Fake Trade Thread #3

Rich4114 · Post #21 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:42 pm

Remember when we could've drafted Myles Turner but instead turned down a pile of draft picks and took Frank Kamisky instead? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I really do not want to part with PJ, Monk, Devante and to a lesser degree Miles unless doing so changes our roster dramatically and enables us to land a star by consolidating some of them. It would be easy for me to move any of Batum, Rozier, Zeller and non-lottery picks to add talent that fits better with the future and could be a major contributor in 2022 and beyond.

Post #22 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:57 pm

Braggins wrote:Myles Turner isnt very good. Hes a good rim protector and mediocre outside shooter, but thats pretty much all he has going for him. Hes not very good at rebounding. Hes slow and doesn't guard on the perimeter. He doesn't do anything on offense other than spot up for 3s and he shoots a very mediocre percentage. Hes a generally sort of low IQ player.

I personally wouldn't be interested in acquiring him, but hes an ok player and still young, so I wouldn't mind it as long as they didn't give up anything too valuable. Trading PJ for him would be crazy and I wouldn't even give up Monk/Bridges. Trading Rozier for him could make some sense for both teams.

I 100% agree - and I’d even add that he’s not necessarily a good rim protector as well, he’s a good weak side defender and not really a “man the paint” type rim defender.

Might as well just draft Oturu at #32.

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MasterIchiro · Post #23 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:23 pm

Boston's after Turner for good reason and so is Kupchak. Turner is redundant in Indiana and his contract is a little pricey for what he brings. Nevertheless, Miles Bridges gets knocked for having poor advanced stats. I don't like that he isn't a playmaker, especially when wings on good teams excel at playmaking. He's never been able to take his man off the dribble and doesn't have much of a face up game. Turner as a stretch 5 is more valuable than Miles as a wing. It's a different story if Miles is a 4. But he can't be that for big minutes here with PJ. If one of them must go, I'm keeping PJ 100/100 times. Avdija would add playmaking on the wing and he has the size and versatility to slide over to PF. But he considers himself a wing. He's a much better handler than Miles and can take his man off the dribble. And it's not like we're losing great outside shooting with Miles either. Eventually Avdija could replicate it but with better spacing due to his playmaking ability from the wing. Individual rebounding is overrated. Turner is an upgrade over Zeller across the board and has room to improve. 24 is younger than our franchise PG. Turner makes far more sense as a rumor than Westbrook.

James Gatz · Post #24 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:31 pm

People are really over valuing Miles in this thread. There is no way Pacers would move Turner for Miles straight up. If we wanted Turner the deal would revolve around #3. I don't think it makes sense for us to do that deal.

Also this is being talked about in the Wiseman thread but the bare minimum, and it's likely more, to move up to 1 would be 3, Bridges, and 32. Again I wouldn't do it but we should be aware of what our assets are actually worth.

Chapelchilla · Post #25 » by **Chapelchilla** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:33 pm

If we are determined to draft Deni, I wouldn't mind trading Miles for Myles. It gives us a pretty darn solid front court of Deni-PJ-Myles to go with our PG's. We could then draft a stud 2 guard next year and be good going forward.

Liver_Pooty · Post #26 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:39 pm

Rumor that Boston may already be trying to deal Walker if they can get Holiday. Buyers remorse, I guess.

MasterIchiro · Post #27 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:49 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:If we are determined to draft Deni, I wouldn't mind trading Miles for Myles. It gives us a pretty darn solid front court of Deni-PJ-Myles to go with our PG's. We could then draft a stud 2 guard next year and be good going forward.

Or Monk could emerge and we'd be good going forward. I love him. So does Kupchak!

MasterIchiro · Post #28 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:51 pm

James Gatz wrote:People are really over valuing Miles in this thread. There is no way Pacers would move Turner for Miles straight up. If we wanted Turner the deal would revolve around #3. I don't think it makes sense for us to do that deal.

Also this is being talked about in the Wiseman thread but the bare minimum, and it's likely more, to move up to 1 would be 3, Bridges, and 32. Again I wouldn't do it but we should be aware of what our assets are actually worth.

Celtics are the other rumored suitor. They're offering pick 14 at best. The equivalent of 3 is Marcus Smart. I'm sure Pacers are asking the moon (3 or PJ from us, Smart from the Celtics) but let's not bid against ourselves. Miles Bridges would make a solid stretch 4 for them in Indiana. We'd need a solid second piece in the bid, no question.

Post #29 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:54 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:...The equivalent of 3 is Marcus Smart.

Wait - are you suggesting that Marcus Smart is worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft???

MasterIchiro · Post #30 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:56 pm

BigSlam wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:...The equivalent of 3 is Marcus Smart.

Wait - are you suggesting that Marcus Smart is worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft???

There's been debate on the trade board about whether Boston would even consider dealing him for pick 2.

Smart is worth a ton.

HornetJail · Post #31 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:09 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:...The equivalent of 3 is Marcus Smart.

Wait - are you suggesting that Marcus Smart is worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft???

There's been debate on the trade board about whether Boston would even consider dealing him for pick 2.

Smart is worth a ton.

they may value him like that, doesn't mean any other team does.

Soul Rebel · Post #32 » by **Soul Rebel** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:49 pm

I guess it comes down to fit with our core and coaching style.

Is Wiseman/OO + Bridges > Avdija/Edwards + Turner for the long haul?

I like Bridges a lot here, but of the young 3, he makes the most sense as trade bait given his better fit at the 4.

Chapelchilla · Post #33 » by **Chapelchilla** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:14 pm

I would also think that Miles has more sizzle and will sell more tickets then Myles. So, I wouldn't give up more then him. If that's not enough, OK. I guess we could include an expiring if they want it.

Teal25 · Post #34 » by **Teal25** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:34 pm

I just want a real rebuild. We will have so much cap space next season. Most teams actually had proper rebuilds and will be competing. We have so much leverage next season with all are cap space and most teams being in cap hell, plus a really good draft. We don’t need to mess that up chasing the 8th seed sweep.

316Hornets · Post #35 » by **316Hornets** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:58 pm

Teal25 wrote:I just want a real rebuild. We will have so much cap space next season. Most teams actually had proper rebuilds and will be competing. We have so much leverage next season with all are cap space and most teams being in cap hell, plus a really good draft. We don’t need to mess that up chasing the 8th seed sweep.

Couldn't agree more. When I even hear people mentioning trading the #3 for a veteran, it frustrates me a great deal. Haven't we suffered long enough shooting for an 8 seed? I look at Atlanta and hope that we can build a team in similar fashion. 2-3 bad years for a chance at a decade of relevancy is worth it to me.

The best trades we can make is taking on bad contracts for assets, not trading our assets for bad contracts...

Post #36 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:23 pm

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/12/this-hornets-rockets-trade-breaks-up-the-harden-westbrook-duo/2/

This idiot has us trading Devonte, Batum, Monk AND the #3 pick for Westbrick. :lol:

The Rockets will be counting their lucky stars if they can salary dump Westbrook without giving up any of their basically non existent assets.

His rationale? Hornets could never build a contender through the draft and being patient. They should be grateful for getting an 8th seed. Of course the Bucks and Nuggets must be a mirage. What a moron.

I love how it's the notion nationally to assume the Hornets will make dumb trades because they are the hornets.

Teal25 · Post #37 » by **Teal25** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:51 pm

316Hornets wrote:
Teal25 wrote:I just want a real rebuild. We will have so much cap space next season. Most teams actually had proper rebuilds and will be competing. We have so much leverage next season with all are cap space and most teams being in cap hell, plus a really good draft. We don’t need to mess that up chasing the 8th seed sweep.

Couldn't agree more. When I even hear people mentioning trading the #3 for a veteran, it frustrates me a great deal. Haven't we suffered long enough shooting for an 8 seed? I look at Atlanta and hope that we can build a team in similar fashion. 2-3 bad years for a chance at a decade of relevancy is worth it to me.

The best trades we can make is taking on bad contracts for assets, not trading our assets for bad contracts...

Atlanta, Denver, and Memphis, have all had a proper rebuild and look at them.

James Gatz · Post #38 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:53 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/12/this-hornets-rockets-trade-breaks-up-the-harden-westbrook-duo/2/

This idiot has us trading Devonte, Batum, Monk AND the #3 pick for Westbrick. The Rockets will be counting their lucky stars if they can salary dump Westbrook without giving up any of their basically non existent assets.

His rationale? Hornets could never build a contender through the draft and being patient. They should be grateful for getting an 8th seed. Of course the Bucks and Nuggets must be a mirage. What a moron.

I love how it's the notion nationally to assume the Hornets will make dumb trades because they are the hornets.

I mean we are about to draft Wiseman

MasterIchiro · Post #39 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:06 pm

James Gatz wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/12/this-hornets-rockets-trade-breaks-up-the-harden-westbrook-duo/2/

This idiot has us trading Devonte, Batum, Monk AND the #3 pick for Westbrick. The Rockets will be counting their lucky stars if they can salary dump Westbrook without giving up any of their basically non existent assets.

His rationale? Hornets could never build a contender through the draft and being patient. They should be grateful for getting an 8th seed. Of course the Bucks and Nuggets must be a mirage. What a moron.

I love how it's the notion nationally to assume the Hornets will make dumb trades because they are the hornets.

I mean we are about to draft Avdija

I agree.

Post #40 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:07 pm

James Gatz wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/12/this-hornets-rockets-trade-breaks-up-the-harden-westbrook-duo/2/

This idiot has us trading Devonte, Batum, Monk AND the #3 pick for Westbrick. The Rockets will be counting their lucky stars if they can salary dump Westbrook without giving up any of their basically non existent assets.

His rationale? Hornets could never build a contender through the draft and being patient. They should be grateful for getting an 8th seed. Of course the Bucks and Nuggets must be a mirage. What a moron.

I love how it's the notion nationally to assume the Hornets will make dumb trades because they are the hornets.

I mean we are about to draft Wiseman

Just because you (and in the minority) don't like a draft prospect doesn't mean it's definitely the wrong guy.

Also your comment has no real relevance to the post you quoted re: the validity of the proposed trade.