2012 Trade Deadline Thread

JGib23 · Post #201 » by **JGib23** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:48 am

If we could turn Diaw into Morrow, Farmar, and a 1st that would be an incredible deal for us. Although, we take on 8 million in Salary next season, we aren't in position to attract anyone anyway.

Morrow could be the best shooter we've ever had and a perfect compliment to Hendo at SG.
Farmar would be a nice back up PG behind Kemba next year... Plus we get a pick?

Too good to be true but, that would put us in a great position to continue rebuilding in a smart fashion.

JGib23 · Post #202 » by **JGib23** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:57 am

FYI- I just looked up the protection on the pick Houston owes NJ and it's lottery protected through 2016 and turns into a 2nd rounder in 2017.... If we do anything we need to make sure we get to choose between NJ and Houstons draft slots in those years to ensure we get a first rounder.

No desire to take on 8 million for a 2017 2nd round pick.

Liver_Pooty · Post #203 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:24 am

Per Bonnell : Nets are willing to give up Farmar, Petro and Houstons 1st rounder for Diaw. How do you not do this? Farmar and Petro expire after next season anyway. Houstons pick is lottery protected until '17. But come on. Im sure the Rockets wont be in the lottery the next 5 years. Jump on it!

dmutombo321 · Post #204 » by **dmutombo321** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:12 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Per Bonnell : Nets are willing to give up Farmar, Petro and Houstons 1st rounder for Diaw. How do you not do this? Farmar and Petro expire after next season anyway. Houstons pick is lottery protected until '17. But come on. Im sure the Rockets wont be in the lottery the next 5 years. Jump on it!

I dunno. I guess it all depends on whether our FO intended to potentially make any young additions through FA this offseason (i.e. Wilson Chadler, etc) because it eats up a good chunk of our cap space for next year.

The deal basically equates to us buying that houston first rounder for $8 million (by way of undertaking Farmar and Petro's 12-13 salaries when we would otherwise have Diaw dropping off the books).

At best, the lotto-protected Houston pick is a selection in the mid-late teens a couple years from now. Worst case, Houston would flounder for 4 more years and we only get a second rounder to show for it, which would really blow.

Considering post lotto firsts around the #20 mark a routinely available for cash considerations each year for less than $ 8mil, I would hold out for Brooks' or Morrow's inclusion instead and attempt to move Augustin at the same time so we dont loose him for nothing. If they balk, I'd just walk away and let Diaw drop.

Brooks / Petro / Farmar
for
Diaw / DJA / Higgens works.

Liver_Pooty · Post #205 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:17 am

I don't see Wilson Chandler, or anyone signing with us in the offseason. Thats our problem. The trade also is a half decent one basketball wise if we were to in fact trade Augustin as it gives Walker a pretty decent backup.

dmutombo321 · Post #206 » by **dmutombo321** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:24 am

Yeah - I do like farmar. IMO he's very underrated as a PG and think he's a reasonable contract at $4.2 mil next year for what he brings to the table.

Chandler's a long shot. He's one of the few FA's I wouldnt mind them considering. Still under 25, addresses an area of need and is better than any SF we'll get in the draft. Odds are, Toronto will likely find a way to dump salary and bring him on board.

Liver_Pooty · Post #207 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:27 am

I dunno, maybe they are just waiting it out to see if the Nets will up their offer a little bit, but to me atleast it just makes too much sense. That 9 million dollars that expires Im assuming is going to be put towards players (or a player) next season anyway so why not get one of the better backup PGs in the league and a legit 7 footer while you're at it on top of a mid to late teen pick? I think its pretty good value for Diaw. Alot better than what I thought we would get offered.

NetSymptom · Post #208 » by **NetSymptom** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:27 am

Hey All! Nets fan here, just thought I'd chime in since you guys seem to be discussing the speculated Diaw to NJ trade.

- I doubt we are interested in moving Morrow, even with $4 million due next season. With DWill and Dwight (hopefully), the plan is to space the floor for the stars to work while Morrow gets open looks all game. He's really too valuable to our offense and spacing to be thrown in for a salary dump.

- As someone mentioned, we have enough space to sign Dwight outright without making any moves. This Diaw trade is for flexibility, and I think King is smart enough not to sacrifice any important assets just for salary purposes. If something like ATL looking to trade Josh Smith for Lopez (just an example), it's better to have the cap room and flexibility readily available rather than scrambling to get the right pieces in place.

- I don't think we want DJ Augustin back (I do, Texas Alum). We're looking to tank if a Dwight trade isn't made, no sense in adding a quality player at this point. It'd be better for both parties if you guys got some better assets for him, though I don't know how you guys or the league values him.

- Just saw Dmutombo's post --- We aren't trading Brooks to you guys...

- I posted this in another forum, wanted to know how this pertains to the charlotte bobcats-

Most likely. The only plausible scenario I can see is some team preparing cap room for next offseason, knowing that it is unlikely they will acquire anyone worth a large contract this offseason.

So if they were to have some expiring or team option player, we might be able to give them $3 million to cover Petro's salary so they can keep the salary and roster minimums and have the Petro salary coming off the books when their other contracts are as well.

jeff1624 · Post #209 » by **jeff1624** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:29 am

Sachmo wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:Do Nets even own a first rounder this year?

they have Houstons

They own their own pick as well.

dmutombo321 · Post #210 » by **dmutombo321** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:43 am

NetSymptom wrote:
- I posted this in another forum, wanted to know how this pertains to the charlotte bobcats-

Most likely. The only plausible scenario I can see is some team preparing cap room for next offseason, knowing that it is unlikely they will acquire anyone worth a large contract this offseason.

So if they were to have some expiring or team option player, we might be able to give them $3 million to cover Petro's salary so they can keep the salary and roster minimums and have the Petro salary coming off the books when their other contracts are as well.

This is probably you guys' best bet to clear off some additional money for next year. I doubt Charlotte would have any interest because we really dont need Petro eating up a roster spot next season, even if he is free. However, there might be a playoff team out there with an expiring or TPE in need of a big who would be happy to absorb Petro for next season if there was some cash being thrown in to offset his salary.

The problem Jersey faces in clearing out additional cap room for next season is that aside from Deron and Lopez, the center piece in a dwight S&T, the only valuable trade assets you have are Brooks, Humph and to a lesser extent Morrow.

NetSymptom · Post #211 » by **NetSymptom** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:47 am

dmutombo321 wrote:
NetSymptom wrote:
- I posted this in another forum, wanted to know how this pertains to the charlotte bobcats-

Most likely. The only plausible scenario I can see is some team preparing cap room for next offseason, knowing that it is unlikely they will acquire anyone worth a large contract this offseason.

So if they were to have some expiring or team option player, we might be able to give them $3 million to cover Petro's salary so they can keep the salary and roster minimums and have the Petro salary coming off the books when their other contracts are as well.

This is probably you guys' best bet to clear off some additional money for next year. I doubt Charlotte would have any interest because we really dont need Petro eating up a roster spot next season, even if he is free. However, there might be a playoff team out there with a TPE in need of a big who would be happy to absorb Petro for next season if there was some cash being thrown in to offset his salary.

The problem Jersey faces in clearing out additional cap room for next season is that aside from Deron and Lopez, the center piece in a dwight S&T, the only valuable trade assets you have are Brooks, Humph and to a lesser extent Morrow.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but having Petro on your team literally guarantees you an extra 10 losses in a season.

If you guys are gunning for another top lotto pick to continue the rebuild, adding the Nets Tank Commander would be in your best interest ping pong ball wise.

NetSymptom · Post #212 » by **NetSymptom** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:48 am

Problem for the Nets is a team can sign a player of Petro's capabilities for the league minimum.

dmutombo321 · Post #213 » by **dmutombo321** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:55 am

Despite Petro's impressive tank credentials, he would still remain second in command to our resident Grand Field Marshall of Ineptitude. When it comes to tanking, even Erwin Rommel bows to Gana Diop.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKHOMKqxYw[/youtube]

NetSymptom · Post #214 » by **NetSymptom** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:02 am

dmutombo321 wrote:Despite Petro's impressive tank credentials, he would still remain second in command to our resident Grand Field Marshall of Ineptitude.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKHOMKqxYw[/youtube]

When it comes to tanking, even Erwin Rommel defers to Diop

I literally am speechless... I feel for you Bobcats fans, I really do.

With Petro AND Diop you guys might be bad enough to win a 1st RD pick for that year plus the following year.

bobcats3wallace · Post #215 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:11 am

Diaw for Farmar, Petro, and HOU 1st is a steal! That is a great trade for the Bobcats. I know some will hold their heads low because of the salaries were adding, but it's one more year. Worst case, if we REALLY feel the need to use that space (which we really shouldn't) we can amnesty Tyrus and have nearly all of it back. Farmar is a productive player that would be a good guy to play behind Kemba. He could even play in front of Kemba until he learns the position. Petro is a capable 7 footer who is not on a terrible deal. Both become easily trade able assets next year should we go that route. The first rounder is just extra, IMO.

You have to look at this trade for more than the pick. In this trade we would actually be adding talent in the players involved. I would even be happy with Diaw for Farmar/Petro straight up. This is a very smart move as Diaw is worse than useless right now. Has Cho's finger prints all over it! Hope he can leverage them for more. I haven't seen any 9 million expiring contracts being dangled out there for them to take advantage of outside of us.

captaincrunk · Post #216 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:26 am

NetSymptom wrote:Hey All! Nets fan here, just thought I'd chime in since you guys seem to be discussing the speculated Diaw to NJ trade.

- I doubt we are interested in moving Morrow, even with $4 million due next season. With DWill and Dwight (hopefully), the plan is to space the floor for the stars to work while Morrow gets open looks all game. He's really too valuable to our offense and spacing to be thrown in for a salary dump.

I've been saying that Morrow is positive value for a while. I don't get why these guys don't agree with me.

- As someone mentioned, we have enough space to sign Dwight outright without making any moves. This Diaw trade is for flexibility, and I think King is smart enough not to sacrifice any important assets just for salary purposes. If something like ATL looking to trade Josh Smith for Lopez (just an example), it's better to have the cap room and flexibility readily available rather than scrambling to get the right pieces in place.

NetSymptom wrote:- I don't think we want DJ Augustin back (I do, Texas Alum). We're looking to tank if a Dwight trade isn't made, no sense in adding a quality player at this point. It'd be better for both parties if you guys got some better assets for him, though I don't know how you guys or the league values him.

Do you have your own draft picks for the next few years?

NetSymptom wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:Despite Petro's impressive tank credentials, he would still remain second in command to our resident Grand Field Marshall of Ineptitude.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKHOMKqxYw[/youtube]

When it comes to tanking, even Erwin Rommel defers to Diop

I literally am speechless... I feel for you Bobcats fans, I really do.

With Petro AND Diop you guys might be bad enough to win a 1st RD pick for that year plus the following year.

Luckily they both expire before then XD

NetSymptom · Post #217 » by **NetSymptom** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:32 am

@ CaptainCrunk

didn't want to quote since it would probably look like a big mess...

Yes, the Nets have their own picks for the forseeable future (as far as I know). We traded our 2011 pick to the Jazz, the other pick included was the top-8 protected golden state warrior pick for this upcoming draft.

Other than that, we haven't made any moves that cost us future picks.

captaincrunk · Post #218 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:39 am

NetSymptom wrote:@ CaptainCrunk

didn't want to quote since it would probably look like a big mess...

Yes, the Nets have their own picks for the forseeable future (as far as I know). We traded our 2011 pick to the Jazz, the other pick included was the top-8 protected golden state warrior pick for this upcoming draft.

Other than that, we haven't made any moves that cost us future picks.

Word. Then you guys killed it getting Deron. I guess that's the risk you take on a short contract like that though.

Eoghan · Post #219 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:45 am

Are seriously going gaga over Farmar and Petro? :dontknow:

I'd rather keep Diaw and use the cap space unless there was a lotto pick thrown in.

captaincrunk · Post #220 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:20 am

BrotherDave wrote:Are seriously going gaga over Farmar and Petro?

I'd rather keep Diaw and use the cap space unless there was a lotto pick thrown in.

Haha so true, so true. We'd be helping them out since neither are in their plans long term. Farmer's contract isn't too overpaid but it's still a waste for a rebuilding team.