Woj: CHA making Kemba available in trade talks

[catch20two]

We shouldn’t entertain any of these Kemba trades, not even the Knicks one. I haven’t seen a offer worthwhile yet.

Instead we should just swallow the pill of trading Batum attached to a lottery protected 1st rounder for a contract that’ll expire at least by the 2019 offseason where we’ll have to re-up Kemba and Lamb contracts.

Trading Batum in that manner now rather than next season give us the opportunity to see if Kemba or Lamb are even worth extending after a full season playing together. From there if the 2018-19 season don’t go well then we can let Kemba and Lamb walk while going into tank mode for the rebuild.

Why do we have to trade anybody? I'm fine with sitting still and see if this team can work it out. I don't think we can judge too harshly on the 1st half of the season due to injuries, grieving time for MKG, Cliff issues, etc. On top of a brutal schedule

We kinda sorta gotta get out of Batum’s contract in order to keep Kemba and pay him the max that he’ll rightfully deserve without going blue ocean sea deep into the luxury tax. Batum’s contract doesn’t come off the books until 2021. Kemba is a free agent in 2019. Also having Batum’s contract on the books handicaps is from doing other deals to improve the roster.

[316Hornets]

We shouldn’t entertain any of these Kemba trades, not even the Knicks one. I haven’t seen a offer worthwhile yet.

Instead we should just swallow the pill of trading Batum attached to a lottery protected 1st rounder for a contract that’ll expire at least by the 2019 offseason where we’ll have to re-up Kemba and Lamb contracts.

Trading Batum in that manner now rather than next season give us the opportunity to see if Kemba or Lamb are even worth extending after a full season playing together. From there if the 2018-19 season don’t go well then we can let Kemba and Lamb walk while going into tank mode for the rebuild.

Why do we have to trade anybody? I'm fine with sitting still and see if this team can work it out. I don't think we can judge too harshly on the 1st half of the season due to injuries, grieving time for MKG, Cliff issues, etc. On top of a brutal schedule

We kinda sorta gotta get out of Batum’s contract in order to keep Kemba and pay him the max that he’ll rightfully deserve without going blue ocean sea deep into the luxury tax. Batum’s contract doesn’t come off the books until 2021. Kemba is a free agent in 2019. Also having Batum’s contract on the books handicaps is from doing other deals to improve the roster.

Could we not just transfer what we're paying Howard to Kemba and then Lamb makes Kemba's salary? Put Zeller back at starting C with Frank backing him up.

I'm all for trading Batum but as with any investment, you should look to buy low not sell low.

[Kerrsed]

First of all how was it the same offer when I enhanced it? If you have to lie to get your point across I really don’t want to debate with you I like walker and Howard but as any unbiased NBA fan who do you things going to be the better player next year they will say Dunn Dunn might be better this year depends how much you value defense Instead of insults how about a counter offer

How did you enhance it? Seriously, you just copy pasted the offer 3 times now!

Dunn/Lopez/Felicio/2 2020 2nd round picks for Walker/Howard/2018 1st/future pick swap.

Like seriously guy, its the same offer 3 times in a row with every post you made!!

Of course you dont want to debate with me, because you dont have a leg to stand on with your posts. Ask any unbiased fan who will be the better player? Well here i am, a SUNS FAN, not a Bulls fan or a Hornets fan and im telling you straight up Kemba is and will be the better player. If you want a real answer to that question, why dont you make a thread about it on the Trade Board and get some other "Unbiased Opinions". Im sadly sure that you are in for a MAJOR disappointment!

Once again, im sorry guys, he's trolling at this point.

[catch20two]

We shouldn’t entertain any of these Kemba trades, not even the Knicks one. I haven’t seen a offer worthwhile yet.

Instead we should just swallow the pill of trading Batum attached to a lottery protected 1st rounder for a contract that’ll expire at least by the 2019 offseason where we’ll have to re-up Kemba and Lamb contracts.

Trading Batum in that manner now rather than next season give us the opportunity to see if Kemba or Lamb are even worth extending after a full season playing together. From there if the 2018-19 season don’t go well then we can let Kemba and Lamb walk while going into tank mode for the rebuild.

Thats a real tough pill to swallow....for the team that makes that deal.

Say you are getting a player back that has a matching salary, but that expires in the 2019 offseason, that means the team that is doing that deal is essentially paying $27M (Batums salary in his final year) for a NON-LOTTO 1st round pick. Im sorry, i just dont see any way that will happen.

Definitely would be a tough pill for any team to swallow. Now that I think about it, that pick may have to be top 5 protected rather than lottery protected. That’s how bad that Batum deal was.

It’s surprising that a conservative GM like Cho would do such a deal that would tie his hands behind his back. I wonder if he expected to not be renewed come 2018 and decided to give Batum the friendly kicker on his exit and screw any GM following him similar to how he did Portland lol.

[catch20two]

Why do we have to trade anybody? I'm fine with sitting still and see if this team can work it out. I don't think we can judge too harshly on the 1st half of the season due to injuries, grieving time for MKG, Cliff issues, etc. On top of a brutal schedule

We kinda sorta gotta get out of Batum’s contract in order to keep Kemba and pay him the max that he’ll rightfully deserve without going blue ocean sea deep into the luxury tax. Batum’s contract doesn’t come off the books until 2021. Kemba is a free agent in 2019. Also having Batum’s contract on the books handicaps is from doing other deals to improve the roster.

Could we not just transfer what we're paying Howard to Kemba and then Lamb makes Kemba's salary? Put Zeller back at starting C with Frank backing him up.

I'm all for trading Batum but as with any investment, you should look to buy low not sell low.

Frank has a contract extension coming up that’ll likely require him to get a pay jump if we plan on retaining him. Also Lamb may demand more than $12 million annually based on his production and market value.

[Eoghan]

^I've been suspecting this for awhile. Passive-aggressive bad GMing to spite MJ for meddling in the rebuild.

Honestly the way this team does with the draft, the best thing to do is give our picks away to anybody that takes Batum. It's not like we'd draft anybody good with them. We still have Kemba so the odds of drafting another Kemba level player seems astronomical.

[Vickveto]

First of all how was it the same offer when I enhanced it? If you have to lie to get your point across I really don’t want to debate with you I like walker and Howard but as any unbiased NBA fan who do you things going to be the better player next year they will say Dunn Dunn might be better this year depends how much you value defense Instead of insults how about a counter offer

How did you enhance it? Seriously, you just copy pasted the offer 3 times now!

Dunn/Lopez/Felicio/2 2020 2nd round picks for Walker/Howard/2018 1st/future pick swap.

Like seriously guy, its the same offer 3 times in a row with every post you made!!

Of course you dont want to debate with me, because you dont have a leg to stand on with your posts. Ask any unbiased fan who will be the better player? Well here i am, a SUNS FAN, not a Bulls fan or a Hornets fan and im telling you straight up Kemba is and will be the better player. If you want a real answer to that question, why dont you make a thread about it on the Trade Board and get some other "Unbiased Opinions". Im sadly sure that you are in for a MAJOR disappointment!

Once again, im sorry guys, he's trolling at this point.

Yes Kemba Walker is probably better today but do you think he’s going to be better next year and in the future then dunn? Probably not which young prospects are on the market better than Dunn is not like he’s on the market but under the right deal yes kemba Walker he’s probably better today but do you think he’s going to be better next year and in the future then Dunn?
Yes you are lying because before I didn’t have seconds but this is my latest offer

hris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 18 unprotected 20 unprotected 2 2nds
For
Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

And maybe a nwaba holiday or Grant

Thoughts?

[316Hornets]

We kinda sorta gotta get out of Batum’s contract in order to keep Kemba and pay him the max that he’ll rightfully deserve without going blue ocean sea deep into the luxury tax. Batum’s contract doesn’t come off the books until 2021. Kemba is a free agent in 2019. Also having Batum’s contract on the books handicaps is from doing other deals to improve the roster.

Could we not just transfer what we're paying Howard to Kemba and then Lamb makes Kemba's salary? Put Zeller back at starting C with Frank backing him up.

I'm all for trading Batum but as with any investment, you should look to buy low not sell low.

Frank has a contract extension coming up that’ll likely require him to get a pay jump if we plan on retaining him. Also Lamb may demand more than $12 million annually based on his production and market value.

You and I both know Lamb's value, but him getting more than a 5 mil pay raise based on good bench minutes is a reach. If we traded Batum, I could totally see the scenario where he earns a bigger contract, which is just another reason why I think we should wait.

[catch20two]

Could we not just transfer what we're paying Howard to Kemba and then Lamb makes Kemba's salary? Put Zeller back at starting C with Frank backing him up.

I'm all for trading Batum but as with any investment, you should look to buy low not sell low.

Frank has a contract extension coming up that’ll likely require him to get a pay jump if we plan on retaining him. Also Lamb may demand more than $12 million annually based on his production and market value.

You and I both know Lamb's value, but him getting more than a 5 mil pay raise based on good bench minutes is a reach. If we traded Batum, I could totally see the scenario where he earns a bigger contract, which is just another reason why I think we should wait.

True. But look at the contracts that guys like Otto Porter and Kent Bazemore got and then compare their stats to Lamb’s. Yea.

[Kerrsed]

Spoiler:

First of all how was it the same offer when I enhanced it? If you have to lie to get your point across I really don’t want to debate with you I like walker and Howard but as any unbiased NBA fan who do you things going to be the better player next year they will say Dunn Dunn might be better this year depends how much you value defense Instead of insults how about a counter offer

How did you enhance it? Seriously, you just copy pasted the offer 3 times now!

Dunn/Lopez/Felicio/2 2020 2nd round picks for Walker/Howard/2018 1st/future pick swap.

Like seriously guy, its the same offer 3 times in a row with every post you made!!

Of course you dont want to debate with me, because you dont have a leg to stand on with your posts. Ask any unbiased fan who will be the better player? Well here i am, a SUNS FAN, not a Bulls fan or a Hornets fan and im telling you straight up Kemba is and will be the better player. If you want a real answer to that question, why dont you make a thread about it on the Trade Board and get some other "Unbiased Opinions". Im sadly sure that you are in for a MAJOR disappointment!

Once again, im sorry guys, he's trolling at this point.

Yes Kemba Walker is probably better today but do you think he’s going to be better next year and in the future then dunn? Probably not which young prospects are on the market better than Dunn is not like he’s on the market but under the right deal yes kemba Walker he’s probably better today but do you think he’s going to be better next year and in the future then Dunn?
Yes you are lying because before I didn’t have seconds but this is my latest offer

hris Dunn Robin Lopez Christiano Felicio 18 unprotected 20 unprotected 2 2nds
For
Kemba walker Dwight Howard cha 1st 18 right to pick swap 19

And maybe a nwaba holiday or Grant

Thoughts?

Still Trash.

Buy the way, i figured you wouldnt create the thread, so i made it for you with a poll.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1662356&p=62366075#p62366075

If you act fast you can be the first one to vote for Dunn! But then again that would go completely against the "Unbiasedness" that you seek.

[316Hornets]

Frank has a contract extension coming up that’ll likely require him to get a pay jump if we plan on retaining him. Also Lamb may demand more than $12 million annually based on his production and market value.

You and I both know Lamb's value, but him getting more than a 5 mil pay raise based on good bench minutes is a reach. If we traded Batum, I could totally see the scenario where he earns a bigger contract, which is just another reason why I think we should wait.

True. But look at the contracts that guys like Otto Porter and Kent Bazemore got and then compare their stats to Lamb’s. Yea.

Well, Bazemore got his during the summer of Batum's where everyone was getting paid. Porter was a #3 pick and that alone gets you a big contract if you perform right away.

Lamb has had a questionable past trying to earn minutes and he's been in the league for awhile now. He's having a career year, but I think it'll take more than what he's shown to earn the contract of a 3rd option.

[catch20two]

You and I both know Lamb's value, but him getting more than a 5 mil pay raise based on good bench minutes is a reach. If we traded Batum, I could totally see the scenario where he earns a bigger contract, which is just another reason why I think we should wait.

True. But look at the contracts that guys like Otto Porter and Kent Bazemore got and then compare their stats to Lamb’s. Yea.

Well, Bazemore got his during the summer of Batum's where everyone was getting paid. Porter was a #3 pick and that alone gets you a big contract if you perform right away.

Lamb has had a questionable past trying to earn minutes and he's been in the league for awhile now. He's having a career year, but I think it'll take more than what he's shown to earn the contract of a 3rd option.

Agreed. A lot of Lamb’s value will be determined by how he end this season and how next season goes. We’ll see.

[Rich4114]

Wow there are some robbery style trades on this board. People need to remember that this isn’t a player requesting a trade. It’s quite the opposite. Kemba’s value couldn’t be higher right now.

The team is searching for flexibility and ways to reset. Resetting means stocking up on assets that could make this team better than it is now in 2-4 years. Just getting rid of Kemba does not fast track that.

I also think there are other ways to explore this. We would be selling so low on Batum. I hate that contract, but it was kind of necessary at the time. We all would’ve been upset had he signed elsewhere leaving us with nothing. Just 3 months ago half the board was about to call the season a loss because he injured his elbow. Batum isn’t as good as his contract suggests but he’s definitely not as bad as this season suggests. It’s a bad year for him and he’s paid way too much. That doesn’t mean we need to trade our best player just to get rid of him. Batum is a good fit on a team of scorers and a bad fit on a team of bad shooters.

The more I think about this, the more I think we need to stand pat until the offseason or try to move MKG, Batum, Frank for someone who can shoot. Look at other desperate teams who want to shake things up. Swapping like for like parts and contracts could have a net gain for each team. This team has talent but the pieces fit together poorly and the coaching system is stubborn and unwilling to accept it. Would really suck to send our one star off in exchange for just getting out of a bad contract because we refuse to accept moving Batum to the bench or swapping someone like Frank or MKG out for someone less exciting.

Which reminds me, we should have been using Batum as our backup PG this whole time with Lamb as the starter. Why they won’t even try this is beyond me.

Last note, it is ironic that Kemba went to the free agency meeting with the Hornets to try and get Batum to resign here.

[316Hornets]

Does anyone else think Kemba's trade value should be in line with what Jimmy Butler returned? Both of these guys are in their prime and on the cusp of being in the All star game every year. Butler was traded in the off-season, so you get Kemba for 6 fewer months, but also pay him 6 million less.

Here's the trade:
Jimmy Butler, 2017 16th pick
For
Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn, 2017 7th pick

Is this not the value of Kemba? If not, why?

[geraldwallace]

Jimmy Butler is a waaaaay bigger name tho


So he is pretty overated

[316Hornets]

Jimmy Butler is a waaaaay bigger name tho


So he is pretty overated

Yeah but we're talking about NBA GMs and they all know who Kemba is. He's also more marketable than Butler imo. A team like the Knicks would be stupid to not try to get him.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Jimmy Butler is a waaaaay bigger name tho


So he is pretty overated

Yeah but we're talking about NBA GMs and they all know who Kemba is. He's also more marketable than Butler imo. A team like the Knicks would be stupid to not try to get him.

Kemba is on a slightly better contract IMHO, but the Hornet's desire to shed salary will make the return less. By himself that's not a really bad comp.

[DY_nasty]

cho bodied himself

[They_Them_Hatin]

I haven’t kept up with the NBA this much this season. I thought we could be a top 3 or 4 seed but like usual it’s just not working.

Cho and Clifford should have been fired. Especially Cho. I’m not interested in a Hinkie rebuild at all but I would like everyone but Monk and Frank to go. We should hire Hinkie and make sure he gets us to the top of the 2019 draft then fire him.

[TheKingofSting]

The Top 20 in this draft should be littered with talent. We need Picks, I'd rather keep Kemba and find some other way to accrue picks if possible.


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