Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[Jaruff]

How do you guys feel about Klay Thompson if he's there at 19? I have a feeling he'll be gone, but the kid shoots lights out and has pretty good size.

I'd prefer to sign Nick Young through free agency.

[Diop]

Who are these efficient shooters you speak of and where were they hiding last season?

White and Cunningham's mid range shot is almost automatic. Livingston and TT pre injury are good mid range shooters as well. But, apart from Livo in a height matchup, they need someone else to create for them.

[Badd_Intentions]

Yea that is one of our problems, our best shooters are our PG's and bigs. It's like we need either legit shooters or guards that are really consistent at creating.

[BigSlam]

How do you guys feel about Klay Thompson if he's there at 19? I have a feeling he'll be gone, but the kid shoots lights out and has pretty good size.

I'd prefer to sign Nick Young through free agency.

I sort of feel that way with Brooks too - especially with some people suggesting we should look at Brooks as high as #9.

[Badd_Intentions]

I wouldn't go as far as to take Brooks at 9, but you've got to think i'd much rather draft a player at 19 that can give us similar things that Young could bring. Much much cheaper. Now this is assuming that one of these guys pan out at 19. Maybe they will maybe not, that's a gamble that we'd take.

Also it's not a given that Young wants to play here and I wouldn't want to get in a bidding war over him either.

[SWedd523]

Slam, you laid out the anti-Kemba argument better than I ever could have. I alluded to much of the same in my post in the playoffs thread. The fact of the matter is, Kemba is a two guard in a PG's body. He's a smaller, less athletic Rose/Westbrook. You never want that from your PG because it limits what you can surround him with. Look at the issues we're starting to see in both of those guys' teams' situations.

If he was 6'4 and a true SG, I'd absolutely take him, if he had the court vision and humility (not quite sure that's the word) to differ to other guys and take over only at certain times, then maybe. But the hype has his skill set blown way out of proportion. Situations like his are when you see a lot of busts. Not saying he will be in particular, just that picking him too high sets his team up for disappointment.

[SWedd523]

Maths tells me, CP3 + Dwight = efficiency at it's finest.

Ironically, one of those guys would not pass a math test.

If you want to talk about efficiency, look at Andrew Goudelock from Charleston. I've seen him many times on television and he has the skills to get it done. He would be a reach with our second round pick but it would allow us to skip the scorer with our big picks.

That's the second time I've seen somebody else mention Goudelock on this board and it's fantastic. A couple of my buddies that go to CofC and have classes with him and they all love him on that campus (their version of Downey).

He'd be a fantastic get in the second round (along with Ben Hansbrough) because both of those guys have range damn near out to half-court and they can be great players off the bench to spread the floor.


Don't think Goudelock can't play because he's from a small school. I've seen him routinely torch bigger schools. Here's some of his lines from the past couple of seasons:

24 vs UNC
27 at Maryland
28 at UNC
21 vs Clemson
31 at Tennessee

[Badd_Intentions]

Well I think Kemba can defer in the right situations, just on this past seasons UConn team he knew he'd have to put up big numbers and had the green light at all times. I do think he has been over-hyped. If he is going to be a PG in this league he'll need to put in a ton of work. Not sure if this is the right place for him to succeed b/c here we'd be leaning on him too much for scoring.

I see a lot of mocks have him going to Sacto. I wonder what it would be like for him and Tyreke in the same backcourt?

[SWedd523]

Well I think Kemba can defer in the right situations, just on this past seasons UConn team he knew he'd have to put up big numbers and had the green light at all times. I do think he has been over-hyped. If he is going to be a PG in this league he'll need to put in a ton of work. Not sure if this is the right place for him to succeed b/c here we'd be leaning on him too much for scoring.

I see a lot of mocks have him going to Sacto. I wonder what it would be like for him and Tyreke in the same backcourt?

AND Thornton, who once again showed that he can put some points up. Are they going to run Kemba at the point and Reke at SF?


That UConn team wasn't chopped liver either. You don't win the title with one player. Lamb, Shabazz, and Oriakhi are all pretty solid players. It should be noted that they really started playing well when Napier ran point and Lamb got more involved.

[Jaruff]

Well I think Kemba can defer in the right situations, just on this past seasons UConn team he knew he'd have to put up big numbers and had the green light at all times. I do think he has been over-hyped. If he is going to be a PG in this league he'll need to put in a ton of work. Not sure if this is the right place for him to succeed b/c here we'd be leaning on him too much for scoring.

I see a lot of mocks have him going to Sacto. I wonder what it would be like for him and Tyreke in the same backcourt?

AND Thornton, who once again showed that he can put some points up. Are they going to run Kemba at the point and Reke at SF?


That UConn team wasn't chopped liver either. You don't win the title with one player. Lamb, Shabazz, and Oriakhi are all pretty solid players. It should be noted that they really started playing well when Napier ran point and Lamb got more involved.

I think SAC tries to trade the pick for salary and picks/prospects. They're going to be under the minimum salary cap. I could see something like Diaw + Najera + 9th for 5th because that gives them $12m extra for next season.

[Badd_Intentions]

Well I think Kemba can defer in the right situations, just on this past seasons UConn team he knew he'd have to put up big numbers and had the green light at all times. I do think he has been over-hyped. If he is going to be a PG in this league he'll need to put in a ton of work. Not sure if this is the right place for him to succeed b/c here we'd be leaning on him too much for scoring.

I see a lot of mocks have him going to Sacto. I wonder what it would be like for him and Tyreke in the same backcourt?

AND Thornton, who once again showed that he can put some points up. Are they going to run Kemba at the point and Reke at SF?


That UConn team wasn't chopped liver either. You don't win the title with one player. Lamb, Shabazz, and Oriakhi are all pretty solid players. It should be noted that they really started playing well when Napier ran point and Lamb got more involved.

Very true, but those guys were freshman whom started to really gel towards the end of the season.

[SWedd523]

Very true, but those guys were freshman whom started to really gel towards the end of the season.

That's why they won the title.

Kemba was doing his thing all season, yes, but it wasn't enough (T9th seed in Big East play) until the younger guys took more away from him.

[Marvel]

We can compare prospects based on stats all day - till we're blue in the face when making comparisons, but stat comparisons don't tell the whole story about a player's ability to translate his skill level to the pros.

There's other factors to consider when judging a player based off stats:
- Situation - will he be a starter, role player, bench rotation guy, does he fill an immediate need...
- Style, pace, system of team
- Will he be able to adjust mentally, to the more physical game in the NBA
- Work ethic, personality, character and so on...

If we're making fair comparisons here, Kemba Walker to me closely resembles, more towards Marcus Thornton.

[ohara]

All the Kemba bashing is doing nothing but assuring us that he is taken #9 by the Bobcats. And if he is a Bobcat, are we all going to fall in love with him then? Overlooking his blemishes and celebrating his swagger?

[Bizz]

Well with all the Kemba flaws pointed out in this thread I feel like I should defend him a little as he is my "prospect of the draft" a guy I would love the Bobcats to get.

Why Kemba won't be a bust and here is why. Kemba has the speed the quickness and a killer crossover that will make him a nightmere to keep out of the lane. Those 3 characteristics are the best in the class and probably top in the NBA also. Who was the last player with those combinations of skills in the league? Iverson? In my opinion Kembas floor is not TJ, Felton or any other small PGs you are trying to compere him to, it's Brendon Jennings. An inefficient scoring point guard with questionable D. But is that so bad? Every team Milwaukee plays prepares their game plan for Jennings, how many teams do that for DJ? And Jennings has more trade value than any player currently on Bobcats rooster including the 9th pick.

Bobcats need star players and Kemba is one. He like Jennings will come in and start droping 30, 40 point games his rookie season. Sure that doesn't mean he will be a superstar in this league but he will be a closest thing to a star Bobcats ever had. Bobcats so far had tons and tons of meh type of players. We had an one time-all star in Wallace, the rest of our players were or are role players plain and simple. And we can have all the best role players here and we still won't get out of the first round.

The NBA today is run by scoring PGs the days of pure PGs are gone and this is a new era where best PGs in the game are Rose, Westbrook, Williams, Wall, Curry, Evans ect. even pure Pgs like CP3 or Nash do a lot of scoring. When these guys penetrate the defens it collapses which leaves somebody open and that is why they still have a solid amount of assists per game even though they don't have great court vision. Kemba will be the same in that regard. Hey he even had 12 assists first round of the NCAA tournament.

I wan't Jordan to reach for the star with this pick. I've had it with solid but not spectecular picks like May, Felton, Okafor, DJ, Henderson. A part of me that is a Bobcat fan will die if we pick Marcus Morris, Marshoon Brooks, Jordan Hamilton ect. with the 9th pick. Go for a star Bobcats and nothing short of it. I rather see us draft Biyombo and have him turn into Kwame pt.2 than pick a safer guy who turns out to be another role player.

[ohara]

I wont be upset at all if Kemba is the pick. Really depends on who is on the board at the time. But he wont be a bad pick.

[Bassman]

Per an earlier suggestion, I'd explore trading #9 and Henderson to Cleveland for the 4th pick if Kanter is available at that point in the draft. That's a bit of a gamble on both teams, as Henderson could become really good or his body could be at the beginning of breaking down with regularity. I like Hendo, but he'll never be a big-time scorer/go-to guy. At 4 we would draft Kanter and target Brooks at 19.

As individual workouts begin players will start to solidify their value across the league. I just want Higgins and MJ to make quality decisions.

[BigSlam]

I see a lot of mocks have him going to Sacto. I wonder what it would be like for him and Tyreke in the same backcourt?

Horrible IMO.

[ohara]

Several new mocks posted today. Surprisingly, quite a few have Valanciunas falling to Charlotte at #9. Would be pleasantly surprised if that happened.

[BigSlam]

Several new mocks posted today. Surprisingly, quite a few have Valanciunas falling to Charlotte at #9. Would be pleasantly surprised if that happened.

Can you post links to the new mocks ohara? I haven't seen any new ones.