The Gordon Hayward Thread

[MasterIchiro]

Agreed, Henderson going out would really be required for me to be behind this, because of the cap space it would clear if Gordon signs a big deal. The other reason is obviously for the minutes it would open up for better shooters.

It would also still allow the pursuit of Lance, instead of another PF. It's probably not a large chance, but it's a possibility. Master Ichiro's dream idea stays alive!

For a backup PG, they could trade for one or release Gee and move or stretch Neal to clear space.

Yes the idea is Henderson + MKG = Hayward + Lance Stephenson. Humphries fortifies rebounding, NBA size at PF as a stop gap so we don't lose production temporarily while Zeller + Vonleh develop. Then maybe we can squeeze in Jameer Nelson or Mario Chalmers.

As much as I believe in MKG I would be ok with this. I'd have to be damn sure Stephenson would sign with us though before I pulled the trigger. That said I like MKG + Stephenson a whole lot more than Hayward + Stephenson, so I hope we don't trade for Gordon.

You may like MKG + Lance more than Gordon + Lance but the level of interest in Gordon Hayward seems deep. Al has been recruiting him hard. His whole family made the trip. He's here for Day 2. I bet Day 1 was just a mixer, meet the team, coaches, staff, tour, dinner. Today is all about contract details and negotiations with the Jazz, which hopefully are being finalized not initiated.

[LofJ]

I'm naively hoping that the Jazz are taking back Henderson and a future 1st.

[BeesWax]

I'm naively hoping that the Jazz are taking back Henderson and a future 1st.

Seems to good to be true. I just wish we could get some leaked info and what may be involved in the deal.

[LofJ]

I'm naively hoping that the Jazz are taking back Henderson and a future 1st.

Seems to good to be true. I just wish we could get some leaked info and what may be involved in the deal.

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

[BeesWax]

I'm naively hoping that the Jazz are taking back Henderson and a future 1st.

Seems to good to be true. I just wish we could get some leaked info and what may be involved in the deal.

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

Man if I ran into Bonnell on the street right now I might strangle him so the paper had to find a new reporter. This is killing me. Any inside information would be huge but he has less contacts inside the organization that my 3 year old.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm naively hoping that the Jazz are taking back Henderson and a future 1st.

Seems to good to be true. I just wish we could get some leaked info and what may be involved in the deal.

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

[LofJ]

Seems to good to be true. I just wish we could get some leaked info and what may be involved in the deal.

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

I don't think he is either, so that leaves only one...

[Liver_Pooty]

Seems to good to be true. I just wish we could get some leaked info and what may be involved in the deal.

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

I agree with you on McRoberts and Zeller. Zeller is probably not going anywhere, or like you stated we would have just resigned McRoberts.

[BeesWax]

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

I don't think he is either, so that leaves only one...

I think Zeller is or nobody is. There are a number of mid level stop gap PFs on the market. We have a top level young talent at PF. Even if we move Zeller. I think losing McRoberts means we needed a PF to start anyway so I don't see how this changes anything. I feel we will bring in a PF no matter what so we don't take such a large step backward at the position in a year that may be our last with Big Al.

[fatlever]

s&t

hayward (4 years, 50)
for
hairston, taylor, 2015 unprotected 1st, two future 2nd round picks

would you say yes to that deal? we get hayward for less than the reported max money, but we have to give up several assets, however we hang on to MKG, zeller and vonleh.

[LofJ]

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

I don't think he is either, so that leaves only one...

I think Zeller is or nobody is. There are a number of mid level stop gap PFs on the market. We have a top level young talent at PF. Even if we move Zeller. I think losing McRoberts means we needed a PF to start anyway so I don't see how this changes anything. I feel we will bring in a PF no matter what so we don't take such a large step backward at the position in a year that may be our last with Big Al.

I hope you're right.

[ARHornet]

s&t

hayward (4 years, 50)
for
hairston, taylor, 2015 unprotected 1st, two future 2nd round picks

would you say yes to that deal? we get hayward for less than the reported max money, but we have to give up several assets, however we hang on to MKG, zeller and vonleh.

Lottery protect the pick and I'll do it.

I won't trade MKG, Vonleh, or an unprotected 1st.

[MasterIchiro]

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

I don't think he is either, so that leaves only one...

Yeah I think MKG is the centerpiece but the Jazz obviously don't have to agree to that. For all I know they are demanding both MKG + Zeller. But if that was the case and they were being so unreasonable, I'm not sure you spend 2 days of your time with the Hayward family and put all other more 'realistic' free agents on hold in the process. If there's one thing I know about attorneys and Cho is an attorney, it's that they like to be paid when they're on the clock. If they're working, they're producing. They're very efficient with their time, they don't waste it. Every moment invested is very purposeful.

The other side of the trade will involve Henderson or Neal imo.

Obviously we'd rather move Henderson's contract and it just might be that the Jazz prefer Henderson as a starting SG. Exum is not ready to start at NBA SG. Jazz might like having Henderson + MKG start, keep things respectable overall and honest on defense while they groom Hood and Exum. Novak is a piece they can use when they need a 3-pt threat.

It could very well be Henderson.

I don't know how Neal is surviving this offseason. I guess he's cheap. I mean he makes less than Ben Gordon. He should be a cinch to move if they needed more cap space for Lance.

[BeesWax]

s&t

hayward (4 years, 50)
for
hairston, taylor, 2015 unprotected 1st, two future 2nd round picks

would you say yes to that deal? we get hayward for less than the reported max money, but we have to give up several assets, however we hang on to MKG, zeller and vonleh.

Not a bad deal. I do hate we have both him and Henderson as that is a lot of money tied to SG.

[MasterIchiro]

s&t

hayward (4 years, 50)
for
hairston, taylor, 2015 unprotected 1st, two future 2nd round picks

would you say yes to that deal? we get hayward for less than the reported max money, but we have to give up several assets, however we hang on to MKG, zeller and vonleh.

Yeah the Jazz could hold the press conference in a NC court. Their fan base would be abuzz.

[BlackOutBuzz]

s&t

hayward (4 years, 50)
for
hairston, taylor, 2015 unprotected 1st, two future 2nd round picks

would you say yes to that deal? we get hayward for less than the reported max money, but we have to give up several assets, however we hang on to MKG, zeller and vonleh.

I'd like to protect the first, but you'd think that team would compete for first round homecourt in the east so the pick wouldn't (shouldn't) be great anyway.

I'm just not a big fan of giving up a bunch for a FA, but I get it and would probably do it if they persisted. It's not like we'll use the 2nds anyway.

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[chabber]

s&t

hayward (4 years, 50)
for
hairston, taylor, 2015 unprotected 1st, two future 2nd round picks

would you say yes to that deal? we get hayward for less than the reported max money, but we have to give up several assets, however we hang on to MKG, zeller and vonleh.

I'd want Henderson moved with it but that is probably the sweet spot. $12M now is an overpay but maybe makes the Jazz hesitant to match so they take back some value.

However down the road if the salary cap continues to increase like it did this season. Some of these contracts won't look as bad as they do now. Jazz are aware of this as well, I'm sure, as is every NBA team.

[MasterIchiro]

It is too good to be true, and yeah some leaked details would be really nice right about now.

That future 1st could be pick 20. We offered Henderson + 24 for 1 year of Arron Afflalo and got turned down. It's hopefully Henderson + one of MKG/Zeller. I would be hesitant to deal Zeller. We have to finalize the trade before we even begin negotiating with Humphries so if we dumped Zeller in the deal we'd lose leverage and have to overpay for Humphries or risk him not signing. If Zeller was in the negotiations leading up today I think we would have matched the Heat's offer for McRoberts or signed someone like Humphries prior to bringing in Hayward and likely presenting terms. We have to keep maximum cap space for Hayward before we move onto complimentary players. I don't think Zeller is in this deal.

I agree with you on McRoberts and Zeller. Zeller is probably not going anywhere, or like you stated we would have just resigned McRoberts.

Yes, we would have reached on McRoberts if the Jazz were demanding Zeller in sign & trade negotiations leading up to this 2 day visit for the Hayward family. It's a no-brainer we would have done that imo. Instead we didn't match. We put a hard limit on McRoberts, which suggests an investment in the development of Zeller who is more NBA-ready than Vonleh, but it also hints at a commitment to getting minutes to Vonleh. Humphries would be a hedge against Vonleh's rawness, not Zeller. And Humphries can spot minutes at the 5. I don't think you can go into the year with Humphries/Vonleh. That puts a huge strain on a very very young player who is a huge question mark. Cody is staying imo. Absolutely. 100%

[MasterIchiro]

Put it this way, if they knew the Jazz were demanding Zeller in sign & trade proposals leading up to this, they would have matched on McRoberts rather than fell back on Humphries. They would have known or should have known about the potential loss of Zeller prior to letting McRoberts walk as Humphries is an inferior option. I don't think it's too wild to suggest they're committing to Zeller's and Vonleh's development and that Zeller is staying.

[MasterIchiro]

Put even simpler, remove Cody from the picture based on the Jazz demanding him and it comes down to McRoberts vs. Humphries. If you read those tweets about Clifford begging for McRoberts I think you know how that decision would have turned out if those 2 were the choice. But they're not the choice and never were because... Zeller is staying. The Jazz aren't demanding him and we're not shopping him.