trade him for a backup PG.

He was decent his rookie season defensively. He was usually where he was supposed to be on rotations and positioned himself well to contest shots. He just wasn’t strong or long enough (pause) to be a statistically effective defender.

[Hugo The Hornet]

I don't think trading Frank will be a wise decision. Frank has a lot of potential and I like this player. As already said here in the thread, when he's hot it's amazing to watch him. Offensively he's very good - but he must work on his defense because I think teams already targeted him as a weak defensive point of Hornets and we saw it few times.

I think that under a new coaching staff, Frank can become much better. Our coaching staff isn't good enough and I wonder how better can some guys like Frank, Monk and MKG be if we'll have a better coaching staff. I hope it will happen soon.

[catch20two]

Although Frank has his inconsistencies he can play PF and C while being able to stretch the floor. That’s the only reason why I’d consider trading Cody before Frank. It’s not because Frank is better than Cody but instead it’s because he’s versatile to cover more ground on the roster in case we ever needed him to play another position. Us playing Cody at PF 3 years ago was silly.

[catch20two]

I don't think trading Frank will be a wise decision. Frank has a lot of potential and I like this player. As already said here in the thread, when he's hot it's amazing to watch him. Offensively he's very good - but he must work on his defense because I think teams already targeted him as a weak defensive point of Hornets and we saw it few times.

I think that under a new coaching staff, Frank can become much better. Our coaching staff isn't good enough and I wonder how better can some guys like Frank, Monk and MKG be if we'll have a better coaching staff. I hope it will happen soon.

This. I firmly believe that another coaching staff would cover up his weaknesses by maximizing his strengths. I still to this day don’t understand why our coaches entrust Frank with decision making in our offense and allow him to try to make plays off the dribble when he’s so bad at it.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I still to this day don’t understand why our coaches entrust Frank with decision making in our offense and allow him to try to make plays off the dribble when he’s so bad at it.

Because this is how Cliff's system works. The Magic had Hedo Turkoglu as their alternate ball handler / passer. The Hornets famously used McBob in that role. It's why Batum starts over Lamb. He's that guy for the starters.

[catch20two]

I still to this day don’t understand why our coaches entrust Frank with decision making in our offense and allow him to try to make plays off the dribble when he’s so bad at it.

Because this is how Cliff's system works. The Magic had Hedo Turkoglu as their alternate ball handler / passer. The Hornets famously used McBob in that role. It's why Batum starts over Lamb. He's that guy for the starters.

Somebody need to tell Clifford that it’s not 2009 anymore and that SVG no longer runs that system after failing at doing so thru Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris while posting Drummond up at high frequencies. Nowadays they just run a lot of PnR thru Drummond as a roll man emphasizing him on looking for the second pass out to the perimeter as much as finishing at the rim.

But then again Clifford isn’t coaching so somebody need to tell Silas to forget everything that’s been instilled by Clifford.

[DY_nasty]

I still to this day don’t understand why our coaches entrust Frank with decision making in our offense and allow him to try to make plays off the dribble when he’s so bad at it.

Because this is how Cliff's system works. The Magic had Hedo Turkoglu as their alternate ball handler / passer. The Hornets famously used McBob in that role. It's why Batum starts over Lamb. He's that guy for the starters.

Somebody need to tell Clifford that it’s not 2009 anymore and that SVG no longer runs that system after failing at doing so thru Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris while posting Drummond up at high frequencies. Nowadays they just run a lot of PnR thru Drummond as a roll man emphasizing him on looking for the second pass out to the perimeter as much as finishing at the rim.

But then again Clifford isn’t coaching so somebody need to tell Silas to forget everything that’s been instilled by Clifford.

how many interim coaches overhaul a defensive scheme mid season?

[catch20two]

how many interim coaches overhaul a defensive scheme mid season?

Don’t need a overhaul. Just a few tweaks. These guys are professional basketball players that have been doing this stuff for at least 10-15 years if not more. They didn’t learn basketball a few years ago. There’s not much they haven’t seen or done before.

Our offense is worse than our defense. That’s where the primary focus should be at anyway.

[yosemiteben]

he's always been bad. some of you managed to convince yourselves that he was a serviceable defender, but he is not. I'm ready to cut our losses and trade him for a backup PG.

He was decent his rookie season defensively. He was usually where he was supposed to be on rotations and positioned himself well to contest shots. He just wasn’t strong or long enough (pause) to be a statistically effective defender.

Good post, this is my view on him.

I strongly disagree with the take that Cliff is a bad defensive coach though. What are these defensive strengths that Frank has that Cliff neglected?

[catch20two]

he's always been bad. some of you managed to convince yourselves that he was a serviceable defender, but he is not. I'm ready to cut our losses and trade him for a backup PG.

He was decent his rookie season defensively. He was usually where he was supposed to be on rotations and positioned himself well to contest shots. He just wasn’t strong or long enough (pause) to be a statistically effective defender.

Good post, this is my view on him.

I strongly disagree with the take that Cliff is a bad defensive coach though. What are these defensive strengths that Frank has that Cliff neglected?

I don’t recall calling Cliff a bad defensive coach but since you nudged me to address this topic I won’t budge. Clifford’s stubbornness and complacency in things that worked in the past has often been the fatal flaw to his progression or lack thereof as a coach. Clifford also seems to barely hold veteran’s or dare I say player favorites like Big Al, Neal, and Belinelli accountable defensively the way he do a lot of other players. But I don’t think Clifford is a bad defensive coach. Just a stubborn and complacent one. Ain’t no growth in complacency.

[DY_nasty]

how many interim coaches overhaul a defensive scheme mid season?

Don’t need a overhaul. Just a few tweaks. These guys are professional basketball players that have been doing this stuff for at least 10-15 years if not more. They didn’t learn basketball a few years ago. There’s not much they haven’t seen or done before.

Our offense is worse than our defense. That’s where the primary focus should be at anyway.

Its incredibly hard to justify in our case too because we're not even a bad defensive team. It'd be one thing if we were the Kings out there or something but that's just not the case. I don't think its fair to throw that at Silas. Especially when the team has been fighting injuries at every position this year and was struggling to get back on the same page even up to the Zeller injury.