The "Dude": The Mitch Kupchak Thread

amcoolio · Post #241 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:52 pm

The trade is a big win if Denver picks 15, 16, or 17, and a win if they pick 18-20. Anything after that, and we lost the trade. I really think we should have taken Duren and not hastily made a trade, but used the rest of the night to figure it out. No reason to frantically accept one future protect first right away. I think all parties involved would have given us the Milwaukee pick to make the trade happen if we pushed for it.

SWedd523 · Post #242 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:11 pm

This isn't the NFL where trading for multiple lower picks is good value.

The NBA is won by star power. The likelihood of pick 13 being a star is obviously low, but still higher than 18-20 or wherever they pick. They still have the best player in the game and we're dangerous without their next two best players all year. Let's not kid ourselves.

The seconds are just about worthless. they get sold for straight cash every year.

It was a bad trade

BobsBuddy · Post #243 » by **BobsBuddy** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:00 pm

I've been a fan all the way back tO the hivein 1988. Mitch and I are the same age and I can assure you that he hasn't changed :banghead:

in the last 40 years. HERES WHATS GOING ON

Draft pick #13 was traded to save 6-8 million against the 2022cap. When this is added with Montrez Hearld Jail Timel contract voidance and other expirings will help us resign Bridges or another FA The trade also got us a 2023 1st we did have in the 20s and 3 future NYKs 2nds

Draft pick 15 got us Mark Wlliams 7' Center from Duke a 10 year center

Draft pick#40 gotus Bryson McGowen a 6'7"guard that lead Nebraska

And as for coach Mitch will make the right decision

Relax.. the Hornets just renewed their lease through 2045 and Mitchs contract 3 years

Liver_Pooty · Post #244 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:01 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::noway: I've been a fan all the way back tO the hivein 1988. Mitch and I are the same age and I can assure you that he hasn't changed in the last 40 years. HERES WHATS GOING ON

Draft pick #13 was traded to save 6-8 million against the 2022cap. When this is added with Montrez Hearld Jail Timel contract voidance and other expirings will help us resign Bridges or another FA The trade also got us a 2023 1st we did have in the 20s and 3 future NYKs 2nds

Draft pick 15 got us Mark Wlliams 7' Center from Duke a 10 year center

Draft pick#40 gotus Bryson McGowen a 6'7"guard that lead Nebraska

And as for coach Mitch will make the right decision

Relax.. the Hornets just renewed their lease through 2045 and Mitchs contract 3 years

Lol hell yeah post more often

JMAC3 · Post #245 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:15 pm

SWedd523 wrote:This isn't the NFL where trading for multiple lower picks is good value.

The NBA is won by star power. The likelihood of pick 13 being a star is obviously low, but still higher than 18-20 or wherever they pick. They still have the best player in the game and we're dangerous without their next two best players all year. Let's not kid ourselves.

The seconds are just about worthless. they get sold for straight cash every year.

It was a bad trade

What if we took Mark Williams at 13, Agbaji goes 14 and we instead trade 15 (Duren) for the pick package. Do you feel better about it?

I also don't think you can write off the 4 seconds, I think they hold more value than you are giving credit. I have seen 2 seconds bring in some decent vets at the deadline before.

SWedd523 · Post #246 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:07 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:This isn't the NFL where trading for multiple lower picks is good value.

The NBA is won by star power. The likelihood of pick 13 being a star is obviously low, but still higher than 18-20 or wherever they pick. They still have the best player in the game and we're dangerous without their next two best players all year. Let's not kid ourselves.

The seconds are just about worthless. they get sold for straight cash every year.

It was a bad trade

What if we took Mark Williams at 13, Agbaji goes 14 and we instead trade 15 (Duren) for the pick package. Do you feel better about it?

I also don't think you can write off the 4 seconds, I think they hold more value than you are giving credit. I have seen 2 seconds bring in some decent vets at the deadline before.

No I'd feel the same. The whole impetus for the trade was flawed logic and they didn't even execute what they were (reportedly) trying to do. The entire thing was an exercise in outsmarting themselves

KingCat · Post #247 » by **KingCat** » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:49 am

Feels like moves from a man who knows he will be retired in about a year

Post #248 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:01 am

Read on Twitter

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amcoolio · Post #249 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 12:46 pm

That video makes us look bad. If you are that stressed becuase there isn't enough time, then don't make the trade! Wait until later in the night. Ridiculous.

It really seems like the draft fell off a cliff with them at Duren/Williams choice and they didn't want to spend money on any other players so they took the first first rounder they could get

Post #250 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 2:29 pm

amcoolio wrote:That video makes us look bad. If you are that stressed becuase there isn't enough time, then don't make the trade! Wait until later in the night. Ridiculous.

Most every front office "behind the scenes" video's look the same though, and most every front office says how little time it is to get a deal done on draft night between picks.

Detroit released a video of them acquiring Duren and they were just as frantic.

Post #251 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 2:32 pm

Read on Twitter

amcoolio · Post #252 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 3:24 pm

At least its comforting to know that if Williams went 14 the deal was off and we would keep Duren. What a disaster it would be to end up trading both picks because you didn't like any of the players

dmutombo321 · Post #253 » by **dmutombo321** » Sat Jul 9, 2022 4:01 am

fatlever wrote:

Read on Twitter
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The value imbalance in that garbage trade continues to floor me...I'm still convinced, as others have speculated, that our FO f*cked up, miscommunicated and thought they were getting both the DEN and MIL 1sts in the deal in addition to the seconds.

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GoBobs · Post #254 » by **GoBobs** » Sat Jul 9, 2022 11:44 pm

Terrible deal. That Denver pick could easily turn out to be 20-30 range. You don't trade away 13 this year hoping to come away with 14-18 next year best case. Just keep the best player on the board. Williams could turn out to be a bust, he could get hurt, you don't know what is going to happen so just take Duren also as a backup.

Post #255 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:32 am

GoBobs wrote:Terrible deal. That Denver pick could easily turn out to be 20-30 range. You don't trade away 13 this year hoping to come away with 14-18 next year best case. Just keep the best player on the board. Williams could turn out to be a bust, he could get hurt, you don't know what is going to happen so just take Duren also as a backup.

I guarantee Detroit would have upped their offer if they wanted Duren as much as they claimed that they wanted to trade up for him.

Mitch just isn't capable of calling anyone's bluff in a trade. It's by far his biggest weakness as a GM is his inability to squeeze for value.

JMAC3 · Post #256 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:13 pm

My biggest issue with the trade and lack of time etc... if we didn't feel great we could of taken Williams at 13 and then revisited how to handle it again in 5 mins once we were back on clock at 15.

If the fear was Cleveland snaking the trade from us then oh well, it is not like we were getting such a good deal we would regret it. More than likely Cleveland still takes Agbaji. Then we get a fresh 5 mins to work with Detroit, Knicks on a better deal for us 15.

CuseMayne · Post #257 » by **CuseMayne** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:44 am

JMAC3 wrote:My biggest issue with the trade and lack of time etc... if we didn't feel great we could of taken Williams at 13 and then revisited how to handle it again in 5 mins once we were back on clock at 15.

If the fear was Cleveland snaking the trade from us then oh well, it is not like we were getting such a good deal we would regret it. More than likely Cleveland still takes Agbaji. Then we get a fresh 5 mins to work with Detroit, Knicks on a better deal for us 15.

It would seem that part of the rationale is that the 15th pick is outside of the lottery, so the salary for that player is < the 13th pick.

Braggins · Post #258 » by **Braggins** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:59 am

The drafting of LaMelo has really obscured that Kupchaks tenure here is actually shaking up to look pretty terrible. After this offseason I find it hard to not rank him as a bottom 10 GM.

Post #259 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:26 am

Braggins wrote:The drafting of LaMelo has really obscured that Kupchaks tenure here is actually shaking up to look pretty terrible. After this offseason I find it hard to not rank him as a bottom 10 GM.

His drafting is pretty difficult to criticize. Jury is obviously out on 2021 draft, but he's consistently drafted talent and hasn't busted yet.

HornetJail · Post #260 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 am

Braggins wrote:The drafting of LaMelo has really obscured that Kupchaks tenure here is actually shaking up to look pretty terrible. After this offseason I find it hard to not rank him as a bottom 10 GM.

He's a bottom 10 GM regardless.

The drafting is above par, everything else is an absolute joke, and we will continue to be a joke as long as he's in charge of who is on the roster.