Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

[MasterIchiro]

I tell you what let see how many people think you can base every opinion you have on a clip of highlights. Lets decide all our starts based on five minute highlight clips from now on and see how we do. I am very curious how many think like you that a highlight clip decides how good players are completely.

I do like how you adjusted the quote to fit your needs though. Maybe I should cry to the mods and try to get you to fix your partial quote. Nah I am not that much of a baby about things.

Oh so now you're interested in surveying people before drawing conclusions about what everyone sees and thinks? Progress, I guess.

We have had this discussion before so I felt good about what I said. We all talked about the highlights and how they are fun to watch but don't really provide much out of context like this. I believe you even agreed then. But then again you seem to just say random stuff you say over and over again without any backing to it. It is a shame we can't call the ideas what they are or we get in trouble because you cry about it. Removing the boards freedoms to call a spade a spade must have seemed like a huge accomplishment to you.

I am not 'crying' or being a 'baby' about anything. I'm calling you out on drawing conclusions for everyone and you're admitting that you speak for everyone (or that you think you do).

[BleedTeal]

Everybody love everybody

And now, back to Basketball.

[Bassman]

Without McBob 'd vote to start Noah, with plenty of Zeller as needed relative to fouls or situation. Experience will bring Vonleh up faster than being spoon fed as the 3rd option. Now...if he struggles horribly, you obviously would pull him back on minutes to help him and the team. I'm sure we'll have some veteran (if not McBob) that could give us minutes there too.

Zeller will improve. I do not see him as a quality starting PF; could become a starting 5 years downstream with extra work and strength.

[yosemiteben]

I don't know - Noah only played 27 MPG for a very poor Indiana squad last year. I don't think there's a chance he starts.

I'm more optimistic about Zeller than some, but I do think it'll be a step back at the position if Zeller becomes the starter and is backed up by Noah. For me the debate is how far is the step back, and how does that shake out with the other roster changes we undergo.

[Stun704]

The PF position is almost if not more so saturated then the PG position, we should run with Zeller/Noah/and maybe Adrien there and if it doesn't workout we could easily pick up a serviceable vet midseason via trade or signing

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't know - Noah only played 27 MPG for a very poor Indiana squad last year. I don't think there's a chance he starts.

I'm more optimistic about Zeller than some, but I do think it'll be a step back at the position if Zeller becomes the starter and is backed up by Noah. For me the debate is how far is the step back, and how does that shake out with the other roster changes we undergo.

Agreed. Noah isn't starting for a long while. Depending on who we sign in free agency that might be able to help Walker facilitate and in the play making department (Cough, Stephenson) it may not be as drastic a step back from McRoberts to Zeller as it would be if we dont.

[ARHornet]

Vonleh isn't near ready to start. He's got a lot of work to do. Zeller is going to have to play 32+ minutes a night unless we bring someone else in or want to play small, which is something Clifford doesn't like to do. Personally, I'm not comfortable with Zeller in that role right now.

[BeesWax]

I don't know - Noah only played 27 MPG for a very poor Indiana squad last year. I don't think there's a chance he starts.

I'm more optimistic about Zeller than some, but I do think it'll be a step back at the position if Zeller becomes the starter and is backed up by Noah. For me the debate is how far is the step back, and how does that shake out with the other roster changes we undergo.

Agreed. Noah isn't starting for a long while. Depending on who we sign in free agency that might be able to help Walker facilitate and in the play making department (Cough, Stephenson) it may not be as drastic a step back from McRoberts to Zeller as it would be if we dont.

I think it is to much pressure for Zeller. If we bring in Lance he becomes far and away the worst player we have on the floor and starts getting the Henderson treatment. He can't play an effective 30 minutes right now night in and night out.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't know - Noah only played 27 MPG for a very poor Indiana squad last year. I don't think there's a chance he starts.

I'm more optimistic about Zeller than some, but I do think it'll be a step back at the position if Zeller becomes the starter and is backed up by Noah. For me the debate is how far is the step back, and how does that shake out with the other roster changes we undergo.

Agreed. Noah isn't starting for a long while. Depending on who we sign in free agency that might be able to help Walker facilitate and in the play making department (Cough, Stephenson) it may not be as drastic a step back from McRoberts to Zeller as it would be if we dont.

I think it is to much pressure for Zeller. If we bring in Lance he becomes far and away the worst player we have on the floor and starts getting the Henderson treatment. He can't play an effective 30 minutes right now night in and night out.

May not have a choice depending on what McBob wants. Still have to get a backup PG as well.

[BeesWax]

Agreed. Noah isn't starting for a long while. Depending on who we sign in free agency that might be able to help Walker facilitate and in the play making department (Cough, Stephenson) it may not be as drastic a step back from McRoberts to Zeller as it would be if we dont.

I think it is to much pressure for Zeller. If we bring in Lance he becomes far and away the worst player we have on the floor and starts getting the Henderson treatment. He can't play an effective 30 minutes right now night in and night out.

May not have a choice depending on what McBob wants. Still have to get a backup PG as well.

Then we need to look at Davis or someone else. Zeller is not ready to start and might be hurt irreparably by the criticism he will face. Being the weakest link and only non starting caliber player on the floor will make him a lightning rod. It is one reason you have to be so careful about starting rookies to early.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think it is to much pressure for Zeller. If we bring in Lance he becomes far and away the worst player we have on the floor and starts getting the Henderson treatment. He can't play an effective 30 minutes right now night in and night out.

May not have a choice depending on what McBob wants. Still have to get a backup PG as well.

Then we need to look at Davis or someone else. Zeller is not ready to start and might be hurt irreparably by the criticism he will face. Being the weakest link and only non starting caliber player on the floor will make him a lightning rod. It is one reason you have to be so careful about starting rookies to early.

Ed Davis is pure garbage. I'd rather let Vonleh start than Davis for Christ sake.

[ARHornet]

May not have a choice depending on what McBob wants. Still have to get a backup PG as well.

Then we need to look at Davis or someone else. Zeller is not ready to start and might be hurt irreparably by the criticism he will face. Being the weakest link and only non starting caliber player on the floor will make him a lightning rod. It is one reason you have to be so careful about starting rookies to early.

Ed Davis is pure garbage. I'd rather let Vonleh start than Davis for Christ sake.

Yep, I'm not one that wants Zeller or Vonleh starting next year, but Ed Davis certainly isn't the answer to our problems. If he's the best we can do, we just need to start Zeller and bring Vonleh off the bench and hope they develop fast.

[BeesWax]

Then we need to look at Davis or someone else. Zeller is not ready to start and might be hurt irreparably by the criticism he will face. Being the weakest link and only non starting caliber player on the floor will make him a lightning rod. It is one reason you have to be so careful about starting rookies to early.

Ed Davis is pure garbage. I'd rather let Vonleh start than Davis for Christ sake.

Yep, I'm not one that wants Zeller or Vonleh starting next year, but Ed Davis certainly isn't the answer to our problems. If he's the best we can do, we just need to start Zeller and bring Vonleh off the bench and hope they develop fast.

Then bring back Adrien to start. Ruining a player we spent such a high pick on isn't a good idea. Having a buffer for him would be good.

[ARHornet]

Ed Davis is pure garbage. I'd rather let Vonleh start than Davis for Christ sake.

Yep, I'm not one that wants Zeller or Vonleh starting next year, but Ed Davis certainly isn't the answer to our problems. If he's the best we can do, we just need to start Zeller and bring Vonleh off the bench and hope they develop fast.

Then bring back Adrien to start. Ruining a player we spent such a high pick on isn't a good idea. Having a buffer for him would be good.

The idea of Adrien as a starter is something I've been thinking about recently. I think Clifford views him more as a 5, but Adrien did pretty well in Milwaukee and he mostly played the 4 there. So I could see it working. That would leave you with major floor spacing concerns though with Adrien, MKG, and Al as your front court.

I still am holding out hopes for McRoberts on a 2 year deal, but we'll see what happens.

[JDR720]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

[Liver_Pooty]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

Moderately improved from whatever they were when he started for McRoberts last season during that little stint.

Which wasn't bad at all.

Edit: He averaged a solid 10/8 during that stretch.

[JDR720]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

Moderately improved from whatever they were when he started for McRoberts last season during that little stint.

Which wasn't bad at all.

Edit: He averaged a solid 10/8 during that stretch.

that's almost a double in 30 mins and should've been better if he hit his FT's

[catch20two]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

Moderately improved from whatever they were when he started for McRoberts last season during that little stint.

Which wasn't bad at all.

Edit: He averaged a solid 10/8 during that stretch.

What was his FG%?

[Liver_Pooty]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

Moderately improved from whatever they were when he started for McRoberts last season during that little stint.

Which wasn't bad at all.

Edit: He averaged a solid 10/8 during that stretch.

What was his FG%?

60%

[JDR720]

Im gonna say 30mins

12ppg/7.5rpg/2ast 47% shooting 76%FT 1blk and 1stl