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mrknowitall215 · Post #241 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:39 pm

catch20two wrote:You mean to tell me that the Celtics can turn Toney Douglas into a 1st rounder but Cho couldn't turn Hendo into one? WTF Cho. I'll give him credit for the Maggette-Gordon deal tho but damn.

It's a heavily protected 1st rounder. As much as I think Henderson should be traded for something of value, that draft pick isn't. The best case scenario for that 1st rounder is the 16th pick in this year or next year's draft

MasterIchiro · Post #242 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:43 pm

Yeah but Cho couldn't even get the 30th pick for Hendo let alone the 16th.

mrknowitall215 · Post #243 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:43 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:How many freaking guards do the Warriors need anyways?

Golden State didn't have a legitimate backup PG after Jarrett Jack signed with Cleveland this offseason. After observing Jordan Crawford do a solid job as a starting PG for Boston, it was a wise trade for the Warriors to acquire him to spell Stephen Curry and/or Klay Thompson without taking away from their identity of perimeter shooting. I think this deal just made the Warriors a top-3 team in the Western Conference

MasterIchiro · Post #244 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:46 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:How many freaking guards do the Warriors need anyways?

Golden State didn't have a legitimate backup PG after Jarrett Jack signed with Cleveland this offseason. After observing Jordan Crawford do a solid job as a starting PG for Boston, it was a wise trade for the Warriors to acquire him to spell Stephen Curry and/or Klay Thompson without taking away from their identity of perimeter shooting. I think this deal just made the Warriors a top-3 team in the Western Conference

Plus they have Marshon Brooks as a wing plus Iguodala plus Barnes.

Embarrassment of the riches.

mrknowitall215 · Post #245 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:46 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Yeah but Cho couldn't even get the 30th pick for Hendo let alone the 16th.

Cho should see if he can trade Henderson to the Celtics so he can follow in his father's footsteps in exchange for Jared Sullinger & Keith Bogans

HornetJail · Post #246 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:56 pm

Do the Warriors think that JORDAN CRAWFORD is going to solve their problems?

mrknowitall215 · Post #247 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:58 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Do the Warriors think that JORDAN CRAWFORD is going to solve their problems?

They didn't need many if any problems solved but another scorer that could spell Stephen Curry and/or allow him to play off the ball down the stretch to keep him fresh. Jordan Crawford is theoretically reacquiring Jarrett Jack for them all the while not losing anything but 12th man Toney Douglas

:dontknow:

HornetJail · Post #248 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:00 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:Do the Warriors think that JORDAN CRAWFORD is going to solve their problems?

They didn't need many if any problems solved but another scorer that could spell Stephen Curry and/or allow him to play off the ball down the stretch to keep him fresh

Yeah but they need a legit PG behind Curry IMO. Someone who will spread the ball around better. Crawford is too erratic for my liking though he's been decent this year in Boston.

Crawford isn't anywhere as good as Jack.

mrknowitall215 · Post #249 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:06 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:Do the Warriors think that JORDAN CRAWFORD is going to solve their problems?

They didn't need many if any problems solved but another scorer that could spell Stephen Curry and/or allow him to play off the ball down the stretch to keep him fresh

Yeah but they need a legit PG behind Curry IMO. Someone who will spread the ball around better. Crawford is too erratic for my liking though he's been decent this year in Boston.

Crawford isn't anywhere as good as Jack.

Crawford has been solid this season, and a good enough distributor (5.7 APG), nowhere near the erratic chucker that he used to be with Washington during his earlier years

LamarMatic7 · Post #250 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:52 pm

catch20two wrote:You mean to tell me that the Celtics can turn Toney Douglas into a 1st rounder but Cho couldn't turn Hendo into one? WTF Cho. I'll give him credit for the Maggette-Gordon deal tho but damn.

How is it Toney Douglas they turned into a 1st rounder? Isn't it Crawford and Brooks they turned into a 1st rounder? Yes, it doesn't sound that much better but still, at the end of the day it's likely to be a weak pick.

The thing that got me wondering is why the hell did Philly ever trade a first rounder for Arnett Moultrie in the first place?

LamarMatic7 · Post #251 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:54 pm

I like the deal for the Dubs. You would almost rather pick up a guy who can catch fire in Crawford than a legit point guard. Curry and Iggy should still do the majority of ball-handling. Crawford will play some off-guard alongside one of those two and make shots.

mrknowitall215 · Post #252 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:55 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:The thing that got me wondering is why the hell did Philly ever trade a first rounder for Arnett Moultrie in the first place?

Previous management. I thought they would put Arnett Moultrie to use to see what he had by now, but he's played so scarce that nobody really know if he's a serviceable player or not. It was a bad trade, but it doesn't look like it'll end up burning us in the end

LamarMatic7 · Post #253 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:56 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:The thing that got me wondering is why the hell did Philly ever trade a first rounder for Arnett Moultrie in the first place?

Previous management. I thought they would put Arnett Moultrie to use to see what he had by now, but he's played so scarce that nobody really know if he's a serviceable player or not. It was a bad trade, but it doesn't look like it'll end up burning us in the end

So you guys were angry at the deal as it happened?

I thought that Moultrie hasn't played this year because of an injury.

mrknowitall215 · Post #254 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:01 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:The thing that got me wondering is why the hell did Philly ever trade a first rounder for Arnett Moultrie in the first place?

Previous management. I thought they would put Arnett Moultrie to use to see what he had by now, but he's played so scarce that nobody really know if he's a serviceable player or not. It was a bad trade, but it doesn't look like it'll end up burning us in the end

So you guys were angry at the deal as it happened?

I thought that Moultrie hasn't played this year because of an injury.

I wasn't opposed to the deal as it happened since I believed that Moultrie had as much talent as Marreese Speights before him, but I disliked the way Doug Collins used him in preference of LaVoy Allen. We have yet to see what Moultrie can contribute as a NBA player, so it's up in the air what to make of it right now. He was supposed to make his season debut tonight against Charlotte, but it appears that it's being held off until maybe next week sometime

Post #255 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:24 pm

i think its a good, fair trade for all teams involved. each team got what they wanted

warriors got some much needed guard depth
heat got some salary relief
celtics got more picks (either three second round picks or a chance at a mid-first next year) for two players that were not in long-term plans.

karkinos · Post #256 » by **karkinos** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:00 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:How many freaking guards do the Warriors need anyways?

Golden State didn't have a legitimate backup PG after Jarrett Jack signed with Cleveland this offseason. After observing Jordan Crawford do a solid job as a starting PG for Boston, it was a wise trade for the Warriors to acquire him to spell Stephen Curry and/or Klay Thompson without taking away from their identity of perimeter shooting. I think this deal just made the Warriors a top-3 team in the Western Conference

jordan is far from being a true point
i don't really think gsw needed a perimeter presence as much as a guard that focuses on getting into the paint. dubs are sitting in 6th rn....i'm not so sure about top 3. i would give them maybe top 5?

mrknowitall215 · Post #257 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:03 pm

cancer wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:How many freaking guards do the Warriors need anyways?

Golden State didn't have a legitimate backup PG after Jarrett Jack signed with Cleveland this offseason. After observing Jordan Crawford do a solid job as a starting PG for Boston, it was a wise trade for the Warriors to acquire him to spell Stephen Curry and/or Klay Thompson without taking away from their identity of perimeter shooting. I think this deal just made the Warriors a top-3 team in the Western Conference

jordan is far from being a true point
i don't really think gsw needed a perimeter presence as much as a guard that focuses on getting into the paint. dubs are sitting in 6th rn....i'm not so sure about top 3. i would give them maybe top 5?

Well, GSW is only 1 measily game behind the 4th seed in the Western Conference, and that team happens to be the Clippers who will be without Chris Paul for at least a month due to his shoulder injury. You want to re-think your statement?

A lot of the Warriors rare struggles this season has been not being able to rest Curry with a adequate backup. Crawford is as good of a combo guard off the bench as you're going to find in the NBA. There's not many pass-first backups that are productive. There's barely a profound amount of starting point guards that I'd even consider pass-first

HornetJail · Post #258 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:05 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
cancer wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Golden State didn't have a legitimate backup PG after Jarrett Jack signed with Cleveland this offseason. After observing Jordan Crawford do a solid job as a starting PG for Boston, it was a wise trade for the Warriors to acquire him to spell Stephen Curry and/or Klay Thompson without taking away from their identity of perimeter shooting. I think this deal just made the Warriors a top-3 team in the Western Conference

jordan is far from being a true point
i don't really think gsw needed a perimeter presence as much as a guard that focuses on getting into the paint. dubs are sitting in 6th rn....i'm not so sure about top 3. i would give them maybe top 5?

Well, GSW is only 1 measily game behind the 4th seed in the Western Conference, and that team happens to be the Clippers who will be without Chris Paul for at least a month due to his shoulder injury. You want to re-think your statement?

And they're only 3 1/2 games behind Westbrook-less OKC, 4 games behind Portland, who are now showing signs of being mortal.

mrknowitall215 · Post #259 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:10 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:And they're only 3 1/2 games behind Westbrook-less OKC, 4 games behind Portland, who are now showing signs of being mortal.

Thank you for backing me up on that notion. The Thunder are about to lose 4 out of their next 5 games against HOU, GSW, SAC, POR, & SAS. The best OKC might do out of that stretch of games is 2-3. The Warriors now have a golden opportunity to be a top-3 seed in the Western Conference as I predicted

HornetJail · Post #260 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:17 pm

By the way, the Raptors are the 3rd seed in the West and have won 8 of their last 10. At 19-17, they would miss the playoffs by a game and a half in the West.

The current 9th seed in the East (Brooklyn) and the current 12th seed in the West (New Orleans) have matching records, meaning the 9th seed is likely to yield the 10th or 11th pick. That's incredibly dangerous ground for our pick owed to the Bulls.

Indiana, San Antonio, Portland, and Oklahoma City all have better records than Miami.

Currently, to make the EC playoffs, you'd need 33 wins. The last time a team that bad went to the playoffs was the 86 Bulls (the year Jordan was injured), when 16 of 23 teams make the playoffs.