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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#221 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:06 pm

Nanogeek wrote:ESPN Insider article assessing the best and worst of the Vegas league so far. Obviously, can't copy lots of the article since its Insider but the good news is Cody Zeller is the top rookie player in the league so far and the bad news is MKG is the most disappointing "veteran" so far. Re: MKG, the author observed MKG's shooting mechanic is still as broken as ever (i.e., Mark Price hasn't had much impact yet) and he has had little impact on games though conceded he is still young and hopefully developing.


Apparently Pelton hasn't watched Dion Waiters.

Price can't fix a shot in 2 weeks. It may take 1-2 seasons.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#222 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:22 pm

Nanogeek wrote:ESPN Insider article assessing the best and worst of the Vegas league so far. Obviously, can't copy lots of the article since its Insider but the good news is Cody Zeller is the top rookie player in the league so far and the bad news is MKG is the most disappointing "veteran" so far. Re: MKG, the author observed MKG's shooting mechanic is still as broken as ever (i.e., Mark Price hasn't had much impact yet) and he has had little impact on games though conceded he is still young and hopefully developing.


MKG is averaging 11 points on 54% FG. I would say that he's been solid. Nobody's expecting him to be a prolific scorer, at least they shouldn't
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#223 » by Kembastockton » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:55 pm

You guys know espn. They have just got to find something negative to say about the Bobcats. Even they don't know why. They just gotta. :wink:
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#224 » by fatlever » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:42 pm

seems ESPN is only watching one end of the floor. MKG has been playing some really good defense in summer league. and we havent needed him to rebound much with biz and zeller grabbing everything that comes off the rim.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#225 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:11 pm

Summer League players: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly so far

LAS VEGAS — As we enter the tournament phase of Summer League, it is pretty much the halfway point, which seems a good time to take stock of some of the player evaluation and development that is really the focus out in Las Vegas.

And when you talk player evaluation, you should always try to use a Clint Eastwood movie theme. It’s one of the Web’s golden rules… or it should be. We almost went with “The Bridges of Madison County,” but at the last minute went with “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.”

THE GOOD

Cody Zeller, Charlotte Bobcats. I’ll admit it, I thought the Bobcats missed on this when they grabbed him at No. 4. Turns out he’s been the best rookie at Summer League (in my estimation, he is at least in the conversation). He played primarily in the post in college but with the Bobcats next season Al Jefferson owns the post, so Zeller has been working to be more of a midrange, stretchy type four — and he’s shown a real skill for it. He’s averaged 15.7 points and 9.3 rebounds a game, has a decent midrange game and is a pretty deft passer.

Jonas Valanciunas, Toronto Raptors. He is probably the most improved veteran at the tournament and it’s all about his physique — the skinny kid out of Europe has worked out and filled out his upper body, and with that he’s been a man among boys in the paint at Summer League. He has been a force on both ends of the court. We’ll see how that translates when he starts playing against men again, but Masai Ujiri has got one key piece from the Bryan Colangelo era that can be part of the future here.

Andrew Goudelock, Chicago Bulls. If after three games there was a vote for Summer League MVP, Goudelock would probably get the win. That’s a fairly dubious honor, but Goudelock has a game built for Summer League — he can score. He had a 31-point game to show that off, he is averaging 22.7 points per game and is hitting 60 percent of his three pointers. He can score off the bounce, on the catch-and-shoot, he has crazy range and hasn’t seen a shot he doesn’t like. There’s a reason Lakers fans called him mini-Mamba — he will take shots just like the big Mamba. He is a disinterested defender, but his scoring at Summer League will remind GMs of how he can fill it up and that should get him an NBA contract somewhere.

(Note: There are a lot of other players who could have made the good category such as Dennis Schröder, John Henson and Ray McCallum, but I just pulled out the big three.)

THE BAD

Jan Vesely, Washington Wizards. Maybe bad is too harsh a term here, he has shown improvement on the offensive end. It’s clearly working on his game a little. But his defense is still unimpressive, particularly in transition. As Wizards Summer League coach Sam Cassell told PBT, he just expects more out of Vesely, and I think we all do. He needs to make a jump with his game or the Wizards have to think about what’s next.

Otto Porter, Washington Wizards. His game is just not a good fit with Summer League, on top of that Cassell and the Wizards’ brass want to see what kind of player they have so he has played the one, two, three and four spots. He’s smooth, he makes smart decisions, I think in the season when he gets a more defined role and in a less pickup style 5-on-5 he will look better. But not a great time in Vegas from him.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte Bobcats. He has the athleticism and kind of determined game that should show better in Summer League, but if you’re a guy who works off the ball in a showcase league where point guards what to get noticed, you don’t always get the looks you want. The result is he floats through games and just hasn’t impressed.

THE UGLY

Dion Waiters, Cleveland Cavaliers. He’s shooting 29.5 percent in Summer League and turning the ball over a lot. He’s better than this, he showed it in games that mattered last year, but his Summer League has not been good.

(Summer League is supposed to be a little ugly, so we’re not going to pile on a bunch of guys here.)

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ly-so-far/


I don't understand why it's being reported by multiple sources that MKG is playing 'bad' in summer league play. Why? because he's not averaging 20 points?
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#226 » by hhvo » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:08 pm

Obviously, these reporters/writers are only looking at the stats and not watching the entire games.

Yes, MKG's shot is still broken but he's taking a lot of jumpshots (way beyond the norm for him) and making a good percentage. Mark Price might not make a major impact at the moment but you can't deny there isn't a postive influence even if it's a confident boost.

And as the article stated, its a PG league showcase.
1) They are more selfish
2) Our summer league PGs don't have the court vision like those that are already in the NBA. MKG strive in transition, fastbreak, and cutting so he probably wont get many looks.

I don't care what they say, I'm impress with MKG. He's playing great D and look confident shooting the ball.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#227 » by HornetJail » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:13 pm

MKG should just run the point. He'd be better at it than any other PG on our summer league roster- dead serious.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#228 » by catch20two » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:19 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Summer League players: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly so far

LAS VEGAS — As we enter the tournament phase of Summer League, it is pretty much the halfway point, which seems a good time to take stock of some of the player evaluation and development that is really the focus out in Las Vegas.

And when you talk player evaluation, you should always try to use a Clint Eastwood movie theme. It’s one of the Web’s golden rules… or it should be. We almost went with “The Bridges of Madison County,” but at the last minute went with “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.”

THE GOOD

Cody Zeller, Charlotte Bobcats. I’ll admit it, I thought the Bobcats missed on this when they grabbed him at No. 4. Turns out he’s been the best rookie at Summer League (in my estimation, he is at least in the conversation). He played primarily in the post in college but with the Bobcats next season Al Jefferson owns the post, so Zeller has been working to be more of a midrange, stretchy type four — and he’s shown a real skill for it. He’s averaged 15.7 points and 9.3 rebounds a game, has a decent midrange game and is a pretty deft passer.

Jonas Valanciunas, Toronto Raptors. He is probably the most improved veteran at the tournament and it’s all about his physique — the skinny kid out of Europe has worked out and filled out his upper body, and with that he’s been a man among boys in the paint at Summer League. He has been a force on both ends of the court. We’ll see how that translates when he starts playing against men again, but Masai Ujiri has got one key piece from the Bryan Colangelo era that can be part of the future here.

Andrew Goudelock, Chicago Bulls. If after three games there was a vote for Summer League MVP, Goudelock would probably get the win. That’s a fairly dubious honor, but Goudelock has a game built for Summer League — he can score. He had a 31-point game to show that off, he is averaging 22.7 points per game and is hitting 60 percent of his three pointers. He can score off the bounce, on the catch-and-shoot, he has crazy range and hasn’t seen a shot he doesn’t like. There’s a reason Lakers fans called him mini-Mamba — he will take shots just like the big Mamba. He is a disinterested defender, but his scoring at Summer League will remind GMs of how he can fill it up and that should get him an NBA contract somewhere.

(Note: There are a lot of other players who could have made the good category such as Dennis Schröder, John Henson and Ray McCallum, but I just pulled out the big three.)

THE BAD

Jan Vesely, Washington Wizards. Maybe bad is too harsh a term here, he has shown improvement on the offensive end. It’s clearly working on his game a little. But his defense is still unimpressive, particularly in transition. As Wizards Summer League coach Sam Cassell told PBT, he just expects more out of Vesely, and I think we all do. He needs to make a jump with his game or the Wizards have to think about what’s next.

Otto Porter, Washington Wizards. His game is just not a good fit with Summer League, on top of that Cassell and the Wizards’ brass want to see what kind of player they have so he has played the one, two, three and four spots. He’s smooth, he makes smart decisions, I think in the season when he gets a more defined role and in a less pickup style 5-on-5 he will look better. But not a great time in Vegas from him.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte Bobcats. He has the athleticism and kind of determined game that should show better in Summer League, but if you’re a guy who works off the ball in a showcase league where point guards what to get noticed, you don’t always get the looks you want. The result is he floats through games and just hasn’t impressed.

THE UGLY

Dion Waiters, Cleveland Cavaliers. He’s shooting 29.5 percent in Summer League and turning the ball over a lot. He’s better than this, he showed it in games that mattered last year, but his Summer League has not been good.

(Summer League is supposed to be a little ugly, so we’re not going to pile on a bunch of guys here.)

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ly-so-far/


I don't understand why it's being reported by multiple sources that MKG is playing 'bad' in summer league play. Why? because he's not averaging 20 points?


I like how the reporter tried to throw Schröder in the honorable mentions of "good" even though he's only averaging 7 points on 29 FG% and 23 3P% but act like MKG is playing "bad". Just because MKG isn't wowing folks in Vegas that doesn't mean that he's playing bad. They need to revoke his journalism degree if has one.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#229 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:38 am

assist watch 2013 is on right now, mclemore vs shabazz. midway thru 2nd quarter, neither has an assist. mclemore has 0 for the summer, bazz has 2.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#230 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:46 am

Damn. Sacramento is getting slaughtered.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#231 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:58 am

bazz got an assist. still waiting on ben.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#232 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:20 am

McLemore looking pretty horrid right now. 0-7 from the field, 0-4 from 3.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#233 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:22 am

Shabazz is ballin' on McLemore!
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#234 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:29 am

Don't say I didn't tell you guys McLemore was going to flop and Shabazz was going to shine in the NBA!
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Post#235 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:32 am

Brandon Paul looking good in this game... Just a really a solid guard

Also, another Illinois guard Demetri Mccammey is playing pretty well for Twolves... I would hope we take a look at both guys
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#236 » by Diop » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:40 am

I will admit I wanted McLemore for a fair while leading up to the draft.

Its starting to look like that might have to go into next years "I admit I was wrong" thread
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#237 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:42 am

I know the Kings are kicking themselves for not talking McCollum instead of McLemore. They needed a confident PG like him.
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Post#238 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:51 am

http://www.nba.com/news/2013-summer-lea ... index.html

Here is a link to the playoff bracket
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Post#239 » by Diop » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:51 am

catch20two wrote:I know the Kings are kicking themselves for not talking McCollum instead of McLemore. They needed a confident PG like him.

they were trying to trade up for McLemore, so I'm sure they are happy to wait and see.
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Re: 2013 general summer league thread 

Post#240 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:11 am

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catch20two wrote:I know the Kings are kicking themselves for not talking McCollum instead of McLemore. They needed a confident PG like him.

they were trying to trade up for McLemore, so I'm sure they are happy to wait and see.

There's no way you can be happy when you draft a guy who hasn't show much more than the ability to shoot 3s and watch him shoot 5 for 28 on 18% at it all the while turning the ball over at a rapid pace almost every time he dribbled (3.7 TO) without a single assist. Discouraged is the word.
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