Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

Rich4114 · Post #261 » by **Rich4114** » Thu May 26, 2011 12:59 am

penquin11 wrote:Alternative Actions:

trade:
DJ. Augustin + S. Jax + 8th pick + 19th pick + 39th pick
for
Chris Paul

I don't think we're able to do that, we would have to make the pick for NO first. They wouldn't do this anyway, if they get rid of CP3 they will be looking to start over so we would need to find a way for them to clear cap space (Diaw/Okafor?)

Post #262 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 26, 2011 2:51 am

my two cents on this kemba/iverson comparison. ok, i get the comparison in the sense that people say kemba kinda plays like iverson, a very poor man's iverson. they are both undersized sgs who thrive on breakdown defenders off the dribble and getting into the paint. maybe kemba can be 60% of what iverson was, which would be a decent player. but thats about as close as that comparison gets. for anyone who was not able to watch iverson when he was in college, lemme just tell you, that dude had the wow factor. the first time i saw him i said "HOLY FREAKING ****" that dude is going to be a freaking monster in the NBA. you knew the second you saw him play at georgetown that he was as superstar. kemba, while being impressive at times has never come close to making me go "wow".

Badd_Intentions · Post #263 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Thu May 26, 2011 3:25 am

AI had the quickness to go along with the athleticism. At his size he would dunk over centers easily. Kemba doesn't have anywhere near that athleticism.

doc.end · Post #264 » by **doc.end** » Thu May 26, 2011 3:27 am

penquin11 wrote:Alternative Actions:

trade:
DJ. Augustin + S. Jax + 8th pick + 19th pick + 39th pick
for
Chris Paul

Forbidden.

Rich4114 · Post #265 » by **Rich4114** » Thu May 26, 2011 3:53 am

fatlever wrote:my two cents on this kemba/iverson comparison. ok, i get the comparison in the sense that people say kemba kinda plays like iverson, a very poor man's iverson. they are both undersized sgs who thrive on breakdown defenders off the dribble and getting into the paint. maybe kemba can be 60% of what iverson was, which would be a decent player. but thats about as close as that comparison gets. for anyone who was not able to watch iverson when he was in college, lemme just tell you, that dude had the wow factor. the first time i saw him i said "HOLY FREAKING ****" that dude is going to be a freaking monster in the NBA. you knew the second you saw him play at georgetown that he was as superstar. kemba, while being impressive at times has never come close to making me go "wow".

But think of the controversy he would bring!!

Eoghan · Post #266 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 26, 2011 6:42 am

penquin11 wrote:#19: Darius Morris (PG Mich): This guy is a GREAT Athlete, and standing at 6'5 he has a huge size advantage, couple that in with his polished turd of a shot, and average passing he could back up Livo until he fades into obscurity .... He is the guy that I feel is overlooked the most...

Fixed that for yah!

I'm pretty torn on Biyombo. He reminds me of a poor man's blend of Varejao and Nene when they entered the league.

daidalos · Post #267 » by **daidalos** » Thu May 26, 2011 8:06 am

DanTown8587 wrote:I have a question Bobcat fans, just curious, how would you react to the following deal

Charlotte Trades: #9, Matt Caroll

Chicago Trades: #28, Charlotte #1 2012, Chicago #1 2012

I would really love to move up in a position to draft Burks and Charlotte's pick probably holds more value to Charlotte than anyone. I'm not opposed to adding players into that deal either, just trying to see how far that package is.

I really can't see that happening.

I think we would do a trade in which we give Jax to the Bulls (especially if they lose the conf finals to the Heat) and get future picks and the Cavs TPE back in return. The only question is what the Bulls has to offer for the Cavs.

Carroll's contract is not that big of a deal by now (he only has 2years left [3,9M, 3,5M], a team with some cap space will absorb his contract for a 2nd rounder and for some money), so unloading it does not worth the 9th pick (maybe our 19th pick would worth it). And getting back our 2012 pick doesnt mean too much at the moment since its protected well. I think it would be a 15-16th pick for the Bulls in the worst case scenario.

Post #268 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 26, 2011 1:20 pm

If Kemba was there at #9 I would happily draft him.......................and then turn around and trade him to another team that was in love with him for a better prospect or a 2012 pick.

I'd be "ok" with Knight and keeping him - but that would have more to do with his size, length, defense and considerable upside more than his ability to actually run the point right now.

Kemba needs to go to a team like the Hawks or the Heat or the Wolves or the Blazers IMO.

ohara · Post #269 » by **ohara** » Thu May 26, 2011 1:43 pm

Slam, I think you are dead right on Kemba. If he is there, take him. Someone will want him bad enough to trade us their later 2011 1st and we can quite likely get their 2012 pick. Makes is well worth it. But if we kept him, I would not cry about it.

daidalos · Post #270 » by **daidalos** » Thu May 26, 2011 2:29 pm

i think we would be in a good position with both kemba and brandon. they would be good on our team, they would be safe picks in the 9th spot. and if someone wants kemba badly enough to give us a later pick in this draft and a future pick, than it would be golden.

i would stick to knight. i think if everything pans out for him, he could be a great pg. and i think if knight would show progress near the trade deadline, than we could trade diaw+dj.

Post #271 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:19 pm

who is on your "want" list and your "do not want" list.... or simply indifferent?

mine (not really how i would draft or in any kind of order, but just who i want and dont want - some i have no valid reasoning for)

want
enes kanter
kyrie irving
derrick williams
alex burks
kawhi leonard
klay thompson
kenneth faried
jordan hamilton

do not want
jonas valanciunas
marcus morris
tristan thompson
donatas motiejunas
markieff morris
kyle singler
jordan williams

indifferent
kemba walker
jan vesely
bismack biyombo
brandon knight
marshon brooks
jimmer fredette

Post #272 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:35 pm

Want:
enes kanter
kyrie irving
derrick williams
alex burks
kawhi leonard
klay thompson
jordan hamilton
jordan williams
david lighty

Do Not Want:
tristan thompson
donatas motiejunas
markieff morris
kyle singler
josh selby
tobias harris
trey thompkins
jeremy tyler
reggie jackson

Indifferent:
kemba walker
jan vesely
bismack biyombo
brandon knight
marshon brooks
jimmer fredette
jonas valanciunas
marcus morris
chris singleton
kenneth faried

Of course it all comes down to where you are picking them too. Eg: I don't really want Tobias Harris at #9 or #19, but at #39 he might not be a bad pick.

This is a fun draft for me because there are no kids that I am totally crushing on and no kids I 100% hate!

ohara · Post #273 » by **ohara** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:38 pm

Like your Want list, and would not remove anyone, but would add (see below). Would take Valanciunas and Moni off the Do Not Want and put them on the Indifferent list. Take Kemba, Vesely, Knight and Brooks off the Indifferent and put them on the Want list.

Kembastockton · Post #274 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu May 26, 2011 5:03 pm

Wants from the lottery
Kyrie
Derrick
Kanter
Knight
Kawhi
Alec
A little high at nine, but if the other guys are gone.
Klay- I think one of the three most underrated players in the draft.
Singleton- Two
Brooks- Three

wants 19 range
Faried
Honeycutt
Fredette
Tobias

wants 39
Mack
Goudelock
Benson

Do not want
Kemba- Sorry don't care how quick he is no short shoot first pgs.
Jonas V.
Dontas
Tristan
Either Morris Twin
Reggie Jackson- Have you seen his shooting percentages?
Kyle Singler- His athletic tests were horrible.
Jordan Williams- see Singler

Indifferent
Vesely- Don't know enough to form an opinion.
Bismack- His skill set ( D ) is not as important for us as the skill set we need from a center. ( O )
Hamilton- I am just not convinced he is athletic enough to duplicate his scoring in the nba.

SWedd523 · Post #275 » by **SWedd523** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:18 pm

I Want
Kyrie
Williams
Knight
Kanter
Kawhi
Burks
Vesely
Hamilton
Klay
Faried
Singleton
Jenkins
Brooks
JaJuan
Goudelock

Indifferent
Biyombo
Marcus
Tobias
Vucevic
Reggie
Darius Morris
Honeycutt
Lee
Nolan Smith
Benson
Jordan Williams
Thompkins

Don't Want
Kemba
Motiejunas
Markieff
Tristan
Jimmer
Singler
Selby
Jeremy Tyler
Shumpert

Eoghan · Post #276 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 26, 2011 8:05 pm

Pipe Dream:
Irving
D. Williams
Kanter
B. Knight
Valanciunas
Singleton

Indifferent:
Motiejunas
Vesely
Kawhi Leonard
Biyombo
Burks
Jordan Hamilton
Klay Thompson
Kemba
Marshon Brooks

Oh Hell No:
Jimmer
Morris Twins
Kyle Singler
Jordan Williams
Fareid
Tristan Thompson
Darius Morris
Nolan Smith

ohara · Post #277 » by **ohara** » Thu May 26, 2011 8:22 pm

Wow! Seems Tristan and the Twins get no love from Bobcat fans. Lord help the FO if one of them go to us at #9. There will be a revolt of epic proportions!

Post #278 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 26, 2011 8:57 pm

ohara wrote:Wow! Seems Tristan and the Twins get no love from Bobcat fans. Lord help the FO is one of them go to us at #9. There will be a revolt of epic proportions!

this pretty much guarantees our first pick will be tristan and our second pick will be twin2.

Marvel · Post #279 » by **Marvel** » Thu May 26, 2011 9:39 pm

Reggie Jackson- Have you seen his shooting percentages?

If this is what you're talking bout:

08-09 - .440 FG%, 68 FT%, 27 3PT%
09-10 - .430 FG%, 73 FT%, 29 3PT%
10-11 - .503 FG%, 80 FT%, 42 3PT%

then yes i have.

W_HAMILTON · Post #280 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu May 26, 2011 9:58 pm

Want:
Derrick Williams
Kemba Walker
Jordan Hamilton
Kawhi Leonard
Tristan Thompson

Do Not Want:
White People
Kyrie Irving

Indifferent:
Enes Kanter
Brandon Knight
Bismack Biyombo
Jonas Valanciunas