Fake Trade Thread #3

[Soul Rebel]

So if WCJ is the piece to move from 4 to 2, I would have to think the NYK would give a lot to go from 8 to 3 if Ball is there.

I trust Mitch.

Conversation begins with RJ Barrett.

Barrett + 8 + 23 if Ball is there at 3. I personally don't like Ball, but too many "experts" say he's the top talent in this draft. Still, I'd like RJ on the wing and if we could get Okongwu at 8 and then maybe move up to get someone like Nesmith/Bane/Bey/Terry/Anthony in the mid-late teens, I would think that would be a successful draft day.

This draft, for the foreseeable future, will be teams in the top 3 looking over their shoulder at the players they passed on or didn't get to see if they made the right choice.

[yosemiteben]

I guess my point would be who at 20 million or less does move the needle? (Outside of guys on Rookie Deals)

If this is directed at me, I'd say no one. We're rebuilding, so I don't think spending on needle movers makes sense. We should be using cap space to seek out draft assets and prospects, not signing FAs during the rebuild.

The way I look at things is different in the rebuilding phase. I think you want to slowly mix in veteran talent on more expensive deals with your younger players vs conventional thinking of get all your young guys then go sign Vets.

It wasn't exactly slowly mixing in, we signed Rozier the summer that we kicked off the rebuild.

[James Gatz]

I guess my point would be who at 20 million or less does move the needle? (Outside of guys on Rookie Deals)

If this is directed at me, I'd say no one. We're rebuilding, so I don't think spending on needle movers makes sense. We should be using cap space to seek out draft assets and prospects, not signing FAs during the rebuild.

The way I look at things is different in the rebuilding phase. I think you want to slowly mix in veteran talent on more expensive deals with your younger players vs conventional thinking of get all your young guys then go sign Vets.

Same thought happens in the NFL a lot when you have a rookie QB that is your window to overpay Vets. By the time the Vets are expiring that is when you use that money to pay your Rookie QB. Same thought process here in the NBA.

You don't want to wait until you are paying your rookie 20 million dollars to try to put talent around them because you won't be able to afford it. The Celtics are a great example of this.... They paid Horford, Hayward, Kemba, Kyrie, Smart etc... while Tatum and Brown were cheap and were competitive. Now that Brown and Tatum are about to get paid they are getting rid of these older Vets to open up space.

I'm with Yosemite completely on this front.

This isn't the NFL. Where if you have a great quarterback on the cheap you go all in.

The exception is a situation like the Hawks or Mavs. They have their all nba guy. We do not. It does not make sense to surround solid prospects with vets if there is no "guy." In the NBA you need a star to win. Nobody on this roster fits that. We should be using all our assets, including what we're currently paying Rozier, to have another bite at the apple with a late lottery pick. We should be taking on bad contracts rather than paying Rozier slightly more than he's worth.

[Braggins]

I'm fine with starting to phase in veterans, after we draft Cade Cunningham (I know its a pipe dream).

[JMAC3]

If this is directed at me, I'd say no one. We're rebuilding, so I don't think spending on needle movers makes sense. We should be using cap space to seek out draft assets and prospects, not signing FAs during the rebuild.

The way I look at things is different in the rebuilding phase. I think you want to slowly mix in veteran talent on more expensive deals with your younger players vs conventional thinking of get all your young guys then go sign Vets.

It wasn't exactly slowly mixing in, we signed Rozier the summer that we kicked off the rebuild.

Okay and I get that but let me paint you a picture.

We have to pay Graham and Monk next offseason. Batum comes off books.

Miles and Martin Twins the following. Rozier comes off books.

PJ the following.

Number three pick the following.

We are going to be handing out deals to these guys quicker than most realize.

[yosemiteben]

The way I look at things is different in the rebuilding phase. I think you want to slowly mix in veteran talent on more expensive deals with your younger players vs conventional thinking of get all your young guys then go sign Vets.

It wasn't exactly slowly mixing in, we signed Rozier the summer that we kicked off the rebuild.

Okay and I get that but let me paint you a picture.

We have to pay Graham and Monk next offseason. Batum comes off books.

Miles and Martin Twins the following. Rozier comes off books.

PJ the following.

Number three pick the following.

We are going to be handing out deals to these guys quicker than most realize.

I mean, I get all that, but we chose to pursue a rebuild and I'm not convinced today that anyone not named PJ should be retained if they demand top of market contracts for their respective roles.

IMO, we have exactly one piece that I am confident will be an above average starter in three years - PJ.

[James Gatz]

Yeah, Graham's contract is going to be tricky. If he signs his max extension it's something like 4 yr/55 mil. That's a deal I'd be happy with it. I don't think he's going to be worth 20+ a year though.

Miles isn't worth more than 7-8 a year if he doesn't improve.

Cody Martin might be even be an NBA player if he can't shoot. He's probably my favorite guy on the team but I'm being realistic.

PJ will be a solid starter and we should likely retain him on a non max deal.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I guess my point would be who at 20 million or less does move the needle? (Outside of guys on Rookie Deals)

If this is directed at me, I'd say no one. We're rebuilding, so I don't think spending on needle movers makes sense. We should be using cap space to seek out draft assets and prospects, not signing FAs during the rebuild.

The way I look at things is different in the rebuilding phase. I think you want to slowly mix in veteran talent on more expensive deals with your younger players vs conventional thinking of get all your young guys then go sign Vets.

Same thought happens in the NFL a lot when you have a rookie QB that is your window to overpay Vets. By the time the Vets are expiring that is when you use that money to pay your Rookie QB. Same thought process here in the NBA.

You don't want to wait until you are paying your rookie 20 million dollars to try to put talent around them because you won't be able to afford it. The Celtics are a great example of this.... They paid Horford, Hayward, Kemba, Kyrie, Smart etc... while Tatum and Brown were cheap and were competitive. Now that Brown and Tatum are about to get paid they are getting rid of these older Vets to open up space.

I like this and I'll add that every young team should have a decent vet PG to run the offense.

[JMAC3]

Denver never really made a run at it when Murray and Jokic were cheap. Now they are paying Murray, Joker, Harris, and Barton nearly 100 million and have very little room to add a difference maker.

Not exact same thought process, but I think Boston and even Portland were able to do is the Best EV play.

[Rich4114]

So if WCJ is the piece to move from 4 to 2, I would have to think the NYK would give a lot to go from 8 to 3 if Ball is there.

I trust Mitch.

Conversation begins with RJ Barrett.

Barrett + 8 + 23 if Ball is there at 3. I personally don't like Ball, but too many "experts" say he's the top talent in this draft. Still, I'd like RJ on the wing and if we could get Okongwu at 8 and then maybe move up to get someone like Nesmith/Bane/Bey/Terry/Anthony in the mid-late teens, I would think that would be a successful draft day.

This draft, for the foreseeable future, will be teams in the top 3 looking over their shoulder at the players they passed on or didn't get to see if they made the right choice.

I'd happily take Barrett for 3 + 8. I mean, wouldn't most consider him to be #1 in this draft if he were coming out now?

[James Gatz]

Conversation begins with RJ Barrett.

Barrett + 8 + 23 if Ball is there at 3. I personally don't like Ball, but too many "experts" say he's the top talent in this draft. Still, I'd like RJ on the wing and if we could get Okongwu at 8 and then maybe move up to get someone like Nesmith/Bane/Bey/Terry/Anthony in the mid-late teens, I would think that would be a successful draft day.

This draft, for the foreseeable future, will be teams in the top 3 looking over their shoulder at the players they passed on or didn't get to see if they made the right choice.

I'd happily take Barrett for 3 + 8. I mean, wouldn't most consider him to be #1 in this draft if he were coming out now?

Think Barrett as a prospect would probably go number 1. Barrett after he's less than impressive rookie year wouldn't but likely still top 5.

[_tijo_]

Well, there goes Horford as an asset target:

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[MasterIchiro]

Well, there goes Horford as an asset target:

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That is fine. Think we have a shot for Myles Turner. He fits the rebuild and stretches the floor for Westbrook (*ducks*).

[HornetJail]

Well, there goes Horford as an asset target:

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OKC let them off easy smh

Watch them run their offense through Horford all of next season and trade him for more assets now
That's what I wanted to do if we didn't draft Wiseman but with 2 1sts, OKC undercut us

[stinger14]

There went one of my Rozier trade thoughts

[HornetJail]

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This is exactly what I would've asked for with #21 instead of #34... I didn't really think Philly would trade a pick that far out

[amcoolio]

Lightly protected 2025 pick.

I think Sixers will be good still in 2025 with Morey at the helm.

[MasterIchiro]

Are they holding pick 21 as part of the Harden bid?

[DY_nasty]

sixers could easily be blown up by then lol

the nerve of GMs to trade picks that will happen long after their contract is up

[Braggins]

Are they holding pick 21 as part of the Harden bid?

That would be my guess. Honestly, that trade seems good for both teams.