#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[JDR720]

We thought the same thing about Henderson when we locked him up on a "cheap" deal over 3 years. He was anything BUT a trade asset. Look this team has problems on offense and doesn't need Biz to be a top 10 defense. We just acquired a CENTER who shoots 3's and drafted another CENTER/PF who shoots 3's. They're moving away from players like Hendo, Lance, Winslow and, yes, Biz as well.

cant compare Biz and Hendo, they are completely different players and the cap is going up by 20 million+, Biz will probably be making less than the MLE.

still useful to have a young defensive center on the team, every good team in the NBA has a defensive specialist big man.

[Braggins]

We thought the same thing about Henderson when we locked him up on a "cheap" deal over 3 years. He was anything BUT a trade asset. Look this team has problems on offense and doesn't need Biz to be a top 10 defense. We just acquired a CENTER who shoots 3's and drafted another CENTER/PF who shoots 3's. They're moving away from players like Hendo, Lance, Winslow and, yes, Biz as well.

A 22 year old who is one of the best shot blockers and better rebounders in the league is absolutely an asset, and one that is worth more than the QO we would have to give. We are talking about less than 5 million for one year when the cap is about to sky rocket. Shot blocking and rim protection are still coveted skills and players like Biz are valuable in todays league. Players like Hendo are not. His contract was for more money and more years at a time when the value of a player like him is at an all time low. I don't think its a fair comparison. If a team offers him big money then it is a different story. Not extending the qualifying offer is simply bad asset management. We can't get below the cap anyways so there is literally zero upside to letting him walk. You just want to see a rotation of 10 guys who are all 3 point shooters.

[MasterIchiro]

We thought the same thing about Henderson when we locked him up on a "cheap" deal over 3 years. He was anything BUT a trade asset. Look this team has problems on offense and doesn't need Biz to be a top 10 defense. We just acquired a CENTER who shoots 3's and drafted another CENTER/PF who shoots 3's. They're moving away from players like Hendo, Lance, Winslow and, yes, Biz as well.

A 22 year old who is one of the best shot blockers and better rebounders in the league is absolutely an asset, and one that is worth more than the QO we would have to give. We are talking about less than 5 million for one year when the cap is about to sky rocket. Shot blocking and rim protection are still coveted skills and players like Biz are valuable in todays league. Players like Hendo are not. His contract was for more money and more years at a time when the value of a player like him is at an all time low. I don't think its a fair comparison. If a team offers him big money then it is a different story. Not extending the qualifying offer is simply bad asset management. We can't get below the cap anyways so there is literally zero upside to letting him walk. You just want to see a rotation of 10 guys who are all 3 point shooters.

Ezili is an asset because he doesn't cost 5 million dollars. Defensive specialists don't hold the same value in today's NBA. Some team will offer him 7. Kryptonite.

[Braggins]

We thought the same thing about Henderson when we locked him up on a "cheap" deal over 3 years. He was anything BUT a trade asset. Look this team has problems on offense and doesn't need Biz to be a top 10 defense. We just acquired a CENTER who shoots 3's and drafted another CENTER/PF who shoots 3's. They're moving away from players like Hendo, Lance, Winslow and, yes, Biz as well.

A 22 year old who is one of the best shot blockers and better rebounders in the league is absolutely an asset, and one that is worth more than the QO we would have to give. We are talking about less than 5 million for one year when the cap is about to sky rocket. Shot blocking and rim protection are still coveted skills and players like Biz are valuable in todays league. Players like Hendo are not. His contract was for more money and more years at a time when the value of a player like him is at an all time low. I don't think its a fair comparison. If a team offers him big money then it is a different story. Not extending the qualifying offer is simply bad asset management. We can't get below the cap anyways so there is literally zero upside to letting him walk. You just want to see a rotation of 10 guys who are all 3 point shooters.

Ezili is an asset because he doesn't cost 5 million dollars. Defensive specialists don't hold the same value in today's NBA. Some team will offer him 7. Kryptonite.

Festus is 3 years older and has only ever been effective in extremely limited minutes. Biz basically averaged a double double for us when we gave him starter minutes. Hes only cheaper than Biz's qualifying offer by a little under 3 million. He will get paid more than what it would take to lock up Biz when he gets his next contract.

[MasterIchiro]

A 22 year old who is one of the best shot blockers and better rebounders in the league is absolutely an asset, and one that is worth more than the QO we would have to give. We are talking about less than 5 million for one year when the cap is about to sky rocket. Shot blocking and rim protection are still coveted skills and players like Biz are valuable in todays league. Players like Hendo are not. His contract was for more money and more years at a time when the value of a player like him is at an all time low. I don't think its a fair comparison. If a team offers him big money then it is a different story. Not extending the qualifying offer is simply bad asset management. We can't get below the cap anyways so there is literally zero upside to letting him walk. You just want to see a rotation of 10 guys who are all 3 point shooters.

Ezili is an asset because he doesn't cost 5 million dollars. Defensive specialists don't hold the same value in today's NBA. Some team will offer him 7. Kryptonite.

Festus is 3 years older and has only ever been effective in extremely limited minutes. Biz basically averaged a double double for us when we gave him starter minutes. Hes only cheaper than Biz's qualifying offer by a little under 3 million. He will get paid more than what it would take to lock up Biz when he gets his next contract.

Right, and then he loses value to GS.

Look I'm for the QO but if a team offers a multiyear deal at 6-7 million, I'm out.

[Braggins]

Ezili is an asset because he doesn't cost 5 million dollars. Defensive specialists don't hold the same value in today's NBA. Some team will offer him 7. Kryptonite.

Festus is 3 years older and has only ever been effective in extremely limited minutes. Biz basically averaged a double double for us when we gave him starter minutes. Hes only cheaper than Biz's qualifying offer by a little under 3 million. He will get paid more than what it would take to lock up Biz when he gets his next contract.

Right, and then he loses value to GS.

Look I'm for the QO but if a team offers a multiyear deal at 6-7 million, I'm out.

Its not easy to get guys on rookie scale deals that can offer what Biz does. We should take advantage of the cap being lower to lock up a premier backup center for a few years imo. 6-7 million is more like 5 million once the cap goes up. He isn't going to be making all that much more than guys who sign rookie scale deals next year and after. We can't use the cap space on anything this season and the money will be better spent than what we could get with it after the cap explosion next season when we will actually be able to use it.

[MasterIchiro]

Festus is 3 years older and has only ever been effective in extremely limited minutes. Biz basically averaged a double double for us when we gave him starter minutes. Hes only cheaper than Biz's qualifying offer by a little under 3 million. He will get paid more than what it would take to lock up Biz when he gets his next contract.

Right, and then he loses value to GS.

Look I'm for the QO but if a team offers a multiyear deal at 6-7 million, I'm out.

Its not easy to get guys on rookie scale deals that can offer what Biz does. We should take advantage of the cap being lower to lock up a premier backup center for a few years imo. 6-7 million is more like 5 million once the cap goes up. He isn't going to be making all that much more than guys who sign rookie scale deals next year and after. We can't use the cap space on anything this season and the money will be better spent than what we could get with it after the cap explosion next season when we will actually be able to use it.

6-7 million, I'm out.

[Hornet Mania]

Right, and then he loses value to GS.

Look I'm for the QO but if a team offers a multiyear deal at 6-7 million, I'm out.

Its not easy to get guys on rookie scale deals that can offer what Biz does. We should take advantage of the cap being lower to lock up a premier backup center for a few years imo. 6-7 million is more like 5 million once the cap goes up. He isn't going to be making all that much more than guys who sign rookie scale deals next year and after. We can't use the cap space on anything this season and the money will be better spent than what we could get with it after the cap explosion next season when we will actually be able to use it.

6-7 million, I'm out.

If the price to retain Biz was 4yr/20m or 3yr/15m (as has been speculated) would he interest you at all? I know you said the QO was fine, but I was wondering how you would feel about a multi-year deal at around that salary.

[stinger14]

I would rather sign Biz at as much as $7 million per than have Al at his current rate or extend him at anything close to what he is making......Biz is a better all around player than Al, and he makes the Hornets better than Al.......Al is not the present or future answer, Biz has improved every year and is still only 22.....sign Biz, trade Al

[Elden Payton]

Biz is worth 6-7m in today's climate quite easily.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

It will be interesting to see what kinds of offers Biz gets. I don't think that the team will be willing to go over the mid-level in terms of resigning Biz even though they could. If the team fails to make Biz a QO ... well that will say a LOT.

[BeesWax]

You're over thinking it. Posturing is pointless in restricted free agency. Opposing GM's will present offers according to their internal valuations, not what our front office says or doesn't say or alludes to. The best we can hope for is a sign-and-trade.

You read it wrong. Best we can hope for is to keep Biz and not screw up again because our coach knows nothing about offense.

You are in denial. We have added a mountain of offense - Batum, Hawes, Lamb, Kaminsky. Your arrow is pointing in the wrong direction.

Lamb was ok. Batum we paid to much for but he will be fine. Hawes and Kaminsky are redundant and one needs to go. Making dumb moves just to placate a coach who only has a clue on one side of the ball is bad. We should have fired Cliff and kept on the right path. Killing our future for one mediocre year is stupid. All this still doesn't address that you completely read the entire post wrong.

[BeesWax]

Its not easy to get guys on rookie scale deals that can offer what Biz does. We should take advantage of the cap being lower to lock up a premier backup center for a few years imo. 6-7 million is more like 5 million once the cap goes up. He isn't going to be making all that much more than guys who sign rookie scale deals next year and after. We can't use the cap space on anything this season and the money will be better spent than what we could get with it after the cap explosion next season when we will actually be able to use it.

6-7 million, I'm out.

If the price to retain Biz was 4yr/20m or 3yr/15m (as has been speculated) would he interest you at all? I know you said the QO was fine, but I was wondering how you would feel about a multi-year deal at around that salary.

The smart move would be to lock him up even at 4yr/28m or so. I am not sure Cho will be allowed to make the smart move though since Cliffors is having more say.

[MasterIchiro]

Its not easy to get guys on rookie scale deals that can offer what Biz does. We should take advantage of the cap being lower to lock up a premier backup center for a few years imo. 6-7 million is more like 5 million once the cap goes up. He isn't going to be making all that much more than guys who sign rookie scale deals next year and after. We can't use the cap space on anything this season and the money will be better spent than what we could get with it after the cap explosion next season when we will actually be able to use it.

6-7 million, I'm out.

If the price to retain Biz was 4yr/20m or 3yr/15m (as has been speculated) would he interest you at all? I know you said the QO was fine, but I was wondering how you would feel about a multi-year deal at around that salary.

Since the cap is going up, that's fine but otherwise it's similar to the deal the Bobcats gave Diop. We need a real center, backed by Cody and Kaminsky. Biz is a one-way player. He's not my guy any more than Ezili is for the Warriors.

[Liver_Pooty]

6-7 million, I'm out.

If the price to retain Biz was 4yr/20m or 3yr/15m (as has been speculated) would he interest you at all? I know you said the QO was fine, but I was wondering how you would feel about a multi-year deal at around that salary.

Since the cap is going up, that's fine but otherwise it's similar to the deal the Bobcats gave Diop. We need a real center, backed by Cody and Kaminsky. Biz is a one-way player. He's not my guy any more than Ezili is for the Warriors.

Mavs gave him that deal, we just happened to trade for that garbage somehow.

[MasterIchiro]

If the price to retain Biz was 4yr/20m or 3yr/15m (as has been speculated) would he interest you at all? I know you said the QO was fine, but I was wondering how you would feel about a multi-year deal at around that salary.

Since the cap is going up, that's fine but otherwise it's similar to the deal the Bobcats gave Diop. We need a real center, backed by Cody and Kaminsky. Biz is a one-way player. He's not my guy any more than Ezili is for the Warriors.

Mavs gave him that deal, we just happened to trade for that garbage somehow.

I stand corrected. Either way, GM's should be stingy with role players. You can get players like Biz later in the draft. Many college players come into the league as specialists or having one specific skill. The ones who fall are not well-rounded. Biz is not well-rounded. And when push comes to shove, Kaminsky and Cody should be viable backup centers. I'd rather take that 6-7 from Biz and allocate it to a 6th man like Lamb.

[Liver_Pooty]

Since the cap is going up, that's fine but otherwise it's similar to the deal the Bobcats gave Diop. We need a real center, backed by Cody and Kaminsky. Biz is a one-way player. He's not my guy any more than Ezili is for the Warriors.

Mavs gave him that deal, we just happened to trade for that garbage somehow.

I stand corrected. Either way, GM's should be stingy with role players. You can get players like Biz later in the draft. Many college players come into the league as specialists or having one specific skill. The ones who fall are not well-rounded. Biz is not well-rounded. And when push comes to shove, Kaminsky and Cody should be viable backup centers. I'd rather take that 6-7 from Biz and allocate it to a 6th man like Lamb.

I've been saying this for 2 years now. Im glad you came around. Biyombo is overrated. I saw someone say hes one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. If he was, we would have offered him a 4 year deal at around 60 million, and Jefferson would be gone.

Deandre Jordan is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. Biyombo is not,.

[MasterIchiro]

Mavs gave him that deal, we just happened to trade for that garbage somehow.

I stand corrected. Either way, GM's should be stingy with role players. You can get players like Biz later in the draft. Many college players come into the league as specialists or having one specific skill. The ones who fall are not well-rounded. Biz is not well-rounded. And when push comes to shove, Kaminsky and Cody should be viable backup centers. I'd rather take that 6-7 from Biz and allocate it to a 6th man like Lamb.

I've been saying this for 2 years now. Im glad you came around. Biyombo is overrated. I saw someone say hes one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. If he was, we would have offered him a 4 year deal at around 60 million, and Jefferson would be gone.

Deandre Jordan is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. Biyombo is not,.

Biyombo's understanding of the game is on par with a 16 year old American player who's behind his peers. Like Vonleh, he's a project we don't have time for and like I said, 6-7 million gets you versatility on the bench. 5 million got the Warriors Shaun Livingston. They got Ezili late in the draft and his paltry salary makes his limited contributions more valuable. You don't pay Biz, you look for the next Ezili and you certainly don't trade up to pick 7 to find him. They seem to be learning from their mistakes, as I watch a line of shooters with STARTING capacity file into TWC arena. I'm looking forward to last years farces racking up DNP's: Roberts, Marvin, Daniels, PJ (and before them, chumps like Neal).

[HornetJail]

Mavs gave him that deal, we just happened to trade for that garbage somehow.

I stand corrected. Either way, GM's should be stingy with role players. You can get players like Biz later in the draft. Many college players come into the league as specialists or having one specific skill. The ones who fall are not well-rounded. Biz is not well-rounded. And when push comes to shove, Kaminsky and Cody should be viable backup centers. I'd rather take that 6-7 from Biz and allocate it to a 6th man like Lamb.

I've been saying this for 2 years now. Im glad you came around. Biyombo is overrated. I saw someone say hes one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. If he was, we would have offered him a 4 year deal at around 60 million, and Jefferson would be gone.

Deandre Jordan is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. Biyombo is not,.

DeAndre Jordan: 3.3 blocks per 100 possessions (14th in the NBA), 22 rebounds per 100 possessions (3rd in the NBA)
Bismack Biyombo: 4.1 blocks per 100 possessions (5th in the NBA), 16.9 rebounds per 100 possessions (8th in the NBA)

If top 10 in both categories isn't elite to you, I don't know what to tell you.

[Braggins]

Dude was our best big last season.