1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

KembaWalker · Post #201 » by **KembaWalker** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:45 am

I think Drummond would go great if we got Sloan because I think he could handle him and put him in the best situations for him. I think a young assistant with that kinda pressure could get overwhelmed

NataFresh · Post #202 » by **NataFresh** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:47 am

SWedd523 wrote:
NataFresh wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:What a terrible way to make an argument. Go look up Westbrook's college stats compared to Augustin's

I'm comparing two dudes with similar builds, who have played in similar offenses.....that's not comparing a Ben Howland offense to a Rick Barnes offense.....especially when Westbrook dwarves DJ

Okay, compare MJ and Vince.

Having similar builds and playing in similar offenses does not mean you'll have the same nba career

No, but it's a decent indicator of what to expect....for Vince being a mental midget..he was a top 5-10 SG for a long while

Eoghan · Post #203 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:47 am

Badd_Intentions wrote:
StitchJones wrote:I still really like Thomas Robinson. He's a legit 6-9, has good footwork, and good mid range jumpshot and good attitude. I draft him and then try to get that #10 or 11 pick from NO/Portland for DJA or Hendo with Mullens. Adding Robinson and Lamb in this draft would be a nice move for this organization.

is he legit 6'9''?? I haven't seen any official measurements yet

Yeah, I have a feeling he'll be 6'8" but that's not a big deal to me. Maybe him and Biz can be our new LJ and Zo. (not that serious).

Robinson reminds me of Horford, I wouldn't hate that pick.

vorbis wrote:i feel like i might as well get used to the idea of MKG as a bobcat. he seems like a player MJ will fall hard for.

Hopefully it's more Cho's decision than MJ's, though I could see MJ accepting the challenge of trying a Kwame redo with Drummond as well.

TheKingofSting · Post #204 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:49 am

KembaWalker wrote:I think Drummond would go great if we got Sloan because I think he could handle him and put him in the best situations for him. I think a young assistant with that kinda pressure could get overwhelmed

Agreed

JMAC3 · Post #205 » by **JMAC3** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:53 am

Okay I think I am officially caught up.....

We didnt get Davis, so let the debate begin...

I think at the number 2 pick we have all the power in a trade down.... If a team likes a guy in the middle of this 5 player scrum then they are forced to deal with us...

We obviously can look to keep the pick and decide between Drummond, Beal, Robinson, and MKG.....

At this point they are all equal in my mind... All have weaknesses... and none are perfect fits for us...whether it be lack of size,motor, or shot making....

Then we have the option of trading down with Portland and landing the 6th and 11th pick.... I think this is pretty solid value for both teams... Portland lands Drummond most likely at the 2nd pick to go with Aldridge down low... Batum and Matthews at the wings and then they just need to add a point...

For us we have the most holes of any team in the league it makes sense..... We are not set at any position except for maybe Point Guard....We could upgrade at any position most likely with the 6th pick....

Here the combos I like if that deal goes down...

Assuming the top 5 go as many think...

Davis...Drummond...Beal...MKG...Robinson..

There is always hope one of them fall to us somehow at 6 and I feel we lose absolutely nothing...

but anyways back to the combos...

COMBO #1
6. Harrison Barnes 11. Arnett Moultrie

Barnes adds outside shooting and plays the three longterm becomes solid 2nd or 3rd option....

Moultrie adds rebounding, size, midrange, and almost the perfect with Biz at 6'11'' and countering his weaknesses...

COMBO #2

6. Barnes 11. Rivers or Waiters

Rivers and Waiters both are solid combo guard prospects... Each could come off the bench and be a go to scorer.. I think they are both true scorers and have superstar potential... which would be a nice addition to the steady barnes....

HasheemThabeet · Post #206 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:54 am

BrotherDave wrote:Bigmen are very dependent on guards. Lamb basically tried too hard sell his NBA stock all year by attempting difficult isos and Napier and Boatwright just plain chucked. You don't need a whole lot of post moves to score well as a College big. Robinson and Davis both have just a hook and a spin move and that's about it. I don't know what games you were watching but Drummond is silky smooth on the offensive end, hence his Amare comparisons. His problem is he can't shoot FTs to save his life and that went a long way towards limiting his post game b/c he was afraid to bang b/c of getting fouled so he was very passive. He's just raw and uncoached, that's all and easily fixable.

What player(s) do you like @ 2, Hasheem?

Another reason he didn't attack the basket that much is because he's soft on both ends, guy actively avoids contact on defense and offense. Yeah he didn't want to get to the free throw line with his absolutely atrocious stroke but he also had a terrible Robin Lopez like touch around the basket. Guy is not good on offense, maybe in high school he was fluid but in college he was a guy with no good skills and no idea where to be.
At #2 I'd like Thomas Robinson. Think he's a good mix of guaranteed production and upside. Could easily see him sneaking in some all-star games like a Horford.
I'd be okay with Beal.

TheKingofSting · Post #207 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:58 am

Maybe Drummond will jump over a bunch of cars and dunk in workouts and make Benson really like him. :pray:

Liver_Pooty · Post #208 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:00 am

Jordan will NEVER try a Kwame project again, even if Cho wants to. Drummond is out of the deal in my mind. I am going to continuously preach GILCHRIST. Beal has a nice stroke but only produced 33% from three point land in college. If we were to draft Robinson thats OK. Hes tough, and reminds me of a David West type player, but the Morris Twins played over him his first two years and we know how their doing these days. Gilchrist is a leader. Hes my pick

debo23 · Post #209 » by **debo23** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:00 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:Cho, Good listen

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2012/0 ... mov-211472

What space station was that interview done at? wtf is in the background?

My favorite quotes from the clip:

"We'll get a good player at number 2... Last time I picked number two I got Durant, so yeah, we'll get a good player"

Asked that despite the bobcats getting the 2nd pick, if he was glad they were there -

"*laughs* ... well, we don't want to be in the lottery! ........ but we decided to rebuild and it's part of the process"

Post #210 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:00 am

Robinson seems like the guy to draft. Let's take whoever Cho thinks is BPA and be try again in 2013. When does the Tyrus pick to the Bulls become unprotected? Ugh, so terrible.

Battery · Post #211 » by **Battery** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:01 am

Maybe some team falls in love with a player at #2 and they give us an offer we can't refuse. Something like what the Redskins gave to the Rams for RG3. Cho and MJ need to start pumping up these players and get some dumb GM to bite. Isiah? You out there?

Post #212 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:02 am

LB can't get attached to a team fast enough.

TheKingofSting · Post #213 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:03 am

Walt Cronkite wrote:Robinson seems like the guy to draft. Let's take whoever Cho thinks is BPA and be try again in 2013. When does the Tyrus pick to the Bulls become unprotected? Ugh, so terrible.

2013 first round draft pick to Chicago
Charlotte's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-12 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte - Chicago, 2/18/2010]

Post #214 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:04 am

So we can stay the course until 2016. Perfect.

TheKingofSting · Post #215 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:04 am

debo23 wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:Cho, Good listen

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2012/0 ... mov-211472

What space station was that interview done at? wtf is in the background?

My favorite quotes from the clip:

"We'll get a good player at number 2... Last time I picked number two I got Durant, so yeah, we'll get a good player"

Asked that despite the bobcats getting the 2nd pick, if he was glad they were there -

"*laughs* ... well, we don't want to be in the lottery! ........ but we decided to rebuild and it's part of the process"

Yeah I noticed that too :lol:

Cho is really soft spoken but all of that noise was still weird.

SWedd523 · Post #216 » by **SWedd523** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:06 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Beal has a nice stroke but only produced 33% from three point land in college.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... don-1.html

JMAC3 · Post #217 » by **JMAC3** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:12 am

Quick Assesments

Tier 1
Anthony Davis- No chance... forget trading for him.. if we do and he is just average we are ruined...
Tier 2
Andre Drummond- Big Risk... we cant afford it... not a good mix with Biz... Let somebody else make mistake.
MKG- Fits with us better then expected... needs to work on range on Jumper...
Beal- plays same position as Hendo... feels like we dont really improve much since not starting
Robinson- Great fit other then on short side to pair with Biz... two guys at 6'9'' are not going to be that successful longterm...
Tier 3
Harrison Barnes- Great fit, solid starter, nothing special
PJ3- Big bust potential, think he has to play the 3 to be worth the pick
Tier 4
Austin Rivers- Might be the best player out of class, needs to work on playmaking
Dion Waiters- Might be DWADE or might be a 6th man for life
Jared Sullinger- Overrated post game, undersized, unathletic, high BBIQ, good stroke
Terrence Jones- Tweener, not great at anything, Tobias Harris esq,
Terrence Ross- Underrated player, great shooter, good athlete, more nba type game
Damian Lillard- Gonna be a good player, not a great fit for us, would avoid
John Henson- Worst player in the lottery..
Tyler Zeller- He is a poor mans gasol, finese game, soft, poor defense, but runs well and good midrange
Jeremy Lamb- Scorer, Marshonn Brooks esq, not a leader, will fall down draft boards
Arnett Moultrie- Great fit for us, has an NBA game, if he is 6'11'' will shoot up boards.
Kendall Marshall- Do not want.... he has to go to a team full of weapons...
Meyers Leonard- Nothing great, should of stayed in school, has potential, will never be a go to player
Moe Harkless- Honestly know least about him, could end up shooting up boards, apparently has very little holes in game and potential....

Eoghan · Post #218 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:13 am

HasheemThabeet wrote:Another reason he didn't attack the basket that much is because he's soft on both ends, guy actively avoids contact on defense and offense. Yeah he didn't want to get to the free throw line with his absolutely atrocious stroke but he also had a terrible Robin Lopez like touch around the basket. Guy is not good on offense, maybe in high school he was fluid but in college he was a guy with no good skills and no idea where to be.
At #2 I'd like Thomas Robinson. Think he's a good mix of guaranteed production and upside. Could easily see him sneaking in some all-star games like a Horford.
I'd be okay with Beal.

You let me know if this looks soft to you:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNvdH5Bzz_Y[/youtube]

God, Kemba and Drummond on the fastbreak. :droop:

HasheemThabeet · Post #219 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:17 am

even worse than I could have ever imagined. Hope Jordan has subconscious thoughts about Kwame and Drummond so he gets dropped out of contention quick

Eoghan · Post #220 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:19 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Beal has a nice stroke but only produced 33% from three point land in college.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... don-1.html

Weren't you just arguing that similar stats doesn't mean anything? (i.e. Robinson vs Drew Gordon)

Liver_Pooty wrote:Jordan will NEVER try a Kwame project again, even if Cho wants to. Drummond is out of the deal in my mind. I am going to continuously preach GILCHRIST. Beal has a nice stroke but only produced 33% from three point land in college. If we were to draft Robinson thats OK. Hes tough, and reminds me of a David West type player, but the Morris Twins played over him his first two years and we know how their doing these days. Gilchrist is a leader. Hes my pick

Which do you think is worse for MJ? Drafting MKG and having him be nothing special (or bust) and missing out on the next Dwight Howard in Drummond or drafting Drummond as a consensus BPA and having him be nothing special (or bust) while MKG becomes a Gerald Wallace (i.e. nothing special)?

Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?