Pick # 27 Discussion

Snidely FC · Post #21 » by **Snidely FC** » Fri May 19, 2023 2:10 pm

interesting that both Givony (at #39) and Spinella (at #27) have Hornets drafting Sidy Cissoko Spinella says what he loves about Scoot's Ignite teammate Cissoko for the Hornets is his intensity, that Cissoko "really competes his ass off on the defensive end," and "wants to defend the other team's best player." Good handler playmaker for size.

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bravor · Post #22 » by **bravor** » Fri May 19, 2023 2:20 pm

He's way shorter than Eason, more of a combo guard. Used to play in Vitoria (one powerhouse in Spain) in their development team but he remains a very streaky shooter (he was developed as a pg but groew up a bit), especially from deep. His midrange is also a work in progress and his offense is really not his best asset, except in transition.
I used to hope he could become some G. Hill prototype, but i am wondering if he will be able to become consistent with his shoot. The defensive efforts have always been there, esp. in 1/1, but he has also some things to improve in terms of help defense and dirty work.
He was also subject to some charges here, as his dribble is not that safe (or was?). As much as i wish him to succeed, i think there are better options there.

If there was a choice between him and Coulibaly (as long as he remains in the draft), my choice would be coulibaly in a blink (esp for the off the ball moves and activity, iq basket and potential), even though he has not a mature body unlike Cissoko.

The last defensive 2/3 we have in the draft is Rupert and he could be a good mix of both. But among the 3, i would say Coulibaly is probably the sure thing.

Walsh seems to be special though.

wilson115 · Post #23 » by **wilson115** » Sat May 20, 2023 1:47 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:I like Julian Strawther out of Gonzaga. 6'7 wing with a quick release. Shot 80/196 (.408) from three this season and plays defense

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It says someone might have given him a promise already. Measured well (6'6" w.o. shoes).

https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/basketball/does-gonzagas-julian-strawther-have-an-nba-draft-promise-from-a-team

JMAC3 · Post #24 » by **JMAC3** » Sat May 20, 2023 2:11 pm

One things is for sure, our summer league team should be fun this year with so many picks in the draft and how young our backend of roster is. Kai, Thor, Bryce and Bouk better be improving this summer because those guys are gunning for their job.

LofJ · Post #25 » by **LofJ** » Sun May 21, 2023 3:53 pm

Assuming the hypothetical that we draft Scoot at 2 and Mitch is able to pull off a trade up into the late teens; who do you guys like as a target?

bravor · Post #26 » by **bravor** » Sun May 21, 2023 6:20 pm

A dream scenario could be Henderson + AB if he was to slide in such an hypothesis but i 'd pick wing bpa (with real defense upside not some imaginary potential on that end).

As long as he picks Walsh (who will be most likely in the late 1st early second range), i am good. Need a defensive dog with potential (even if he does not reach his iguodala ceiling) at the wing, one that can cover big wings.

LofJ · Post #27 » by **LofJ** » Mon May 22, 2023 12:47 am

bravor wrote:A dream scenario could be Henderson + AB if he was to slide in such an hypothesis but i 'd pick wing bpa (with real defense upside not some imaginary potential on that end).

As long as he picks Walsh (who will be most likely in the late 1st early second range), i am good. Need a defensive dog with potential (even if he does not reach his iguodala ceiling) at the wing, one that can cover big wings.

Landing Anthony Black on top of Scoot would be a dream come true, but I don't think there's any realistic way that happens.

There are several other good wing defender prospects in this draft though. As you've said before Bilal Coulibaly is going to be a good one. He'd be the ideal draft and stash pick for this team. He could play in France for another year and and take Hayward's roster spot the season after this one.

Another guy I like for us is Julian Phillips. He's long and athletic (his combine testing was impressive) and he has good shooting touch. He's also a pretty physical player, he doesn't shy away from contact on either end. That's always a good sign if you're hoping a player will develop into a plus defender.

LofJ · Post #28 » by **LofJ** » Tue May 23, 2023 3:26 pm

Julian Phillips is an incredible athlete and doesn't need both feet to elevate. He also shot 82% from the line on ample volume. He's one of the biggest sleepers in this draft for sure.

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Post #29 » by **fatlever** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:07 pm

"Larry Jordan, Michael’s brother and the Vice President of personnel with Charlotte, is a big Bates fan and was in attendance when he scored 35 points this season in an overtime loss to Ball State in February."

On a separate note, this is several times this off-season I've read that we're interested in a player because we were in attendance during the game where they went off. The same has been said about Mitch being in attendance when Miller scored 41 points. That gives me the same kind of a Vibes as Michael Jordan watched the game where Malik monk scored 50 against the Tar Heels. Why would one game where one of our Scouts is in attendance really move the needle all that much versus the entire catalog of their games. Certainly we are attending more than one game. And certainly we are watching footage from a whole bunch of games good and bad.

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Snidely FC · Post #30 » by **Snidely FC** » Tue May 23, 2023 7:29 pm

fatlever wrote:"Larry Jordan, Michael’s brother and the Vice President of personnel with Charlotte, is a big Bates fan and was in attendance when he scored 35 points this season in an overtime loss to Ball State in February."

A discouraging reminder that while draft season is always a hopeful time for us fans, who invariably spend hours researching and discussing the merits of players who excite us, this franchise is ultimately run by the Fraternal Order of MJ, wherein the whims of Brother Larry supersede reason

Post #31 » by **fatlever** » Tue May 23, 2023 9:03 pm

like, why is Larry Jordan's opinion even relevant for scouting?

Post #32 » by **JDR720** » Tue May 23, 2023 9:05 pm

He has been the director of player personnel since the Bobcat days.

Another nepotism hiring by MJ.

amcoolio · Post #33 » by **amcoolio** » Tue May 23, 2023 11:23 pm

Bates wouldn't be bad with one of our picks. He's like Brandon Boston or Bol Bol....take the talent, you never know if you hit

SWedd523 · Post #34 » by **SWedd523** » Tue May 23, 2023 11:43 pm

fatlever wrote:like, why is Larry Jordan's opinion even relevant for scouting?

Re-read his last name

Bassman · Post #35 » by **Bassman** » Wed May 24, 2023 1:48 am

Yes…I have always gotten the sense that the Jordan’s (both) are lazy analysts, over investing emotional reaction to singular performances. Let’s hope they don’t screw up some of these later picks.

Speaking of #27, one of the best performers at the combine scrimmages is a big forward: TRISTAN VUKCEVIC. He showed a good feel for the game, a good deep ball stroke, etc. This per scouts via SI. The 6-11 220lb Serb could be the 4 we could use off the bench, perhaps more if he responds with more strength and expands his defensive skill. Looked at highlights, has a smooth sweet stroke from midrange to 3, decent handle, but underpowered around the rim. Probably better options there but intriguing.

Liver_Pooty · Post #36 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed May 24, 2023 3:07 am

amcoolio wrote:Bates wouldn't be bad with one of our picks. He's like Brandon Boston or Bol Bol....take the talent, you never know if you hit

Bates would be nice at 27.

JMAC3 · Post #37 » by **JMAC3** » Wed May 24, 2023 1:55 pm

Noah Clowney could be a solid pick. He is a hybrid 4/5 something that we don't have a ton of on this roster.

LofJ · Post #38 » by **LofJ** » Wed May 24, 2023 2:19 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Bates wouldn't be bad with one of our picks. He's like Brandon Boston or Bol Bol....take the talent, you never know if you hit

Bates would be nice at 27.

I might have to take a break from this team if we draft two 6'9 shooters where one delivered a gun used in a murder and the other had felony charges where he tried to scratch off the serial number to the gun he was carrying.

Give Bates a chance in the 2nd, but I don't think he's mature enough to get guaranteed money.

BeesWax · Post #39 » by **BeesWax** » Wed May 24, 2023 2:54 pm

I would like to use this pick and something to try to move up for GG Jackson. I think the kid has some growing up to do but he looks like he could be a mid round steal.

Snidely FC · Post #40 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu May 25, 2023 12:27 pm

If the Hornets select Brandon Miller at #2, I think Amari Bailey could be a good idea late 1st/early 2nd. He was PG at Sierra Canyon with Bronny James, so seems super comfortable with spotlight (see interview below), someone I think Lamelo would be really comfortable with. Top 5 recruit year started slow due to foot injury (Oscar Tshiebwe stepped on him in early Kentucky game). Once Jaylen Clarke went out injured Bailey's game blossomed. He starred at the tournament and in the recent combine.

Lately, Bailey has looked a lot more like the top-five high school recruit he was billed as. He's averaging 17 points, 4.8 rebounds, and 3.6 assists on sparkling efficiency (67% true shooting percentage) over his last five games, including two excellent NCAA tournament showings last weekend. He's playing with much more confidence, showing his excellent ball-handling ability, shiftiness changing speeds and getting in the paint, ability to pass off a live dribble and improved defense.

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