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The past 6 games w/out Jefferson, the core starters (Kemba, Hendo, MKG & Biz + Cody & Marvin) are posting some impressive defensive numbers.
Drtg - 4-Man Lineup
78.9 - Biz, MKG, Marvin, Hendo
79.2 - Biz, MKG, Marvin, Kemba
88.1 - MKG, Kemba, Hendo, Marvin
89.3 - MKG, Kemba, Hendo, Cody
92.0 - Biz, Hendo, Kemba, Marin
92.1 - Biz, MKG, Kemba, Hendo
92.5 - Biz, MKG, Hendo, Cody
95.5 - Biz, MKG, Kemba, Cody
100.9 - Biz, Hendo, Kemba, Cody
Dtrg - 5-Man Lineup
77.1 - Biz, MKG, Hendo, Kemba, Marvin
94.8 - Biz, MKG, Hendo, Kemba, Cody
Overall Drtg over past 6 games 98.2 (obviously dragged down by Neal, Roberts, PJ and Max), Dtrg was 104.0 with Al
Pace 96.12, Pace was 94.77 with Al
Oh, and our Ortg is also slightly improved from 98.4 to 99.4.
Amazing we are able to post these kinds of numbers with our bench - Neal, Roberts and PJ - playing as awful as they have recently.
Drtg - 4-Man Lineup
78.9 - Biz, MKG, Marvin, Hendo
79.2 - Biz, MKG, Marvin, Kemba
88.1 - MKG, Kemba, Hendo, Marvin
89.3 - MKG, Kemba, Hendo, Cody
92.0 - Biz, Hendo, Kemba, Marin
92.1 - Biz, MKG, Kemba, Hendo
92.5 - Biz, MKG, Hendo, Cody
95.5 - Biz, MKG, Kemba, Cody
100.9 - Biz, Hendo, Kemba, Cody
Dtrg - 5-Man Lineup
77.1 - Biz, MKG, Hendo, Kemba, Marvin
94.8 - Biz, MKG, Hendo, Kemba, Cody
Overall Drtg over past 6 games 98.2 (obviously dragged down by Neal, Roberts, PJ and Max), Dtrg was 104.0 with Al
Pace 96.12, Pace was 94.77 with Al
Oh, and our Ortg is also slightly improved from 98.4 to 99.4.
Amazing we are able to post these kinds of numbers with our bench - Neal, Roberts and PJ - playing as awful as they have recently.
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fats, where do you pull game by game dratings from?
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stats.nba.com - they have tons of filters and settings to play with.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766 ... /advanced/
start here and then use the filters to narrow down a date range of games.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766 ... /advanced/
start here and then use the filters to narrow down a date range of games.
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yosemiteben wrote:fats, where do you pull game by game dratings from?
you just have to mess around with the filters at stats.nba.com
go either the "last X games" route or one from specific date to another one to capture the exact games you want to.

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MKG has the highest rebound percentage of any wing in the NBA.
Humble yourself.
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/555401709342969856[/tweet]
#spacing loses 4th quarters?
#spacing loses 4th quarters?

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mrknowitall215 wrote:[tweet]http://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/555401709342969856[/tweet]
#spacing loses 4th quarters?
I think it's incredible that we've had 24 fourth quarter leads
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gehenherzog wrote:I think it's incredible that we've had 24 fourth quarter leads
I think it shows that we're a better team than the record indicates, but Clifford's lineups & strategy down the stretch always leave a lot to be desired and/or a lot to rant about

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mrknowitall215 wrote:gehenherzog wrote:I think it's incredible that we've had 24 fourth quarter leads
I think it shows that we're a better team than the record indicates, but Clifford's lineups & strategy down the stretch always leave a lot to be desired and/or a lot to rant about
I think it also goes back to the whole Al thing. We are not blowing these leads now like we were. With Al we dump the ball down and stand and watch. Al goes to work against double teams, and he likes to juke and avoid contact and if you notice he will start shooting jump shots late in games. We know Al doesn't like contact and for these reasons he is not effective. Now with him out, our guys are sc reening, moving, and attacking the basket. This is leading to us getting better shots, layups at times, or getting guys to the free throw line. That is how you close games out. Defenses are aggressive when behind, leads to overplay, leaving open lanes. Once the aggressive defense breaks down it is layup or foul time, either way is easy points in securing victory. When Al has the ball and our guys aren't aggressive, the defense can collapse which clogs the lane and it makes it easy on them to get the ball and go
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stinger14 wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:gehenherzog wrote:I think it's incredible that we've had 24 fourth quarter leads
I think it shows that we're a better team than the record indicates, but Clifford's lineups & strategy down the stretch always leave a lot to be desired and/or a lot to rant about
I think it also goes back to the whole Al thing. We are not blowing these leads now like we were. With Al we dump the ball down and stand and watch. Al goes to work against double teams, and he likes to juke and avoid contact and if you notice he will start shooting jump shots late in games. We know Al doesn't like contact and for these reasons he is not effective. Now with him out, our guys are sc reening, moving, and attacking the basket. This is leading to us getting better shots, layups at times, or getting guys to the free throw line. That is how you close games out. Defenses are aggressive when behind, leads to overplay, leaving open lanes. Once the aggressive defense breaks down it is layup or foul time, either way is easy points in securing victory. When Al has the ball and our guys aren't aggressive, the defense can collapse which clogs the lane and it makes it easy on them to get the ball and go
Jefferson's pick-and-roll defense down the stretch is certainly a detriment that made our 4th quarter leads difficult to remain sustainable, but it hasn't been the only Achilles' heel. Also there's Clifford's stubbornness to keep the 2nd unit in too long into the 4th quarter, and Clifford's more than occasional belief in playing small ball aka #spacing by having players like Gary Neal/Marvin Williams in the game instead of MKG/Henderson/Zeller

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gehenherzog wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:[tweet]http://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/555401709342969856[/tweet]
#spacing loses 4th quarters?
I think it's incredible that we've had 24 fourth quarter leads
This right here shows how good this team can be, and we're going to get better. We should all be excited.
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mrknowitall215 wrote:stinger14 wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:
I think it shows that we're a better team than the record indicates, but Clifford's lineups & strategy down the stretch always leave a lot to be desired and/or a lot to rant about
I think it also goes back to the whole Al thing. We are not blowing these leads now like we were. With Al we dump the ball down and stand and watch. Al goes to work against double teams, and he likes to juke and avoid contact and if you notice he will start shooting jump shots late in games. We know Al doesn't like contact and for these reasons he is not effective. Now with him out, our guys are sc reening, moving, and attacking the basket. This is leading to us getting better shots, layups at times, or getting guys to the free throw line. That is how you close games out. Defenses are aggressive when behind, leads to overplay, leaving open lanes. Once the aggressive defense breaks down it is layup or foul time, either way is easy points in securing victory. When Al has the ball and our guys aren't aggressive, the defense can collapse which clogs the lane and it makes it easy on them to get the ball and go
Jefferson's pick-and-roll defense down the stretch is certainly a detriment that made our 4th quarter leads difficult to remain sustainable, but it hasn't been the only Achilles' heel. Also there's Clifford's stubbornness to keep the 2nd unit in too long into the 4th quarter, and Clifford's more than occasional belief in playing small ball aka #spacing by having players like Gary Neal/Marvin Williams in the game instead of MKG/Henderson/Zeller
I agree with about his defense also hurting us and teams take advantage of that. I also agree on the lineup comment, but I think that goes back to what I was saying. When we dump down to Al, and this is what we do, then everybody stands and watches. Clifford is trying to compensate for collapsing defenses by putting shooters around the floor so defenses don't collapse on Al. However, the problem is that we don't have consistent shooters and teams don't fear the kick out by Al, thus the plan backfires. Without Al, defenses don't collapse because the ball isnt dumped into the paint, it is handled by the ballhandlers up top. Defenses then know they gotta come out and be aggressive since they are behind. That's when you get fouls, overplay leading to open lanes and layups or desperation fouls.
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stinger14 wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:stinger14 wrote:
I think it also goes back to the whole Al thing. We are not blowing these leads now like we were. With Al we dump the ball down and stand and watch. Al goes to work against double teams, and he likes to juke and avoid contact and if you notice he will start shooting jump shots late in games. We know Al doesn't like contact and for these reasons he is not effective. Now with him out, our guys are sc reening, moving, and attacking the basket. This is leading to us getting better shots, layups at times, or getting guys to the free throw line. That is how you close games out. Defenses are aggressive when behind, leads to overplay, leaving open lanes. Once the aggressive defense breaks down it is layup or foul time, either way is easy points in securing victory. When Al has the ball and our guys aren't aggressive, the defense can collapse which clogs the lane and it makes it easy on them to get the ball and go
Jefferson's pick-and-roll defense down the stretch is certainly a detriment that made our 4th quarter leads difficult to remain sustainable, but it hasn't been the only Achilles' heel. Also there's Clifford's stubbornness to keep the 2nd unit in too long into the 4th quarter, and Clifford's more than occasional belief in playing small ball aka #spacing by having players like Gary Neal/Marvin Williams in the game instead of MKG/Henderson/Zeller
I agree with about his defense also hurting us and teams take advantage of that. I also agree on the lineup comment, but I think that goes back to what I was saying. When we dump down to Al, and this is what we do, then everybody stands and watches. Clifford is trying to compensate for collapsing defenses by putting shooters around the floor so defenses don't collapse on Al. However, the problem is that we don't have consistent shooters and teams don't fear the kick out by Al, thus the plan backfires. Without Al, defenses don't collapse because the ball isnt dumped into the paint, it is handled by the ballhandlers up top. Defenses then know they gotta come out and be aggressive since they are behind. That's when you get fouls, overplay leading to open lanes and layups or desperation fouls.
Agreed. I think it's commonly known that most teams score less in the 4th quarter than any other quarter because that's the time when pressure mounts and opposing defenses bite down. We probably aren't in the better half of offensively talented teams in the NBA, so of course we'll go 2-3 possessions without scoring, and at those moments I think Clifford panics & overreact to the moment instead of sticking to the team's strength in which is defense. I hate 'Alfense' just as much as the next, but it has it's benefits when there is a mismatch or when Jefferson is clicking on all cylinders. However, as you've stated, 'Alfense' shouldn't be a go-to strategy, instead it should be a situational strategy for whenever the matchup is advantageous
Also, Clifford should create a habit of making offense/defense substitutions during stoppages down the stretch with Jefferson & Biyombo whenever Jefferson is being exploited

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If Kevin Love can get benched by a rookie head coach for poor defense in the 4th quarter, then certainly Jefferson isn't above getting benched.
We could we so good if we could simply reduce Al's minutes so that he is more willing to foul, run less plays for Al, have him set real screens or not be involved in the screens at all and hold him accountable when his defense is causing problems.
All of those things are easy fixes.
We could we so good if we could simply reduce Al's minutes so that he is more willing to foul, run less plays for Al, have him set real screens or not be involved in the screens at all and hold him accountable when his defense is causing problems.
All of those things are easy fixes.
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We have now successfully displaced Philly as the number one team in the NBA at missing 3 point shots. We miss 69.2% of the threes we take, making just 30.8%. Fortunately we are bottom five in the league in 3PTA.
Surprising stat of the day - WAS takes over two less threes per game than we do, despite being 4th in league in 3PT%. They need a Morey lesson.
Surprising stat of the day - WAS takes over two less threes per game than we do, despite being 4th in league in 3PT%. They need a Morey lesson.
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Random stat of the day - Charlotte opponents shoot a higher percentage at the free throw line than any other team's opponents. Weird.
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yosemiteben wrote:Random stat of the day - Charlotte opponents shoot a higher percentage at the free throw line than any other team's opponents. Weird.
we must be bottom in the league in FT% differential if that exists
investigate Adam Silver
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The 6 main players that have encompassed our roster over the last two years. A large enough sample size. I went ahead and considered tonight a loss, doesn't really matter one way or the other.
The 14-15 and 13-14 columns are their on court for each year. Then the total on and off are their total for each year. Diff is difference in win percentage for on and off court. I guess ON and OFF should more be Played and Didn't play.
Way to go Mr. 48 Million Dollar Man.

The 14-15 and 13-14 columns are their on court for each year. Then the total on and off are their total for each year. Diff is difference in win percentage for on and off court. I guess ON and OFF should more be Played and Didn't play.
Way to go Mr. 48 Million Dollar Man.








