The Mike Dunlap Thread

Stun704 · Post #221 » by **Stun704** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:05 pm

Dunlap reminds me of Doug Collins, and thats a good thing

Stun704 · Post #222 » by **Stun704** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:06 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Just MHO but Drummond will not work well with a "No BS" coach. Some guys respond well to that ... but those are typically the ones who are serious already. Drummond strikes me as more of a free spirit.

Drummond would crumble

T-Rob,MKG,Barnes would all thrive

Kabookalu · Post #223 » by **Kabookalu** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:17 pm

Stun704 wrote:Dunlap reminds me of Doug Collins, and thats a good thing

In terms of getting the most out of their players I can see that, but let's not hope Dunlap is the same way Collins is because that would be very bad for this team. The problem with Collins is that he expects way too much out of his players and literally every single play of the game. Which is good for a veteran team like Philadelphia, but not one with so many youngsters like Charlotte. Although Kwame proved to be a bust, it may be Collins that ruined his career when his expectations for him were the same for a 10 year veteran in the league.

cornchip · Post #224 » by **cornchip** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:25 pm

I said it before and I'll say it again, it's good to be "No BS" and what have you. But the reality is that these guys are professionals. Not only professionals but professionals who get paid millions regardless of if the play 40 minutes or 4 minutes. It's just a different beast.

It is good that we will have a group of hard-working youngsters who want to get better (Kemba, Hendo, Bismack, MKG/TRob/Barnes) so maybe they will 'mesh' better with Dunlap and won't care about his credentials to coach them.

TheKingofSting · Post #225 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:58 pm

Now that the initial shock has worn off I am willing to give Coach Dunlap the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance. He has to be better than what we had last year at least he is a high energy guy and won't fall asleep during the games like Papa Silas.

FWIW Dunlap and MKG have the same agent.

captaincrunk · Post #226 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:14 pm

I think the "NO BS" approach works better in college because if a player rubs you the wrong way and doesn't get minutes he won't be able to play for money later, or at least it would be much more difficult. In the NBA you can ask for a trade.

Stun704 · Post #227 » by **Stun704** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:45 pm

No "BS" can work in the NBA as-long as you have players that would thrive in the situation, no divas.

captaincrunk · Post #228 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:46 pm

I'm just saying an NBA coach has less leverage over his best players. If he decreases their minutes, the fans call for his head.

Rich4114 · Post #229 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:03 pm

Not sure if anyone has figured this out yet, but I think our new head coach is James Woods

LionOfLannister · Post #230 » by **LionOfLannister** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:05 pm

Don't know much about him but he's got to be better than clowns like Snyder or Sloan.

captaincrunk · Post #231 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:06 pm

LionOfLannister wrote:Don't know much about him but he's got to be better than clowns like Snyder or Sloan.

crgreen · Post #232 » by **crgreen** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:25 pm

raleigh wrote:crgreen,

Do you mind me asking you how you are so familiar with Dunlap's coaching ability? If it's accurate, it reminds me of George Karl, which would explain his affection for Dunlap.

I've folllowed Mikes career since his playing days at Pierce College in 1976, then at Loyola Marymount.

I got to know him a bit during his 5 years as head coach at California Lutheren University (1989-1994 ( my nephew was a golf coach at Cal Lutheren). Then he left for the 4 year gig as a pro head coach in Australia. When he came back to take the HC job at Metro State, I followed pretty closely. For those that don't know, Metro State is in Denver. That's where he came to the attention of George Karl, tho he was already well known to Nuggets GM Kiki Vandeweghe - Kiki and Mike are contemporaries, and have known each other since their playing days at UCLA and Loyola Marymount in the late 70's.

I'm a die hard UCLA and Pac 8/10/12 conference fan. So I spent the next few years rooting against Mike's teams (but not him) while he was Associate Head Coach for Lute Olson and Ernie Kent.

Anyway, my reaction to this thread is the "not qualified" BS that's spread thruout it. Mike was a successful college head coach for 15 years. A pro head coach for 4 seasons. An NBA assistant for 3 years. A D-1 Associate Head coach for 4 years. And a college assistant coach for an additional 8 years. He's coached with two Hall of Fame coaches in Lute Olson and Gene Keady. And with George Karl, Steve Lavin, Ernie Kent, and George Raveling.

"Not qualified"? 35 years coach ing experience. 19 years as a head coach. Two time national "Coach of the Year". Two time NCAA Champion head coach. 4 years pro (albeit Aussie league) head coach. NBA assistant coach. He is FAR more qualified than either of the other two "finalists" - and unlike Quinn, never left a job in scandel and disgrace.

All that said, I don't think Mike is your long term solution. I see his pro career evolving into something like a hired-gun, will travel. 3-4 years in one place developing the young talent for struggling teams. The trouble will be that with success, the young, eager talent he works with to start his tenures will evolve into the same spoiled, self indulgent, self important kind of veteren talent we see on most NBA teams - and that will call for a different kind of head coach. Maybe Mike will evolve with his team - that's certainly a possiblity. But more likely there will be another team out there in need of his kind of "fix".

Charlotte needs a groundwork laid for success. It's not going to be an overnight process.

MPM · Post #233 » by **MPM** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:37 pm

sorry if someone has already posted this, but surprisingly positive piece on Dunlap by Andy Katz: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... basketball

Kabookalu · Post #234 » by **Kabookalu** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:57 pm

crgreen wrote:All that said, I don't think Mike is your long term solution. I see his pro career evolving into something like a hired-gun, will travel. 3-4 years in one place developing the young talent for struggling teams. The trouble will be that with success, the young, eager talent he works with to start his tenures will evolve into the same spoiled, self indulgent, self important kind of veteren talent we see on most NBA teams - and that will call for a different kind of head coach. Maybe Mike will evolve with his team - that's certainly a possiblity. But more likely there will be another team out there in need of his kind of "fix".

Charlotte needs a groundwork laid for success. It's not going to be an overnight process.

That's how I see this hiring as well too. He'll be here for only the duration of how much longer the young players are actually young.

bobcats3wallace · Post #235 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:19 pm

While I think it's very possible he will only be here to develop the players for a few years, and then when it's time for us to really start progressing, we will fire him; I also think he could stay. I think there is potential that he could grow with the team though. That's why I look at this as a win win. You know in the short term the guy is excellent at developing talent. He may not have a ton of NBA experience, but he does have a ton of college experience and this is basically a college team. As he progresses throughout the years, he could grow as a coach just as the team grows talent wise. So long run there is still that potential that he actually grows with the team and remains your coach. If not, you can easily get rid of him because he's not commanding a big deal.

I hope he can grow with this team, I think that would be really neat to see.

Post #236 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:11 am

I wonder how many years he'll be signed for?

2, 3, 4, 5?

Eoghan · Post #237 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:25 am

Stun704 wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Just MHO but Drummond will not work well with a "No BS" coach. Some guys respond well to that ... but those are typically the ones who are serious already. Drummond strikes me as more of a free spirit.

Drummond would crumble

T-Rob,MKG,Barnes would all thrive

Yeah, because Calhoun is a complete pussycat. :roll:

Seriously, can we stop psychoanalyzing people we've never met?

cornchip · Post #238 » by **cornchip** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:35 am

crgreen wrote:All that said, I don't think Mike is your long term solution. I see his pro career evolving into something like a hired-gun, will travel. 3-4 years in one place developing the young talent for struggling teams. The trouble will be that with success, the young, eager talent he works with to start his tenures will evolve into the same spoiled, self indulgent, self important kind of veteren talent we see on most NBA teams - and that will call for a different kind of head coach.

See now this is a bit ridiculous. First and foremost, Bobcats players probably already are what you called "spoiled, self indulgent, self important". Most of them are millionaires in their early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm willing to bet 80% of us on this board would be "spoiled, self indulgent, self important" too if given the same opportunities. Simply put, they get paid more than the coach and will get paid more than the coach unless something drastic happens. Therefore they already have all the leverage. And what are you going to do? Not play Hendo, Kemba, T-Rob, or 2013's #1 pick when they don't buy in? Trade them and get less value in return.

Mike Dunlap might be a great coach....hell, I'm praying he'll be a great coach. But this no nonsense approach or "perfect for a young team" approach is not flying with me.

captaincrunk · Post #239 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:51 am

BigSlam wrote:I wonder how many years he'll be signed for?

2, 3, 4, 5?

I doubt they'd sign a guy, any guy, for 5 years if it's his first contract with the team. They don't want to pay that out if things don't go well.

Post #240 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:54 am

captaincrunk wrote:
BigSlam wrote:I wonder how many years he'll be signed for?

2, 3, 4, 5?

I doubt they'd sign a guy, any guy, for 5 years if it's his first contract with the team. They don't want to pay that out if things don't go well.

I'm thinking the longer the contract, the less per year they will be paying which might make any eventual payout easier to swallow?