CDR and the Soul Tones - Chris Douglas-Roberts Thread

[mrknowitall215]

If CDR can't at least be our 15th man then production obviously means nothing in our team's evaluation process. I like Taylor and all, but what if he struggles badly after that injury? What if Hairston hot boxes the bathroom right before tipoff (possibly with Lance and/or Josh Gordon)? CDR is a guy we know can step in should these highly plausible scenarios unfold.

'And1' all of this, and not to mention he was a great locker room guy that despite not being a household name is well respected around the league by players like LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and etc.

[yosemiteben]

I think if we resign CDR, we will do it after/if we make our big move in FA.

Agree. With the uncertainty in this offseason around how much we're going to spend, it makes sense to put him on the backburner and see how much cap space is left at the end of the day and how that compares with other offers he's received.

Not gonna lie, gonna be pretty disappointed if he goes elsewhere.

[chabber]

http://swarmandsting.com/2014/07/16/hor ... s-roberts/

I won't let this thread die until there is a resolution. CDR played a role in our success last season that I don't think can be replaced by our current crop of SG's. With the exception of Lance, he has more diversity in his game than the rest. He's proven his value in actual games and also played well in the playoffs. (PER 18.9)

There are many reasons he is not on this roster right now but they mostly have nothing to do with what transpires on the court. The fact that we have two draft picks at SG who's talent levels are more appropriate to the D-League than an actual NBA team is a huge one.

Neal is another, but on a team lacking shooters, it's understandable they haven't traded the only proven one currently on the roster.

Then there is Henderson. He can still play a decent role as a backup. I have a hard time not liking him even though I think his position on the team could easily be replaced CDR or at least they could work well in tandem off of the bench.

Anyway, to the point. I think the situation CDR finds himself in currently, just sucks. He's deserving of more than what he's being offered, not just from us but from other teams. I'm holding out hope that we've been closely talking to him this off-season and that he's still in our plans in some form or another, but I will be extremely disappointed if he's not.

[SnapBack30]

CDR played hard for Charlotte. In an abbreviated season (signed in December) CDR became a key rotation player. He was the difference maker in the Hornets late season run. Why in the hell CDR wasn't immediately resigned by the Hornets is a real head scratcher! What more could he do than actually OUTPLAY the teammates he was "subbing" for? CDR averaged 10 points in the freaking PLAYOFFS where he shot the 3 at 50%! Yet the Hornets, one season away from an historically abysmal season, has not resigned a player who helped establish some respectability for the team. Go figure...

[Elden Payton]

We're 2 seasons from a historically abysmal season and heading into the third.

I agree with your point though, he really should be re-signed.

I imagine he will be our last FA signed.

Hopefully another team doesn't sign him first.

[Snidely FC]

Like you guys I love CDR. But we've got Lance, Hendo, Neal & Hairston (even Taylor) at SG.

We have got to find a way to ditch Neal, then they can bring CDR back!

[SnapBack30]

"But we've got Lance...". The other shooting guards are not better than CDR has actually shown himself to be. So it's still a dicey idea to back burner him for all or some of them. Anyway I guess Cho and the honchos are the strategic thinkers here...

[jakenc]

Bring back CDR. Great guy, hard worker, and can actually play. For the price you can get him at what more can you ask for?
Edit: although it would be optimal to ditch Neal or Hendo prior to signing CDR.

[BlackOutBuzz]

We just have too many wings at the moment. We have two spots left and need another big and PG. I definitely think we may bring him back though if we trade Hendo and/or Neal.

Sent from my SM-G900V using RealGM Forums mobile app

[Stun704]

http://swarmandsting.com/2014/07/16/hornets-must-bring-back-chris-douglas-roberts/

I won't let this thread die until there is a resolution. CDR played a role in our success last season that I don't think can be replaced by our current crop of SG's. With the exception of Lance, he has more diversity in his game than the rest. He's proven his value in actual games and also played well in the playoffs. (PER 18.9)

There are many reasons he is not on this roster right now but they mostly have nothing to do with what transpires on the court. The fact that we have two draft picks at SG who's talent levels are more appropriate to the D-League than an actual NBA team is a huge one.

Neal is another, but on a team lacking shooters, it's understandable they haven't traded the only proven one currently on the roster.

Then there is Henderson. He can still play a decent role as a backup. I have a hard time not liking him even though I think his position on the team could easily be replaced CDR or at least they could work well in tandem off of the bench.

Anyway, to the point. I think the situation CDR finds himself in currently, just sucks. He's deserving of more than what he's being offered, not just from us but from other teams. I'm holding out hope that we've been closely talking to him this off-season and that he's still in our plans in some form or another, but I will be extremely disappointed if he's not.

I'm a fan of CDR but where does getting deboed by dwade at the end of game two rank in his list of accomplishments. He needs to hit the gym too

[mrknowitall215]

I'm a fan of CDR but where does getting deboed by dwade at the end of game two rank in his list of accomplishments. He needs to hit the gym too

It ranks as a foul that wasn't called by bias officiating in my book

[chabber]

I'm a fan of CDR but where does getting deboed by dwade at the end of game two rank in his list of accomplishments. He needs to hit the gym too

It ranks as a foul that wasn't called by bias officiating in my book

Even at that, you're specifically talking about an individual instance against a very good defender when he wants to be. Wade made a lot of our wings looks stupid in that regard during the series.

He is on the lean side though.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm a fan of CDR but where does getting deboed by dwade at the end of game two rank in his list of accomplishments. He needs to hit the gym too

It ranks as a foul that wasn't called by bias officiating in my book

Even at that, you're specifically talking about an individual instance against a very good defender when he wants to be. Wade made a lot of our wings looks stupid in that regard during the series.

He is on the lean side though.

I agree, Wade made Henderson his bitch the entire series, not just a instance

CDR certainly is very slender, and that's why I see him as moreso a shooting guard than a small forward, even though he could spell at both positions. It's all a part of his vegan diet and/or way of life

[chabber]

It ranks as a foul that wasn't called by bias officiating in my book

Even at that, you're specifically talking about an individual instance against a very good defender when he wants to be. Wade made a lot of our wings looks stupid in that regard during the series.

He is on the lean side though.

I agree, Wade made Henderson his bitch the entire series, not just a instance

CDR certainly is very slender, and that's why I see him as moreso a shooting guard than a small forward, even though he could spell at both positions. It's all a part of his vegan diet and/or way of life

I was actually shocked at how badly Henderson defended Wade one on one. He's played him much better in the past, but of course the stakes were higher this time.

[Stun704]

Even at that, you're specifically talking about an individual instance against a very good defender when he wants to be. Wade made a lot of our wings looks stupid in that regard during the series.

He is on the lean side though.

I agree, Wade made Henderson his bitch the entire series, not just a instance

CDR certainly is very slender, and that's why I see him as moreso a shooting guard than a small forward, even though he could spell at both positions. It's all a part of his vegan diet and/or way of life

I was actually shocked at how badly Henderson defended Wade one on one. He's played him much better in the past, but of course the stakes were higher this time.

Henderson has no one to blame but himself for losing his starting job, and potentially becoming end of the bench fodder. I don't know if Clifford has the balls, but Hairston serves as a better sixth man then Henderson right now

[mrknowitall215]

Douglas-Roberts,Chris - Jefferson,Al - Kidd-Gilchrist,Michael - McRoberts,Josh - Walker,Kemba

This lineup only played 4 minutes together in the playoffs, but they were very successful according to NBA.com stats http://stats.nba.com/teamLineups.html?T ... e=Playoffs

The above is somewhat of a meaningless post to a certain extent, but I just wanted to throw it out there...

So, I figured that I should look into how this lineup performed during the regular season. During the regular season, CDR replaced Henderson with the starters for only 61 minutes. However, during that 61 minutes that CDR spent on the floor with the starters as a shooting guard, they posted a beyond effective +24.5 net rating http://stats.nba.com/teamLineups.html?T ... =MIN*GE*60

[TheKingofSting]

CDR will be missed but we just have no room for him unless Taylor is not healthy.

[Braggins]

I agree that CDR would be our second best SG if we signed him. I want him back. I would resign him and do everything I can to unload at least Neal and not worry about playing Hairston (at least this year) and JT at all. If we can unload Hendo too then great. Even if we just get rid of Neal for hopefully a PF then Hendo can play mostly at backup SF and CDR can play backup SG.

[yosemiteben]

I don't know if Clifford has the balls, but Hairston serves as a better sixth man then Henderson right now

STRONGLY disagree, and I'm a Hairston fan. I would wait until you see Hairston's defense on NBA guys before you share that opinion too much.

[catch20two]

Am I the only one that think it's a bad look if we don't re-sign CDR? It's already kinda bad that we didn't retain Tolliver but damn it would make me mad if we don't bring CDR back. CDR and Tolliver were like our best bench players last year and not bringing neither back would be like WTF.