GT Feb 9th Charlotte @ Indiana 7:00pm

[captaincrunk]

Yeah, I don't think even indiana fans mind giving us the win in their hearts so to speak. That splits the season series 2/3.

What do you mean? They are 3-0 up with only one left to play against us.

I know. I'm saying that everyone knows we won, it's just not official.

[croz24]

last i checked, 3 1/2 steps is traveling... did jackson get fouled at the end? likely. did he travel to get into that position? most certainly.

[daschysta]

I agreed with all on this board that the last call was a clear foul initially, but now that i've watched replay it's clear that not only stephen jackson traveled, but that darren didn't actually reach and come down on stephen jackson, Darren was close, but backing away, jackson took an extra half step to initiate the contact with darren. No official will bail a player out in that situation if he's not kobe or lebron, jackson probably felt he had to do this because Wallace wasted so much time that a good shot was impossible.

[dmutombo321]

I personally feel plays like that one should be no calls where an offensive player lunges into a defender in hopes of drawing a foul. My issue is that the officials are completely inconsistent on the matter and there is a double standard for the Paul Pierces, Wades, etc who get that call all day long.

[captaincrunk]

I personally feel plays like that one should be no calls where an offensive player lunges into a defender in hopes of drawing a foul. My issue is that the officials are completely inconsistent on the matter and there is a double standard for the Paul Pierces, Wades, etc who get that call all day long.

Well, Jackson had a shot at the basket, and that's why it's relevant. It's not like it would have been a 3/4 court heave.

[BigSlam]

I'm over it now. Time to move on. Nothing will change it. Shouldn't have been in a position for the refs to decide the outcome any ways. We are a better team than the Pacers but failed to show that for 3 1/4 qtrs last night.

Can't play 3/4 of a quarter and expect to win.

[daschysta]

I agree with both of you above, other calls during the game were bs. If I were a charlotte fan I would be furious about the accidental whistle leading to four points more than anything else the officials did.

However to crunk I think that the issue is that Jackson was the one that initiated the contact, he went out of his way looking for contact and a call, so much so that the ball never even started in the direction of the hoop. At another point that may be a foul, yes, I agree, but at the end of the game it comes off to officials that jackson was looking for contact more than looking to put up a good shot, and unless your one of the prissy prima donna sweethearts like lebron they are never making that call.

Collison appeared, at least to me, to be backing up as quickly as he could, yet jackson barreled into him forcing contact. Had jackson actually put a shot up at the hoop, and darren had initiated contact then heck yes it's a foul on darren, but that isn't what the replay shows in motion.

Calls should be consistant both ways, but at the end of the game refs are always going to be reluctant to give free throws that decide a game when the offenseive player goes looking for contact 30 plus feet away from the hoop.

[captaincrunk]

I agree with both of you above, other calls during the game were bs. If I were a charlotte fan I would be furious about the accidental whistle leading to four points more than anything else the officials did.

However to crunk I think that the issue is that Jackson was the one that initiated the contact, he went out of his way looking for contact and a call, so much so that the ball never even started in the direction of the hoop. At another point that may be a foul, yes, I agree, but at the end of the game it comes off to officials that jackson was looking for contact more than looking to put up a good shot, and unless your one of the prissy prima donna sweethearts like lebron they are never making that call.

If it is ever a call, it should always be a call. It makes no sense to say "Well since it's near the end of the game, we shouldn't call any fouls". If anything it's better for the NBA as it creates tense situations, nailbiters.

Collison appeared, at least to me, to be backing up as quickly as he could, yet jackson barreled into him forcing contact. Had jackson actually put a shot up at the hoop, and darren had initiated contact then heck yes it's a foul on darren, but that isn't what the replay shows in motion.

But if you ask the referree why there is no call, he would claim no contact. In law, if a rule isn't consistently enforced it isn't a law. Same should be applied here, imo.

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Calls should be consistant both ways, but at the end of the game refs are always going to be reluctant to give free throws that decide a game when the offenseive player goes looking for contact 30 plus feet away from the hoop.

That's like saying "Judges are really reluctant to send blonds to jail". It's hardly fair.

[daschysta]

I agree that it's not "fair" but I would contend that it is consistant.

if their going to make those calls, always make them ,if their going to not make them ,then very rarely make them.

I'm just saying that the rules don't allow an offensive player to draw a foul every time HE inituates the contact, whcih jackson clearly did.

Jackson didn't have to blatantly initiate contact with collison, if it were the other way around I bet jackson gets that call. Jackson purposely initiated the contact to the detriment of a good shot. if he were actually trying to get a good shot there then he wouldn't have tried (and traveled) so hard to initiate contact with Collison.

Bascially i'm saying that jackson was trying harder to draw a foul than get a good shot, and that the refs are always reluctant to bail a player out like that.

Is it fair? maybe not, but it is human nature.

It was an iffy call, for sure, but thats what we use human officials for, but bygones are bygones, and it easily could have been called a foul, your right.

[BigSlam]

Jax couldn't get good shot off because Collison hacked his arm (as seen in the 2nd pic posted from the ESPN highlight package).

And it's not about initating contact. If that was the case any time someone like Al Jefferson head faked or ball faked players would be given a green light to smash him - because that is initiating contact by trying to entice someone to bite on a fake.

It was an iffy called that still should have at LEAST been called so the play could have been reviewed. The refs failed on about 4 fronts - but again, it's the Bobcats fault for leaving it in the hands of the refs.

[captaincrunk]

I agree that it's not "fair" but I would contend that it is consistant.

Being consistently inconsistent is not being consistent at all. That's like saying Jax is consistent in that it's true every game that you don't know if he's going to be consistent or not.

I'm just saying that the rules don't allow an offensive player to draw a foul every time HE inituates the contact, whcih jackson clearly did.

You're right, I forgot the Stephen Jackson rule which states: If you're SJax, no call for you!

Jackson didn't have to blatantly initiate contact with collison, if it were the other way around I bet jackson gets that call. Jackson purposely initiated the contact to the detriment of a good shot. if he were actually trying to get a good shot there then he wouldn't have tried (and traveled) so hard to initiate contact with Collison.

I maintain that if you asked the referee what he thought happened, he would contend that there was no contact.

Bascially i'm saying that jackson was trying harder to draw a foul than get a good shot, and that the refs are always reluctant to bail a player out like that.

What??? most shooting fouls are drawn on purpose like that.

Is it fair? maybe not, but it is human nature.

Well at least you're admitting it's a mistake now.

It was an iffy call, for sure, but thats what we use human officials for

We do that so we can have awesome mistakes like this? I thought it was because there's no alternative :p