Fake Trade Thread

BeesWax · Post #221 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:26 pm

I am not giving up our pick to not upgrade our team. If we give up the pick we need an immediate upgrade in talent.

MasterIchiro · Post #222 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:30 pm

jdm3 wrote:I am not giving up our pick to not upgrade our team. If we give up the pick we need an immediate upgrade in talent.

I agree and highly doubt anyone here disagrees.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #223 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:31 pm

Whiteside regularly generates drama. He has downsides. Further he's kind of like Dwight in wanting to be the focus on offense. He's a better individual defender than Zeller, but he's not going to bring the kind of team play Zeller is good at. His single biggest plus is that he's healthy.

Winslow shoots 3s but somehow manages to be worse on offense than MKG.

Neither of those guys is worth a pick to me individually or together.

MasterIchiro · Post #224 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:31 pm

Dwight + pick 11 for Love would be a killer move. I do think the Cavs will lose LeBron to the Sixers.

Benjamin Linus · Post #225 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:34 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Whiteside regularly generates drama. He has downsides. Further he's kind of like Dwight in wanting to be the focus on offense. He's a better individual defender than Zeller, but he's not going to bring the kind of team play Zeller is good at. His single biggest plus is that he's healthy.

Winslow shoots 3s but somehow manages to be worse on offense than MKG.

Neither of those guys is worth a pick to me individually or together.

That's fair. I'm not that interested in trading our pick (unless the offer is too good to pass up on, obviously). Just trying to bounce some new ideas onto this board.

BeesWax · Post #226 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:44 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Whiteside regularly generates drama. He has downsides. Further he's kind of like Dwight in wanting to be the focus on offense. He's a better individual defender than Zeller, but he's not going to bring the kind of team play Zeller is good at. His single biggest plus is that he's healthy.

Winslow shoots 3s but somehow manages to be worse on offense than MKG.

Neither of those guys is worth a pick to me individually or together.

That's fair. I'm not that interested in trading our pick (unless the offer is too good to pass up on, obviously). Just trying to bounce some new ideas onto this board.

I am fine with trading but that trade through in our pick and didn't upgrade our roster really. I felt like that was just a move to dump a pick and not one to change the composition of the team in a positive way.

LofJ · Post #227 » by **LofJ** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:51 pm

Marvin and Dwight both need to go. The frontcourt needs an injection of speed.

MKG is whatever at this point. If the goal is to keep Kemba and finally build a winning team there isn't really a point in trading him unless he's part of a package to bring a better player back.

MasterIchiro · Post #228 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:53 pm

LofJ wrote:Marvin and Dwight both need to go. The frontcourt needs an injection of speed.

MKG is whatever at this point. If the goal is to keep Kemba and finally build a winning team there isn't really a point in trading him unless he's part of a package to bring a better player back.

I think you're going to get your wish. Kupchak seems very agressive, VERY agressive.

Benjamin Linus · Post #229 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:53 pm

You know, more I think about it, I'd love to find a way to nab Winslow. He's already a better defender than MKG, a much better passer, has already improved in three point shooting to 38%, and just turned 22 like a week ago. He's someone I wouldn't be surprised to see take a leap or two over the next few years. No idea what it would take to get him or how much Miami values him. I'd trade them Frank in a heartbeat, but I'm sure that's not enough.

MasterIchiro · Post #230 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:56 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:You know, more I think about it, I'd love to find a way to nab Winslow. He's already a better defender than MKG, a much better passer, has already improved in three point shooting to 38%, and just turned 22 like a week ago. He's someone I wouldn't be surprised to see take a leap or two over the next few years. No idea what it would take to get him or how much Miami values him. I'd trade them Frank in a heartbeat, but I'm sure that's not enough.

Please think about it less. Hell no to Winslow.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #231 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:59 pm

I'm not strictly speaking against the idea of Winslow, but I don't view him as much of an upgrade either. Something else to keep in mind is that he's just about to come off the rookie scale contract.

Benjamin Linus · Post #232 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:39 pm

I guess one of the angles I'm looking at it from is if we were to start Kemba and Monk, we would need to go heavy on defensive pieces to put around them in order to make it work. Even if Monk doesn't start, but gets a much bigger role in the rotation, we would still probably need to improve the defense around them. Kind of like the Portland model in a way.

Soul Rebel · Post #233 » by **Soul Rebel** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:27 pm

Guys we should trade: Dwight - Batum - MKG - Marv - 1 of Zeller/Kaminsky
Guys we should NOT trade: Kemba - Lamb - Monk - WHG

I too think Kupchak will be active on the market to improve this team. I hope the removal of Cliff makes the moving of Howard more likely. Love what D12 did for us this year, but think he could return some asset, open up $$ and give more minutes to our younger guys that make more sense in the style of bball I hope we try to play.

Post #234 » by **JDR720** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:41 am

Terrible idea incoming that probably only LPooty will like.

Nic for Parsons + 2019 first + 2021 first + 2018 second (#32)

We take Parsons, who is definitely a worse contract than Nic (he cant stay healthy) but is one year shorter and we get 2 firsts and a high second. If he is healthy, he is a good fit and a great trade for us. If he gets hurt, we at least get out of a year of salary and get some solid picks.

Benjamin Linus · Post #235 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:09 am

It's only a terrible idea for Memphis, I don't think anyone would turn that down from Charlotte's end. I would be cool with Chandler and the 32nd pick, although either of the firsts would be awesome, like curing Polio and walking on the moon.

catch20two · Post #236 » by **catch20two** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:35 pm

Kemba and MKG gonna get traded for Kawhi. Should’ve used green font but eh.

MasterIchiro · Post #237 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:35 pm

It's a whole new team if Kawhi is added, but adding him would require a top-3 pick. If the Hornets win the lotto, it wouldn't surprise me if they were to target the best available star. It was Jimmy Butler last year, Kawhi this year.

If the Hornets don't win the lotto, I still wouldn't be surprised if they were to trade the late lotto pick for a #2 scorer.

catch20two · Post #238 » by **catch20two** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:46 pm

The thing is the Hornets aren’t gonna be good until they can pair a player like Kawhi with Kemba, not swap them. But that’s kinda the predicament Cho and Clifford putting us in by not developing the younger players into assets worth anything.

MasterIchiro · Post #239 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:59 pm

catch20two wrote:The thing is the Hornets aren’t gonna be good until they can pair a player like Kawhi with Kemba, not swap them. But that’s kinda the predicament Cho and Clifford putting us in by not developing the younger players into assets worth anything.

It's true. Swapping them changes nothing. I don't foresee a rebuild so I think if MJ wants big changes (so far he seems to), Kupchak will use the pick to upgrade talent. Outside of attaching the pick, the contracts won't move and the team will be identical if not similar. I guess you can argue a rookie at pick 11 can make an impact but that's a longshot. Most likely pick 11 would be a side piece while we suffer through 3 years straight of watching the same players locked into contracts that can't be moved.

Benjamin Linus · Post #240 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:26 pm

Yoooo we’re talking about Kawhi Leonard. I love Kemba but Kawhi is on another tier. We would instantly become one of the best teams in the East, especially if Monk continues to emerge. Monk-Lamb-Kawhi would be a killer 1-2-3

The only problem I have with Kawhi is that apparently he’s getting lowballed by shoe companies and thinks going to a bigger market would solve that. If he wants to leave an organization like San Antonio, dude’s going to bounce out of here ASAP