Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

[RealHusky]

Isiah Thomas is one of the worst people to have on your side in this argument. He ran the Knicks into the ground.

And Kenny smith who cares he's a tv show hype man. Just because he commented on lin having a good game after a good game means nothing. I mean the guy beside him is charles barkley who is typically uninformed about the modern nba.

Jarrett jack was a better shooter unquestionably. He shot over 40% from 3s twice. He averaged 7.4 ast this year at age 32 which is more than double what lin averaged (3.0) this year. If jeremy lin gets 7 assists it's a lead story on ESPN and it gets retweeted 18,792 times in all 24 timezones before I can finish reading the article.


It's a very suitable comparison. Hes a solid yet somewhat forgettable journeyman if he's not an Asian no-name overnight sensation from harvard whose doing it in New York bright lights.

If this was a black guy from University of Maryland who got hot for 2 weeks in Milwaukee while Khris Middleton was hurt and they won a few games we would not still be talking about him incessantly five years later. Thats just reality. He'd be comparable to Jarrett Jack in terms of attention. Solid, not spectacular. Can help you win a few games but not a guy anyone would build their roster around, make posters for, or be excited for his bobble head night.

Reading your comments make my head hurt. Thank god you are not a NBA GM. If you are, it would be equivalent of a NBA team being run by a kindergartner. Frankly, a kindergartner got more clue about Lin than you do.

[RealHusky]

First of all, Jeremy did not play that bad in Game 6. Yes he did not shot well, but he still contributed 8 points and played solid defense. I noticed no one is saying anything about Marvin/Lee's combined 2 points effort in huge minutes. I will say this though, basketball is a team sport. Blaming Lin for GM 6 loss shows some people are clueless about basketball. It is not all on Jeremy Lin to win this game. ISO Kemba will lose game 7 if that's the route Hornets will take. I don't care if Kemba shot 30 times and score 50 points. Marvin/Lee need to bring more than 2 points. Lin need to play solid and he needs to have the ball more in his hand. Hornets need to move the ball and play team ball to have a chance in game 7.

[rallydurham]

First of all I've forgotten more about basketball than you've ever known.

Just because you live in a fantasy world does not make me rehashing the facts incorrect. No one is blaming lin for the loss, but clearly he was a huge negative in game 6 for us. That's what makes the Lin crowd so delusional. If he's net positive in one game and then equally net negative the next his overall effect is a net zero. Which is a reasonably accurate depiction of Lin. He's much closer to being a net zero impact player than he is a great player.

That's just reality and it's why he's paid and given a role commensurate to his skill level. He's on the downside of his career. He had a nice run. Outperformed even the wildest of anyones expectations. It doesn't matter how many points you score, if you dont shoot efficiently that's bad. Lin is not a highly efficient scorer, period. And that's why he's going to be relegated to supporting roles for the rest of his career in all likelihood. He is an average player on both ends of the court.

Good players are held to a much higher standard than Lin. He certainly has the capability of having good games. But if he were going to breakout we would have seen it by now in all likelihood. He just doesn't have the requisite skills and hes reached the age where his athleticism is going to decline. He doesn't have a reliable jump shot or enough ballhandling chops to afford that.

Over the next 2-3 seasons i would expect a precipitous drop-off in his fg% and ast:to ratio. Neither of which can afford much more decline. He will most likely be out of the league by age 31 or 32 barring an absolutely stunning improvement in his jumper. This is just the way things work. Basketball ain't an old man's game.

It's not impossible for him to re-invent himself but hes bouncing around the league like a beach ball at a nickelback concert right now. Next year will likely be his 6th team in what 7 seasons?

I feel like I'm telling you there's no Santa Claus or something just discussing basic historical career arcs. Not everyone is Steve Nash or Tim Duncan. There are going to be a lot of new point guards entering the league hungry for a roster spot over the next four years. It doesn't take a whole lot to go from rotation cog to waivers. As hard as he worked to make the league, he will have to fight just that hard to hang on. His star power can be a double edged sword in that regard. Some teams might want the allure. Others won't like the distraction.

[rallydurham]

For the record I've got jeremy lin going 4-7 fg and 11 pts, 4 ast, 1 to today and then he signs with stan van gundy in the MOTOR CITY to backup Reggie jackson and mercifully end Steve Blake's career. 2 yrs and $10m. He gives them 1 solid year and 1 blah one.

He gets a 1 year veteran minimum in Portland and really gets into the keep Portland weird motto and grows a fu Manchu. The next year he goes to Asia to work on his business ventures and signs with no overseas team in a player/ambassador capacity. He also becomes big in league of legends coverage. By age 40 he is media mogul and buys a piece of the golden state warriors.

[Flip Murray]

First of all I've forgotten more about basketball than you've ever known.

First of all, Jeremy did not play that bad in Game 6. Yes he did not shot well, but he still contributed 8 points and played solid defense. I noticed no one is saying anything about Marvin/Lee's combined 2 points effort in huge minutes. I will say this though, basketball is a team sport. Blaming Lin for GM 6 loss shows some people are clueless about basketball. It is not all on Jeremy Lin to win this game. ISO Kemba will lose game 7 if that's the route Hornets will take. I don't care if Kemba shot 30 times and score 50 points. Marvin/Lee need to bring more than 2 points. Lin need to play solid and he needs to have the ball more in his hand. Hornets need to move the ball and play team ball to have a chance in game 7.

You're both being a little ridiculous.

[rallydurham]

Nothing i said was ridiculous. People in Portland are very, very weird. My posts are always grounded in fact when i evaluate a players past performance. And they are grounded in basic player evaluation models and historical norms when i discuss their likely future performance. Of course some guys will veer from projections but people love to cite outliers like nash and then just assume some rando like jeremy Lin is gonna play well til 40 and win the mvp out of nowhere just like nash

[uballer]

For the record I've got jeremy lin going 4-7 fg and 11 pts, 4 ast, 1 to today and then he signs with stan van gundy in the MOTOR CITY to backup Reggie jackson and mercifully end Steve Blake's career. 2 yrs and $10m. He gives them 1 solid year and 1 blah one.

He gets a 1 year veteran minimum in Portland and really gets into the keep Portland weird motto and grows a fu Manchu. The next year he goes to Asia to work on his business ventures and signs with no overseas team in a player/ambassador capacity. He also becomes big in league of legends coverage. By age 40 he is media mogul and buys a piece of the golden state warriors.

It seems that you come to this forum with a non-basketball related agenda.

[Vae Victus]

RallyDurham is a Lin hater who's trying to hide his hate with a "cloak of reasonability", although its starting to fray. Lin fans here should've had plenty of experience with his type and just ignore him. Yea, Lin has his 1st terrible game of the postseason and all of a sudden this guy just shows up talking smack and essentially saying how Lin is only backup a decent one at BEST, and then say garbage that he'll get a 2 year 8-10 mil deal after this season and he'll be lucky to even get that AND while acknowledging Lin's marketing potential in. It's just hilariously obvious he's hating while trying to keep himself in check.

Uhh if u really follow bball, good backups get more than that and this is before the cap jump. Easily MLE level money and Lin this year has proven he doesnt need to be ball dominant to do well, has "turned" in a plus defender at both guard spots (in all honesty his D hasnt changed at all its just he's in a real defensive system with players who try hard unlike LAL/HOU), and is clearly an impact player even if he doesnt pile up a bunch of gaudy counting stats, factors which were all major question marks in the past. The CHA wins were quite clear in that Lin can do alot even if he's not dropping 30 points Linsanity style. Any coach would love to have a player like Lin who plays hard, perfect "good boy" lockerroom presence, wants to move the ball, doesnt chuck up bad shots when he's cold, plays D, and is willing to sell out his body at all times even when calls dont go his way.

Lin is EASILY gonna get 8 mil a year contract as a top notch backup combo guard, due to his listed improvements and of course the cap jump, even if he lays another egg. If Lin shows up big in Game 7 *crosses fingers* and proceeds to have another good series vs TOR (which signs point to yes due to how's he torched em this year), his contract can bump up to the 10-12 mil range and a GM on a decent team willing to give him a starting spot.

Also no need to backtrack on your salary figures saying, "well ok he can get a few more million due to the cap jump", you've long invalidated yourself saying that Lin has similar impact to Jack as a comparison and Jack already makes 6.5 mil a year pre cap jump. Just bow out of the thread already, most people with better self control than me in not responding to an obvious troll, are already shaking their heads at how much time you must have to jump into a Lin thread trying to stir **** up.

Anyway, back to the game.

If the team plays Kemba isoball again theyre gonna lose. Kemba and Lin NEED to get the shooters and other players rolling, sadly the team is so depleted in size Blackhole Al is gonna get a shitton of mins and do his damndest to ballstop the hell out of the ball in vain efforts to score for everytime he gives up an easy bucket for his **** defense.

[rallydurham]

I have no idea what you're talking about all i talk about is basketball. I don't think I've ever followed it closer than this year since I've had more time to do so. I will admit I watched some of the nfl draft.

I like lin. It's certainly possible he gets more money. My prediction is 2 yrs $10-12. But it wouldn't shock me if someone gave him 2/$16. Its very hard to predict how it will all shake out with the cap jump. I cant see him getting $10m/yr though or a starting job. That ship has sailed in all likelihood. In my opinion, the cap jump will benefit the young players and the elite players the most. Then a bidding war for the second tier free agents. I don't expect the aging guys who are in danger of losing their spots in rotation to get giant outsized deals. But it only takes two teams to like a guy to drive his price up. And this is certainly a good year to be a free agent. He just hasn't had some breakout season, his numbers are actually down across the board and several teams have already moved on from him.

Im not anti-Lin. I am a Lin fan. I was very pleased when we signed him. I hope he drops 30 tonight. I just try to be objective and realistic and most Lin fans are on planet Neptune so sometimes when i post from Earth they read into things that truly aren't there

[PG13]

The quality of this thread has gone downhill in the past couple of days. Some random people have emerged to stir the pot. I tried to report attack/criticisms on Lin fans but the mod decided to do nothing.

Oh well, the season is almost over and this could be Lin's last game in a Hornets jersey. Hope he'll have another great game and take us to the second round. I think he has already showcased himself well enough for the next contract, be it with the Hornets or otherwise.

[JohnStockton]

So wait, Rally is saying Lin only has one solid year left in him?

Okay, that's just ridiculous.

[rallydurham]

He will be 30. There's absolutely nothing ridiculous about predicting him to drop off.

I would be SHOCKED IF he's in the league at age 34. I would be surprised if he's in the league at age 33. I would bet a small amount that he's not on an active 12 man roster at age 32

[Flip Murray]

He will be 30. There's absolutely nothing ridiculous about predicting him to drop off.

I would be SHOCKED IF he's in the league at age 34. I would be surprised if he's in the league at age 33. I would bet a small amount that he's not on an active 12 man roster at age 32

dude he's 27

[JohnStockton]

He will be 30. There's absolutely nothing ridiculous about predicting him to drop off.

I would be SHOCKED IF he's in the league at age 34. I would be surprised if he's in the league at age 33. I would bet a small amount that he's not on an active 12 man roster at age 32

Jeremy is 27 right now--he is at his physical peak.

Next season he'll be 28 and still at his peak. You're saying that he will have a solid season at this age. That makes sense.

But then you're somehow saying that Lin will no longer be a solid player at the age of 29, even though he will still be at his peak. Let's make it clear that you did not make it your main point that Lin would have a natural athletic drop-off at 29--instead you specifically said that he would have a "blah season," at 29--and then somehow drop off a cliff and become a vet-min player at 30.

This last bit of logic is ridiculous, and believing in it gives the impression of someone who has huge bias or knows nothing about basketball. Athletic guards do not suddenly drop off a cliff at 30 and become vet-min players. That is hyperbole in thought--just stupidity. Check yourself before others do.

[SWedd523]

rally, the guy who thinks Winslow is a future HOF player, thinks Lin is 30, thinks Isiah Thomas is a bum, and said "I've forgotten more about basketball than you'll know".


my new least favorite poster

[RealHusky]

He will be 30. There's absolutely nothing ridiculous about predicting him to drop off.

I would be SHOCKED IF he's in the league at age 34. I would be surprised if he's in the league at age 33. I would bet a small amount that he's not on an active 12 man roster at age 32

I will take the kindergarten comment back. You are worse than that. You are equivalent of a some dude in the veggie state trying to play virtual GM. Seriously, anyone who takes your babbling seriously is just a freaking moron.

[RealHusky]

Hornets were down huge before Clifford put Lin back. This is some seriously horrible coaching. Kemba is getting killed on D by Dragic and Clifford left Lin on the bench. Kemba/Batum combo is just not working at all. Kemba needs to play PG and he is not a real PG so it is just asking for too much. Lin is a way better defender than Kemba and he should have been on Dragic the whole time. I hope there is a comeback left but this is getting late.

[renmei]

urg I already know this thread is gonna be ugly as hell after this ass-whooping so I'm bailing out until/unless Lin resigns with the Hornets.. Hornets bros, I believe Lin easily outplayed his 2 mil contract and helped win ya'll several games that were going to be losses including 2 playoff games and prevented an embarrassing sweep. Hope you can distinguish between the player and some of his more anno- err passionate fans and thanks for letting him rebuild his value after the Lakers fiasco. My fellow Lin fans.. I never got the point of arguing with the team's long-time fans. Keep the koolaid on the lin boards and stop trying to turn topic to him.

[2k15]

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[qiantom]

Cliff has been a really good coach and good for Lin as well. The only complaint I have against him is that he does not give Lin enough time in the first half to get him going. So his stints off the bench are often hit or miss. On the contrary, when Lin starts usually because one of Kemba and Batum cannot play, he usually can get into a rhythm and his production has been very good.