Fake Trade Thread III

[MasterIchiro]

Lamb shooting 32% from the field and 15% from 3.

Yeah let's trade MKG for him !


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So you're using a small sample for Lamb but not for MKG who is 34% and 0%.

Henderson is 32% and 0%.

Our wings are shooting 0% from 3pt land. It doesn't make a trend but if MKG had an established track record of being able to actually shoot the ball 15 feet away let alone make shots consistently then it wouldn't be a concern. And Henderson has zero history of being an outside threat either. Both our wings are basically black holes on offense. And when someone comes along pointing out hey, maybe we need to address the outside shooting you pull up a cherry picked stat line. None of that makes the problem go away. They passed on Beal, passed on McLemore, passed on Mayo (perhaps he didn't want to play here) and now we have 2 wings who can't shoot the freakin' ball. So you don't like Lamb, find a shooter then or else we live with these 2 wings. It's a severe handicap.

Id much rather find a shooter who can actually shoot as opposed to a shooter who cant shoot, or really do much of anything on the NBA level, and hasn't proven he can either. Im sure we will address the need for a shooter either during the season or in the draft/free agency.

I'd much rather buy low on a shooter who's not hitting shots because he's considered a shooter for a reason than stick with 2 wings who can't hit shots, never have hit shots and have no potential to hit shots.

[Liver_Pooty]

So you're using a small sample for Lamb but not for MKG who is 34% and 0%.

Henderson is 32% and 0%.

Our wings are shooting 0% from 3pt land. It doesn't make a trend but if MKG had an established track record of being able to actually shoot the ball 15 feet away let alone make shots consistently then it wouldn't be a concern. And Henderson has zero history of being an outside threat either. Both our wings are basically black holes on offense. And when someone comes along pointing out hey, maybe we need to address the outside shooting you pull up a cherry picked stat line. None of that makes the problem go away. They passed on Beal, passed on McLemore, passed on Mayo (perhaps he didn't want to play here) and now we have 2 wings who can't shoot the freakin' ball. So you don't like Lamb, find a shooter then or else we live with these 2 wings. It's a severe handicap.

Id much rather find a shooter who can actually shoot as opposed to a shooter who cant shoot, or really do much of anything on the NBA level, and hasn't proven he can either. Im sure we will address the need for a shooter either during the season or in the draft/free agency.

I'd much rather buy low on a shooter who's not hitting shots because he's considered a shooter for a reason than stick with 2 wings who can't hit shots, never have hit shots and have no potential to hit shots.

Trading the second pick in last years draft for a player isn't buying low on anything.

[MasterIchiro]

Id much rather find a shooter who can actually shoot as opposed to a shooter who cant shoot, or really do much of anything on the NBA level, and hasn't proven he can either. Im sure we will address the need for a shooter either during the season or in the draft/free agency.

I'd much rather buy low on a shooter who's not hitting shots because he's considered a shooter for a reason than stick with 2 wings who can't hit shots, never have hit shots and have no potential to hit shots.

Trading the second pick in last years draft for a player isn't buying low on anything.

It means jacksquat. Derek Williams is a #2 overall pick. The T-Wolves kept prolonging the agony and his value fell even further from the initial notion of cutting their losses with him. If we can get a potential shooter for a potential bust I'm all for it. Otherwise, we have to trade Henderson. Nobody wants him. He got zero offers. He has no value. So we trade picks for a shooter? How many picks? I'd rather keep our picks in the upcoming draft, draft a SF and trade MKG.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Its so insane that you want to trade MKG for Jeremy Lamb that's its not even worth me commenting on anymore. Have at it.

[Eoghan]

Eh, Master Ichiro wanting to trade MKG for a shooter is a valid beef. If we traded MKG for Lamb I wouldn't hardly shed a tear.

[HornetJail]

Eh, Master Ichiro wanting to trade MKG for a shooter is a valid beef. If we traded MKG for Lamb I wouldn't hardly shed a tear.

rofl- at least say Klay Thompson to sound credible. Lamb isn't on MKG's tier. I like him a lot, but I absolutely wouldn't trade MKG for him.
Would I trade Henderson? probably.
Taylor? Yeah.
One Portland/Detroit's pick? yes.
Take back Perkins contract? Yes.
Give up on our 20-year-old with Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace upside? Hell no.

[MasterIchiro]

Eh, Master Ichiro wanting to trade MKG for a shooter is a valid beef. If we traded MKG for Lamb I wouldn't hardly shed a tear.

rofl- at least say Klay Thompson to sound credible. Lamb isn't on MKG's tier. I like him a lot, but I absolutely wouldn't trade MKG for him.
Would I trade Henderson? probably.
Taylor? Yeah.
One Portland/Detroit's pick? yes.
Take back Perkins contract? Yes.
Give up on our 20-year-old with Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace upside? Hell no.

How is your Thompson fake trade credible? GS has Barnes and will trade Thompson to get MKG who is worse than Barnes and tanking fast?

Thompson is a pipe dream for MKG.

MKG is not worth an established shooter because he has not proven squat. He is worth a shooter with potential. So other than Lamb, slim pickings on the tier you speak of.

[HornetJail]

How is your Thompson fake trade credible? GS has Barnes and will trade Thompson to get MKG who is worse than Barnes and tanking fast?

Thompson is a pipe dream for MKG.

MKG is not worth an established shooter because he has not proven squat. He is worth a shooter with potential. So other than Lamb, slim pickings on the tier you speak of

I know they wouldn't, given the fact they already have Iguodala (who right now is simply a better version of MKG) and Klay is a great fit for them. But value-wise, Thompson and MKG are close.

But if you think MKG could only fetch Jeremy Lamb, then we should all be more than happy to just keep MKG and pair him up with Lamb, because there are a million other ways to trade for him.

[MasterIchiro]

But value-wise, Thompson and MKG are close.

If by close you mean far away, then yeah, sure it's a credible statement.

[Eoghan]

Sorry, I have to agree with Ichiro. MKG hasn't proven much of anything thus far into his career. What are his elite skills? We know Klay has an elite skill: shooting. MKG isn't an elite athlete, he's not an elite defender, rebounder, passer, etc. He's just a really young wing with the potential to be very good in a well-rounded player sense. MKG is much closer to Lamb's tier than to Thompson's. If MKG has a season like this preseason, his tier will sink into Biyombo's 2nd year territory.

[Liver_Pooty]

Eh, Master Ichiro wanting to trade MKG for a shooter is a valid beef. If we traded MKG for Lamb I wouldn't hardly shed a tear.

rofl- at least say Klay Thompson to sound credible. Lamb isn't on MKG's tier. I like him a lot, but I absolutely wouldn't trade MKG for him.
Would I trade Henderson? probably.
Taylor? Yeah.
One Portland/Detroit's pick? yes.
Take back Perkins contract? Yes.
Give up on our 20-year-old with Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace upside? Hell no.

How is your Thompson fake trade credible? GS has Barnes and will trade Thompson to get MKG who is worse than Barnes and tanking fast?

Thompson is a pipe dream for MKG.

MKG is not worth an established shooter because he has not proven squat. He is worth a shooter with potential. So other than Lamb, slim pickings on the tier you speak of.

Lamb is a shooter who can't shoot. Actually he can't really do anything on the NBA level yet. Atleast MKG is an above average rebounder and defender. What is Lamb exactly? A lottery pick that played with Kemba Walker? Explain to me what he is.

[MasterIchiro]

This is Lamb's first legitimate shot at serious minutes so we'll see if he can't shoot. The potential is there. At UConn it was clear Lamb can shoot, slash, rebound and defend. He's definitely more of a scorer than this guy:

Kidd-Gilchrist was the second worst midrange shooter in the NBA last season, making just 24 percent of his shots

And MKG couldn't shoot in college either. Do you see what I mean by track record? When you are assessing young players, you kind of have to peek at college performance and factor that into projections. Right now I have nothing that tells me MKG has the potential to be a scorer. Do you?

Most of the offense is supposed to come from SG and SF and we have a guy who can't shoot and has no college history of being able to shoot plus Gerald Henderson.

Maybe you don't like Lamb's potential but seriously something needs to be done.

[Elden Payton]

The problem is that shooting is the only thing that MKG doesn't do well.

Shooting is the only thing Lamb does at a level above average and he is a very good shooter but he is not an elite one.

Trading MKG at this point would be pointless and even if we did then I am sure we would receive some tempting offers.

In regards to something being done, I am not sure why anything would need to be done at this point?

We are the best Bobcats side of the last 3 and a half seasons and we have potentially 3 lottery picks in the upcoming draft and 20m in cap space, nice spot to be sitting in.

A huge part of the reason for taking consecutive projects in Biz and MKG was to stay bad enought to have a shot at the #1 pick which has obviously failed.

If we traded MKG for Lamb then our spacing would improve but everything else would suffer and we would be absolutely getting raped in value.

Lamb has very little value at this point, we would be able to get him if we were willing to take on Perkins and give up Henderson and McBob.

Charlotte trades:

Henderson+McRoberts

Oklahoma trades:

Perkins+Lamb

I personally would not do this trade but I believe it to be something that OKC would probably do.

Westbrook/Henderson/Durant/Ibaka/Collison

[Radu_Hornets]

The problem is that shooting is the only thing that MKG doesn't do well.

Shooting is the only thing Lamb does at a level above average and he is a very good shooter but he is not an elite one.

Trading MKG at this point would be pointless and even if we did then I am sure we would receive some tempting offers.

In regards to something being done, I am not sure why anything would need to be done at this point?

We are the best Bobcats side of the last 3 and a half seasons and we have potentially 3 lottery picks in the upcoming draft and 20m in cap space, nice spot to be sitting in.

A huge part of the reason for taking consecutive projects in Biz and MKG was to stay bad enought to have a shot at the #1 pick which has obviously failed.

If we traded MKG for Lamb then our spacing would improve but everything else would suffer and we would be absolutely getting raped in value.

Lamb has very little value at this point, we would be able to get him if we were willing to take on Perkins and give up Henderson and McBob.

Charlotte trades:

Henderson+McRoberts

Oklahoma trades:

Perkins+Lamb

I personally would not do this trade but I believe it to be something that OKC would probably do.

Westbrook/Henderson/Durant/Ibaka/Collison

As I could see from last season and this preseason, McBobcats has so much improved our game that he is one of the players I wouldn't want to trade.
I know it's just preseason, but when he is on the floor, almost all the tactics starts by McBob having the ball highpost. And he has played so well since he signed with the team, all the time playing hard ! I see no point in trying to trade him even to get Lamb.

[JDR720]

it is true that MKG just shot 24% from "midrange" overall but he did shoot decently well from the left elbow and corner and the right corner shooting 37% at corners and 32% in left elbow which isn't to far below average (40% is average)

MKG's midrange shooting %'s (16ft to 3pt line)

Left Corner-15-41 36.57%
Left Elbow-16-50 32%
Center-4-18 22%
Right Elbow-8-36 22%
Right Corner-11-30 36.67%

so overall he shot 54-175 for a 31% shooting percentage from 16-24ft

he shot poorly from 8-16ft making 8-42 which is just 19% shooting percentage

so from "deep" midrange he somewhat decent and from "close midrange" he was horrible

he and Andre Iguodala shot very similarly from "deep" midrange Andre shot exactly 33% making 50-150 and from "close" midrange he shot 27% 30-110, he also shot 32% on 3's, MKG shot 22%

And MKG shot much better than Andre from the FT line, MKG 75% Andre 57%

So i think MKG's jumpshot should be very Andre Iguodala like if not a little better from certain ranges in a few years, and MKG is a much better rebounder he got more rebounds in 25mins than Andre did in 35mins just to throw that in

[Elden Payton]

The problem is that shooting is the only thing that MKG doesn't do well.

Shooting is the only thing Lamb does at a level above average and he is a very good shooter but he is not an elite one.

Trading MKG at this point would be pointless and even if we did then I am sure we would receive some tempting offers.

In regards to something being done, I am not sure why anything would need to be done at this point?

We are the best Bobcats side of the last 3 and a half seasons and we have potentially 3 lottery picks in the upcoming draft and 20m in cap space, nice spot to be sitting in.

A huge part of the reason for taking consecutive projects in Biz and MKG was to stay bad enought to have a shot at the #1 pick which has obviously failed.

If we traded MKG for Lamb then our spacing would improve but everything else would suffer and we would be absolutely getting raped in value.

Lamb has very little value at this point, we would be able to get him if we were willing to take on Perkins and give up Henderson and McBob.

Charlotte trades:

Henderson+McRoberts

Oklahoma trades:

Perkins+Lamb

I personally would not do this trade but I believe it to be something that OKC would probably do.

Westbrook/Henderson/Durant/Ibaka/Collison

As I could see from last season and this preseason, McBobcats has so much improved our game that he is one of the players I wouldn't want to trade.
I know it's just preseason, but when he is on the floor, almost all the tactics starts by McBob having the ball highpost. And he has played so well since he signed with the team, all the time playing hard ! I see no point in trying to trade him even to get Lamb.

I would not do this trade either but the point is that we could get Lamb without giving up MKG.

I personally would not mind having Lamb but not at the cost of MKG who has much more value and is the much better player and prospect.

[Liver_Pooty]

One would think Jeremy Lamb is a young Kobe with this thread.

[Radu_Hornets]

The problem is that shooting is the only thing that MKG doesn't do well.

Shooting is the only thing Lamb does at a level above average and he is a very good shooter but he is not an elite one.

Trading MKG at this point would be pointless and even if we did then I am sure we would receive some tempting offers.

In regards to something being done, I am not sure why anything would need to be done at this point?

We are the best Bobcats side of the last 3 and a half seasons and we have potentially 3 lottery picks in the upcoming draft and 20m in cap space, nice spot to be sitting in.

A huge part of the reason for taking consecutive projects in Biz and MKG was to stay bad enought to have a shot at the #1 pick which has obviously failed.

If we traded MKG for Lamb then our spacing would improve but everything else would suffer and we would be absolutely getting raped in value.

Lamb has very little value at this point, we would be able to get him if we were willing to take on Perkins and give up Henderson and McBob.

Charlotte trades:

Henderson+McRoberts

Oklahoma trades:

Perkins+Lamb

I personally would not do this trade but I believe it to be something that OKC would probably do.

Westbrook/Henderson/Durant/Ibaka/Collison

As I could see from last season and this preseason, McBobcats has so much improved our game that he is one of the players I wouldn't want to trade.
I know it's just preseason, but when he is on the floor, almost all the tactics starts by McBob having the ball highpost. And he has played so well since he signed with the team, all the time playing hard ! I see no point in trying to trade him even to get Lamb.

I would not do this trade either but the point is that we could get Lamb without giving up MKG.

I personally would not mind having Lamb but not at the cost of MKG who has much more value and is the much better player and prospect.

Actually I realized that you did not want to trade him either when I read a 2nd time your comment. I agree it would be nice to give a shot at him, but I wouldn't want to loose more than a second round + hendo for him.

[MasterIchiro]

I would not do this trade either but the point is that we could get Lamb without giving up MKG.

If that's the case I for one wonder why we, given our scoring situation and spacing issues, have not pulled the trigger and brought in a potential scorer and proven shooter (in college and the D-league).

But something tells me it's not that simple.

I suspect

1)Lamb is not for sale

2)If Lamb is for sale his price is higher than imagined

3)MKG at least opens the conversation

[JDuaneWayne]

Before this season we have had much more glaring weaknesses than the need for a shooter. It is easy to see now that we have Zeller and Jefferson. We won our games last season, when our guard play was above average, because our post play was rarely even average.

I personally think Lamb will never be more than a 4th option on a championship team and that is being very generous. Lamb will have to become a lethal scorer to have an impact in the league while MKG only has to become a sufficient scorer to have the same impact.