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2025 General Draft Discussion 2

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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#21 » by Bassman » Sat May 24, 2025 1:04 pm

Like many here, as long as one of Ace, VJ or even Tre is selected I will be happy. If any of them fail as a player who could blame the Hornets for their choice? Unlike last year’s disaster.

In a deep draft, I have no doubt there will be picks made further back who turn out to be studs. People will say “how did he fall that far back in the draft?” It’s impossible to predict which of these player will hit the value jackpot, but some astute GM will find him.

Take a guy like Carter Bryant. Has lots of skills, really good defender, but didn’t get major minutes on his own team. Will he explode into a great player? Certainly has some potential, but not worth taking until later lottery. Some really like CMB despite his smallish height (but big wingspan) but scouts say he has limited upside. And then there’s Knipples, who is teetering on the 7th pick area. He is perhaps the greatest temptation to GM’s like Peterson.

I love to read comments from NBA scouts and assistant coaches. HoopsHype updated their mock today, and they have a key comment for each player. Kon is one who should be considered a player who may surprise. Based on those comments the “wild cards” picks with most surprise upside potential are Jaku and Demin.

Comments on Kon:
An assistant coach told HoopsHype: “He’s not as good defensively or as big as De’Andre Hunter, but I think he’s a better shooting version of him. Knueppel really impressed me during the Kansas game. He stepped up impressively, especially when he helped beat Cooper Flagg’s team. He showcased surprising ability, particularly in his ability to create his own shot. He’s much better off the dribble than people give him credit for. And obviously, you’re getting a lights-out shooter, but he’s more than just that. I think he’ll be better than great. Both he and Gradey Dick have similar body types; he’s not as skinny as Gradey but they’re comparable. Both are decent college scorers, but I have more faith in Knueppel’s ability to translate that to the next level. I think he contributes more than Gradey does in other aspects of the game. He’s a little thicker than Gradey, which helps him defensively. Grady was a really good rebounder, but as pros, being a good rebounder doesn’t always fall on your shoulders.”


Comments on Jaku:
An assistant coach told HoopsHype: “Kasparas is the real deal. This is another classic example of a combo point guard. Look, Tyrese Haliburton is still who I love to compare him to. The difference between Kasparas and Jeremiah is that I have fewer doubts about Kasparas’s playmaking ability at the professional level. He gets to the line pretty well; maybe that’s just because he’s a big point guard going up against smaller defenders in college, but I’m a big fan of his. Plus, he comes from Lithuania, which adds another layer to his skill set. It wouldn’t shock me if he ends up being the best out of the three guards after Harper.”


Comments on Demin:
A pro scout told HoopsHype: “Demin’s a wild card. If he falls past the top 10, someone’s getting a steal. He’s a 6-foot-10 passer with Josh Giddey vibes—maybe even a better athlete, though Giddey’s thicker. The shot’s the question: 28% from three in Europe, but he took them, which matters. If he’s willing to fire the three in the NBA, he’s intriguing. If not, he’s just a tall playmaker. His floor? Giddey on the Thunder – a point-forward who gets hidden defensively. His ceiling? A shooting Giddey, which is a real weapon.”


So if Peterson wants a good project, trade a player and a future dud pick (like the Dallas one that soon has poor value) to get into the later lottery and grab either of those guys. Otherwise play this draft smart and take one of Ace, VJ or Tre.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#22 » by MPM » Sat May 24, 2025 1:09 pm

It seems we're all of one mind here - don't get cute, Jeff.

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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#23 » by JustBuzzin » Sat May 24, 2025 1:31 pm

Demin would be a nice trade back option, but we would have to get a significant starting level player back.

Demin is one of the best passers in this entire draft. He fits what we need a secondary playmaker, but his strength is just not where it needs to be for a guy of his size.
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Post#24 » by GoBobs » Sat May 24, 2025 1:55 pm

I'm just starting to feel like it is going to be somebody out of left field like Maluach.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#25 » by JustBuzzin » Sat May 24, 2025 2:12 pm

GoBobs wrote:I'm just starting to feel like it is going to be somebody out of left field like Maluach.

I wouldn't hate that as long as we get a starter back to replace Mark.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#26 » by Bassman » Sat May 24, 2025 2:20 pm

Yeah my conjecture around trading a player and future pick for the 10th or 11th pick is not a likely outcome. But we REALLY need to trade one of our seconds and a future first (Dallas or worst projected pick) for a mid to later first round pick. We may get one decent player in early round 2 but not betting on both being keepers. Mocks have us drafting Thiero and Pettiford there. Eh…OK I suppose, but how much upside do they have verses guys already here battling to stay on the team like NSJ?

Difference making rotational level players will still be available in the mid/late mid range…guys who in future weaker drafts could be worthy of lottery pick positioning. Prime place to trade for that pick is 18 to 23. Currently mocked in that range (in order from 18 to 23) are McNeeley, Clifford, Sorber, Wolf, Riley and Fleming. My favs of those players for the Hornets: Fleming, Sorber and Riley.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#27 » by GoBobs » Sun May 25, 2025 3:32 am

Bassman wrote:Yeah my conjecture around trading a player and future pick for the 10th or 11th pick is not a likely outcome. But we REALLY need to trade one of our seconds and a future first (Dallas or worst projected pick) for a mid to later first round pick. We may get one decent player in early round 2 but not betting on both being keepers. Mocks have us drafting Thiero and Pettiford there. Eh…OK I suppose, but how much upside do they have verses guys already here battling to stay on the team like NSJ?

Difference making rotational level players will still be available in the mid/late mid range…guys who in future weaker drafts could be worthy of lottery pick positioning. Prime place to trade for that pick is 18 to 23. Currently mocked in that range (in order from 18 to 23) are McNeeley, Clifford, Sorber, Wolf, Riley and Fleming. My favs of those players for the Hornets: Fleming, Sorber and Riley.


I am with you on wanting Sorber. I also think Pettiford is going to be really good and would not be mad if we moved up to pick him. He will go in the first round.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#28 » by vexco » Sun May 25, 2025 3:41 am

Drafting Sorber or Coward would be nice but I doubt we can move up high enough get one.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#29 » by JMAC3 » Sun May 25, 2025 5:43 pm

Bassman wrote:Yeah my conjecture around trading a player and future pick for the 10th or 11th pick is not a likely outcome. But we REALLY need to trade one of our seconds and a future first (Dallas or worst projected pick) for a mid to later first round pick. We may get one decent player in early round 2 but not betting on both being keepers. Mocks have us drafting Thiero and Pettiford there. Eh…OK I suppose, but how much upside do they have verses guys already here battling to stay on the team like NSJ?

Difference making rotational level players will still be available in the mid/late mid range…guys who in future weaker drafts could be worthy of lottery pick positioning. Prime place to trade for that pick is 18 to 23. Currently mocked in that range (in order from 18 to 23) are McNeeley, Clifford, Sorber, Wolf, Riley and Fleming. My favs of those players for the Hornets: Fleming, Sorber and Riley.


You don't trust the Hornets made a good pick at 6 last year, you don't trust them at #4 but you trust they will make a good selection with the #20 pick in the draft?
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#30 » by fatlever » Sun May 25, 2025 5:58 pm

been enjoying the draft discourse on the sixers board. as you can imagine, its mostly ace debate. polarizing.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#31 » by Hornet Mania » Sun May 25, 2025 7:01 pm

I'm wondering how many young players they'll even keep on the roster. We have three picks in this draft, will we carry three rookies? Between those three and NSJ/Tiddy/Simpson that's potentially half the roster needing development time before we can rely on them as a rotation-level NBA player. Plus Miller and Grant Williams will still be hurt at the beginning of next season.

I wouldn't be surprised by a slight consolidation trade (bundle the 2nds for pick in the 20s) or moving one of the later picks for a culture-improving veteran. Right now the math doesn't add up with our young players, unless management is going full Process in 25/26.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#32 » by LofJ » Sun May 25, 2025 7:22 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:I'm wondering how many young players they'll even keep on the roster. We have three picks in this draft, will we carry three rookies? Between those three and NSJ/Tiddy/Simpson that's potentially half the roster needing development time before we can rely on them as a rotation-level NBA player. Plus Miller and Grant Williams still hurt to start next year.

I wouldn't be surprised by a slight consolidation trade (bundle the 2nds for pick in the 20s) or moving one of the later picks for a culture-improving veteran. Right now the math doesn't add up with our young players, unless management is going full Process in 25/26.


The team has the matching contracts and picks to trade for a decent veteran or two. I will be disappointed if a move isn't made to upgrade the frontcourt, at the 4 spot particularly.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#33 » by Braggins » Sun May 25, 2025 7:37 pm

I wouldn't mind them keeping all the picks, but I also wouldn't mind including one of the early 2nds in a consolidation trade. Its fine if the 2nd rounders need to spend a year in the GLeague imo.

I think my dream outcome would be VJ at #4, use on of the 2nds to trade up for Fleming, and use the other 2nd on MMMBop Yang.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#34 » by Bassman » Sun May 25, 2025 7:46 pm

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Bassman wrote:Yeah my conjecture around trading a player and future pick for the 10th or 11th pick is not a likely outcome. But we REALLY need to trade one of our seconds and a future first (Dallas or worst projected pick) for a mid to later first round pick. We may get one decent player in early round 2 but not betting on both being keepers. Mocks have us drafting Thiero and Pettiford there. Eh…OK I suppose, but how much upside do they have verses guys already here battling to stay on the team like NSJ?

Difference making rotational level players will still be available in the mid/late mid range…guys who in future weaker drafts could be worthy of lottery pick positioning. Prime place to trade for that pick is 18 to 23. Currently mocked in that range (in order from 18 to 23) are McNeeley, Clifford, Sorber, Wolf, Riley and Fleming. My favs of those players for the Hornets: Fleming, Sorber and Riley.


You don't trust the Hornets made a good pick at 6 last year, you don't trust them at #4 but you trust they will make a good selection with the #20 pick in the draft?


:lol: That’s a GOOD POINT! Actually I do kinda trust them at 4, as any selection made that doesn’t include one of Ace, VJ or Tre will be trashed league wide, and we can all conclude there is no hope for this regime. Therefore I don’t expect Jeff to get stupidly cute at 4. At 20? Yeah he can f#@% that up for sure. Better stay with our two seconds and start drinking hard ahead of round 2.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#35 » by driveandkick » Mon May 26, 2025 5:43 pm

I think I lean towards keeping all the picks, primarily because our lack of depth has just absolutely killed us for so long now. Getting an extra bite at the apple theoretically improves your chances of finding at least one good rotational player with those second round picks and we badly need bodies. But I also completely understand the argument for going up and getting “your guy” if you feel convicted in someone. I just have zero reason to believe in our franchises ability to identify any sort of good basketball players, so I guess I’m thinking with an extra pick maybe it increases our chance we stumble into a good player.

Someone laid out a convincing argument for Alex Condon. That’s the type of guy I really want to look for with our seconds. He’s a tough, smart player that played a significant role on a championship winning team. I’d be interested in getting him into our team even if it requires a move up. Really don’t care for a draft and stash in that range.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#36 » by fatlever » Mon May 26, 2025 8:47 pm

of the top half 1st round - who is rising? who is falling?

based on my feel-o-meter - rising this week? did i miss anyone?
demin
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#37 » by JustBuzzin » Mon May 26, 2025 8:50 pm

Something is telling me trade LaMelo and draft Demin to be our PG of the future.

I'm getting poor man's Luka vibes with this kid.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#38 » by GiggitySmalls » Tue May 27, 2025 2:05 am

JustBuzzin wrote:Something is telling me trade LaMelo and draft Demin to be our PG of the future.

I'm getting poor man's Luka vibes with this kid.
I'd do it. We would have to get more back but I really think we have to move on from Melo. If we do, which i dont think we will. We will be very bad. Next years top 3 is looking like Dybansta, Peterson, and Boozer. A stronger top 3 then this year's as the 2nd and 3rd players are better prospects then Harper or Bailey.

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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#39 » by JustBuzzin » Tue May 27, 2025 2:07 am

GiggitySmalls wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Something is telling me trade LaMelo and draft Demin to be our PG of the future.

I'm getting poor man's Luka vibes with this kid.
I'd do it. We would have to get more back but I really think we have to move on from Melo. If we do, which i dont think we will. We will be very bad. Next years top 3 is looking like Dybansta, Peterson, and Boozer. A stronger top 3 then this year's as the 2nd and 3rd players are better prospects then Harper or Bailey.

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It would be a bold move, but I like the idea of a bigger/smarter PG in Demin.

We would definitely have to get back a scorer tho for LaMelo.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#40 » by JMAC3 » Tue May 27, 2025 3:35 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
GiggitySmalls wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Something is telling me trade LaMelo and draft Demin to be our PG of the future.

I'm getting poor man's Luka vibes with this kid.
I'd do it. We would have to get more back but I really think we have to move on from Melo. If we do, which i dont think we will. We will be very bad. Next years top 3 is looking like Dybansta, Peterson, and Boozer. A stronger top 3 then this year's as the 2nd and 3rd players are better prospects then Harper or Bailey.

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It would be a bold move, but I like the idea of a bigger/smarter PG in Demin.

We would definitely have to get back a scorer tho for LaMelo.


Egor isn't really bigger than LaMelo though is the issue. He is maybe an inch taller but still just as weak physically without the lack of elite quickness LaMelo has.

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