Picks 33 and 34 Prospect Discussion

[Bassman]

I’d love to get Alex Condon with one of our 2nds but fear he will be gone by then. Would love to trade our 34th and a future #2 pick to get 31. Somebody really good is going to be there at the top of the second round and we need first dibs.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I’d love to get Alex Condon with one of our 2nds but fear he will be gone by then. Would love to trade our 34th and a future #2 pick to get 31. Somebody really good is going to be there at the top of the second round and we need first dibs.

That would not be great value. That kind of package should be moving you into the late first round where you get more contract control over a prospect.

I could see a team like Phoenix that needs to replenish their assets and depth swapping 29 for that package.

[Bassman]

I’d love to get Alex Condon with one of our 2nds but fear he will be gone by then. Would love to trade our 34th and a future #2 pick to get 31. Somebody really good is going to be there at the top of the second round and we need first dibs.

That would not be great value. That kind of package should be moving you into the late first round where you get more contract control over a prospect.

I could see a team like Phoenix that needs to replenish their assets and depth swapping 29 for that package.

Sounds good to me!

[JMAC3]

Looking at some of the guys that have come out of Australian NBL league over the years, not sure I am really all that excited for any of those guys in this draft. Toohey and Rocco are probably guys I would rather some other team to take a chance on at this point.

List of guys drafted out of NBL recently
Alex Sarr
A.J. Johnson
Bobi Klintman
Ryan Rupert
Ousmane Dieng
Luke Travers
Hugo Besson
Josh Giddey
LaMelo Ball
RJ Hampton
Terrence Ferguson
Dante Exum
Majok Majok

There are a few more that went to college and never played in NBL, but NBL doesn't seem like a league that has led to a ton of success in NBA thus far.

[GiggitySmalls]

Philon would be a nice pick up in the 2nd if hes available. Back to back picks ok him and condon would be extremely solid!

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[Snidely FC]

I like Sion James and Eric Dixon as 2nd round blokes ready to ball out on day one

[MPM]

Think JMAC mentioned Kalkbrenner and Thiero. Both of those guys would be in our rotation day one. If Thiero develops a shot, he's diet coke OG, and Kalkbrenner would easily slot in for 10 mins per game as a shot blocking, occasional 3-point shooting 5.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/ryan-kalkbrenner-still-here-for-a

[EmpireFalls]

I like Sion James and Eric Dixon as 2nd round blokes ready to ball out on day one

Awful value at 33/34

[GiggitySmalls]

I like Sion James and Eric Dixon as 2nd round blokes ready to ball out on day one

Awful value at 33/34

Yeah they are 50ish level or undrafted type talent

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[JMAC3]

If you want to follow the OKC roster trend as Fats mentioned before here are the types of players that OKC likes.

Ajay Mitchell 6-3.25 barefoot 197 lbs, 6-6.25 wingspan *200 lbs now
Aaron Wiggins 6-4.5 barefoot 190 lbs 6-9.75 wingspan *200 lbs now
Shai Gilly Alex 6-4.5 barefoot180 lbs 6-11.5 wingspan *200 lbs now
Nikola Topic 6-6 barefoot 203 lbs 6-5.5 wingspan
Cason Wallace 6-2.5 barefoot 195 lbs 6-8.5 wingspan *205 lbs now
Kenrich Williams 6-6 barefoot 200 lbs with 6-7.25 wingspan *210 lbs now
Jalen Williams 6-4.5 barefoot 209 lbs with 7-2.25 wingpspan *220 lbs now
Luguentz Dort 6-2.75 barefoot 222 lbs with 6-8.5 wingspan
Dillon Jones 6-4.5 barefoot 237lbs with 6-11 wingspan

[JMAC3]

If you want to follow the OKC roster trend as Fats mentioned before here are the types of players that OKC likes.

Ajay Mitchell 6-3.25 barefoot 197 lbs, 6-6.25 wingspan *200 lbs now
Aaron Wiggins 6-4.5 barefoot 190 lbs 6-9.75 wingspan *200 lbs now
Shai Gilly Alex 6-4.5 barefoot180 lbs 6-11.5 wingspan *200 lbs now
Nikola Topic 6-6 barefoot 203 lbs 6-5.5 wingspan
Cason Wallace 6-2.5 barefoot 195 lbs 6-8.5 wingspan *205 lbs now
Kenrich Williams 6-6 barefoot 200 lbs with 6-7.25 wingspan *210 lbs now
Jalen Williams 6-4.5 barefoot 209 lbs with 7-2.25 wingpspan *220 lbs now
Luguentz Dort 6-2.75 barefoot 222 lbs with 6-8.5 wingspan
Dillon Jones 6-4.5 barefoot 237lbs with 6-11 wingspan

Compare this to Charlotte
Tre Mann 6-3.25 barefoot 178 lbs wit 6-4 wingspan
Damion Baugh 6-3.25 with 195 lbs with 6-8 wingspan *no combine official*
LaMelo Ball 6-5.5 barefoot 180 lbs with 6-10 wingspan *no combine official*
Nick Smith Jr. 6-2 barefoot 185 lbs with 6-8 wingspan *no combine official*
Seth Curry 6-1 barefoot185 lbs with 6-4 wingspan
KJ Simpson 6-0.25 barefoot 187 lbs with 6-4.5 wingspan
Josh Green 6-4.5 barefoot 214 lbs with 6-9.75 wingspan
Brandon Miller 6-8.5 barefoot 201 lbs with 6-11 wingspan *no combine official*
Tidjane Salaun 6-8.75 barefoot 217 lbs with 7-1.5 wingspan
Miles Bridges 6-5.25 barefoot 225 lbs with 6-9.5 wingpan
Josh Okogie 6-3 barefoot 213 lbs with 7 foot wingspan
DaQuan Jeffries 6-4 barefoot 215 lbs with 6-11.25 wingspan *230 lbs now
Grant Williams 6-5.75 barefoot 236 lbs with 6-9.75 wingspan
Wendell Moore Jr 6-4.25 barefoot 217 lbs with 7-0.5 wingspan
Isaiah Wong 6-2.5 barefoot 178 lbs with 6-6.75 wingspan
Jared Rhoden 6-4 barefoot 200 lbs with 6-11 wingspan
Moussa Diabate 6-9.25 barefoot 216 lbs with 7-2.5 wingspan

The guys in purple are guys Peterson has brought in.. you could argue 8/10 fit more the OKC model of closer to 200 lbs+ with plus wingspan and OKC-ish height. KJ is really the only outlier in this group. Wong was lighter but had a plus wingspan.

Miles, Grant, Miller and LaMelo seem like pretty good fits. Melo measurements are pretty close to young SGA measurements*

Whereas Nick Smith, Tre Mann, Curry are all on shorter, lighter side with not as great length.

[HornetJail]

the enormous difference here is that out of the 10 purple dudes, all 10 of them are absolutely terrible offensive players (and only a few of them defended ok too).

Peterson may have a physical archetype he likes but he sure isn't looking at any real basketball ability. I'm expecting my call any day now with my own +7 wingspan

[JMAC3]

If you want to follow the OKC roster trend as Fats mentioned before here are the types of players that OKC likes.

Ajay Mitchell 6-3.25 barefoot 197 lbs, 6-6.25 wingspan *200 lbs now
Aaron Wiggins 6-4.5 barefoot 190 lbs 6-9.75 wingspan *200 lbs now
Shai Gilly Alex 6-4.5 barefoot180 lbs 6-11.5 wingspan *200 lbs now
Nikola Topic 6-5.75 barefoot 203 lbs 6-5.5 wingspan
Cason Wallace 6-2.5 barefoot 195 lbs 6-8.5 wingspan *205 lbs now
Kenrich Williams 6-6 barefoot 200 lbs with 6-7.25 wingspan *210 lbs now
Jalen Williams 6-4.5 barefoot 209 lbs with 7-2.25 wingpspan *220 lbs now
Luguentz Dort 6-2.75 barefoot 222 lbs with 6-8.5 wingspan
Dillon Jones 6-4.5 barefoot 237lbs with 6-11 wingspan

Guys in this draft class that meet these guidelines of 200+ with 4-5+ inch wingspan gap or better

Cedric Coward 6' 5.25 barefoot 213lbs with 7- 2.25'' wingspan
Adou Thiero 6' 6.25' barefoot 218 lbs with 7-0'' wingspan
Jamir Watkins 6' 5.00 barefoot 215 lbs with 6- 11.25'' wingspan
Brice Williams 6' 5.25 barefoot 206 lbs with 6-10.75 wingspan
Chaz Lanier 6' 3.75 barefoot 206lbs with 6-9 wingspan
RJ Luis Jr. 6' 5.75 barefoot 210lbs with 6-10.5 wingspan
Drake Powell 6' 5.25'' barefoot 200 lbs with 7-0 wingspan
John Tonje 6' 4.75 barefoot 212 lbs with 6-9 wingspan
Jalon Moore 6' 6.25 barefoot 203 lbs with 6-10.25 wingspan
Alex Toohey 6' 7.75' barefoot 223 lbs with 6' 10.75 wingspan
Nique Clifford 6' 5.25'' barefoot 202 lbs with 6-8 wingspan
Otega Oweh 6' 4.25 barefoot 212.6lbs with 6- 8.50''wingspan
Sion James 6' 4.50 barefoot 217 lbs with 6- 6.50'' wingspan

Guys that are too light (under 185lbs club) - Pettiford, Fland, Philon, Nembhard, Jase, Fears, Sallis, Byrd, Proctor, Sears, Will Riley.

#4 options
Tre Johnson 6-4.75 barefoot 190 lbs with 6-10.25 wingspan
Kasparas Jakucionis 6' 4.75 barefoot 205lbs with 6' 7.75 wingspan
VJ Edgecombe 6-4 barefoot 193 lbs with 6-7.5 wingspan
Jeremiah Fears 6-2.5 barefoot 180 lbs with 6-5.25 wingspan
Kon Kneuppel 6-5 barefoot 219 lbs with 6-6.25 wingspan

[JMAC3]

Shooting Aspects of OKC guys - avg 35.6% from 3 and 79.4% from FT and 1.75 Stocks

Ajay Mitchell 39% from 3/86% from FT-- 1.1 steals and 0.3 blocks/ 1.4 Stocks
Aaron Wiggins 35% from 3/77% from FT --0.9 steals and 0.4 blocks / 1.3 Stocks
Shai Gilly Alex 40% from 3/82% from FT-- 1.6 steals and 0.5 blocks / 2.1 Stocks
Nikola Topic 31% from 3/88% from FT -- 1.0 steals and 0.2 blocks / 1.2 Stocks
Cason Wallace 34.6% from 3/76% from FT -- 2 steals and 0.5 blocks / 2.5 Stocks
Kenrich Williams 39% from 3/69% from FT -- 1.4 steals and 0.7 blocks/ 2.1 Stocks
Jalen Williams 39% from 3/81% from FT -- 1.2 steals and 0.5 blocks / 1.7 Stocks
Luguentz Dort 31% from 3/70% from FT -- 1.5 steals and 0.2 blocks / 1.7 Stocks
Dillon Jones 32% from 3/86% from FT -- 1.7 steals and 0.1 blocks / 1.8 Stocks

Shooting of guys that matched the Size, along with Shooting using OKC model.

Cedric Coward 39% from 3/84% from FT 0.9 steals and 0.8 blocks / 1.7 Stocks
Adou Thiero 28% from 3/69% from FT 1.6 steals and 0.7 blocks / 2.3 Stocks
Jamir Watkins 32% from 3/75% from FT 1.3 steals and 0.6 blocks / 1.9 Stocks
Brice Williams 37% from 3/88% from FT 0.8 and 0.4 blocks / 1.2 Stocks
Chaz Lanier 40% from 3/82% from FT 0.7 steals and 0.2 blocks / 0.9 Stocks
RJ Luis Jr. 33% from 3/75% from FT 1.4 steals and 0.4 blocks / 1.8 Stocks
Drake Powell 39% from 3/65% from FT 0.7steals and 0.7 blocks / 1.4 Stocks
John Tonje 39% from 3/91% from FT 0.5 steals and 0.2 blocks / 0.7 Stocks
Jalon Moore 38% from 3/84% from FT 0.6 steals and 0.8 blocks / 1.4 Stocks
Alex Toohey 34% from 3/74% from FT 1.4 steals and 0.8 blocks / 2.2 Stocks
Nique Clifford 38% from 3/77% from FT 1.2 steals and 0.6 blocks / 1.8 Stocks
Otega Oweh 35.5% from 3/77% from FT 1.4 steals and 0.4 blocks / 1.8 Stocks
Sion James 41% from 3/81% from FT 1.4 steals and 0.5 blocks / 1.9 Stocks

Guys Bolded met avg 35.6% from 3 and 79.4% from FT

Sion James and Cedric Coward are two most well rounded OKC players.

Lanier and Tonje shooting was great, but they failed to meet even 1.0 Stocks- which is lower than any OKC player.

but again all 13 of these guys were measurements darlings and you can make the case they all fit OKC model.

Also note: most International guys not included here because they don't have official combine measurements such as Penda, Essengue, Saraf and Hugo

[JMAC3]

I know this is getting incredibly long, but I feel like this is a solid study. Overall, here is how I would rank the 13 guys that I deemed OKC- esq.

1. Cedric Coward- Great shooting, good athlete, good stocks
2. Nique Clifford- Good shooting, mid athlete, good stocks
3. Sion James- Great shooting, great athlete, great stocks
4. Adou Thiero - Poor shooting, good athlete, Elite stocks
5.Chaz Lanier- Great shooting, Great athlete, terrible stocks
6. Drake Powell - iffy shooting, great athlete, good stocks

7.Jamir Watkins - Bad shooting, Mid athlete, good stocks
8. Jalon Moore- Good shooting, mid athlete, solid stocks
9.Otega Oweh - okay shooting, mid athlete, good stocks
10. Brice Williams - Great shooting, poor athlete, mid stocks
11. RJ Luis Jr.- poor shooting, mid athlete, good stocks
12. John Tonje- Great shooting, poor athlete, poor Stocks
13. Alex Toohey - poor shooting, poor athlete, great stocks

[fatlever]

Good stuff

I think the Hornets are pretty well positioned to go one of two ways with their roster building to emulate these two small market teams that we're seeing have a ton of success both right now and set up for prolonged success.

We have our franchise player in melo - Definitely not on sgas level and arguably on the same level as Halliburton just never healthy. But that's for another day.

both OKC and Indiana have built very deep teams, which in this day and age with the never ending amount of injuries players are suffering, is almost a must have going forward. both teams play at a very high fast pace to take advantage of their youth and elite point guards - Something that this team has not done the past three years which is either due to bad coaching or injuries. Jury is still out on that one.

Beyond those similarities OKC and Indiana have taken slightly different paths to building their roster. the Thunder have compiled a roster full of incredibly athletic, very switchable quick, aggressive defensive guards and wings anchored by two thin yet very mobile centers. The Pacers on the other hand have created a roster that thrives on motion, ball movement and high percentage shot making.

I think the Hornets are in the early stages of rebuilding this roster and should emulate one or both of these teams. I would much rather we copy these two directions rather than trying to cram the Boston Blueprint of spamming three pointers. But I suspect the way Peterson and Lee talk about Hornets dna and Lee seems to be more of a defensive first coach that we would probably lean towards emulating the Thunder rather than the Pacers.

obviously it would be great to have the best of both worlds but it's hard enough to find players that are good at one of these styles of play let alone two. If it were up to me I would rather see us model the Pacers since I love watching motion offense and ball movement and high IQ passing. But I'll gladly take the Uber aggressive thunder style defense and fast pace over what we've watched the past three years.

No matter what we do I just want us to stay with one direction long enough to see some results rather than the snip snap snip snap bipolar approach that we've had for the past 15 years. I want the Hornets to pick the players that fit what they're trying to build and fit the style the coach wants to implement. Even if that means potentially passing over someone regarded as BPA or reaching for some one slightly higher than they are projected. Just make sure you don't miss on the 4th pick... But for these two early 2nd round picks most definitely don't just go for the highest player on your board. The guys that fit the roster you want to build and the culture you're trying to achieve. . To stick to your guns

[Chapelchilla]

We need some grit and grind. Strong and mean. At least one of these picks needs to be tough guy who plays stout D.

[JMAC3]

Lanier 6-4, 6-10 wingspan, 206 lbs, 39 inch vertical, great athletic testing across the board and shot over 40% from three on 8 attempts per game over last 2 years.

[LofJ]

Looks like the team has started draft workouts.

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