Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[MasterIchiro]

Well, yeah. Parker is obviously superior to MKG.

Not obvious to all.

There is nothing homicidal to suggest Parker over MKG.

The #1 pick isn't going to be sent out for 2 years of Big Al.

It is obvious. I agree Parker is better than MKG but Al and MKG > Parker and Waiters. You were the one saying we need to win next season now you want this garbage.

You were the one last year who said Al's contract was a bad contract but now he's worth Jabari Parker. Take Waiters out of the deal. 2 years of Al + the filler you offered for Jabari Parker? Doesn't work.

[catch20two]

Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

I looked it up and Monroe average 16/10 per 36 while Hill average 15/12 per 36. Monroe has a career average of 31 minutes per game at 14/9 while looking at the career splits Hill average 16/11 whenever he get over 30 minutes in a game averaging out at 32 minutes. They are very similar players, just Monroe has a name coming out of high school being in magazines and such.

So if Hill and Monroe were paid the exact same amount you would choose Hill over Monroe?

I would probably lean towards Hill because at least he can play some defense. Ain't no team ever gonna seriously win, have a better seeding than 6, or make it past the 1st round with Monroe's no defense having ass starting and taking up 13 mil of their salary cap. I'll stand by that statement.

[BeesWax]

Waiters was drafted 2 spots after MKG. Who has more trade value around the league?

I would say the guy with the elite defense as opposed to the guy who can't get along with his teammate and was said to have a rift in the locker room. Now it may have been Kyrie that was the problem but unless you were in Cleveland you don't know. Smallish SG who does not shoot much better than Hendo and plays not good defense man how are we not jumping all over this?

[MasterIchiro]

Everyone does laugh because we give up the best and third best player in your trade and land squarely in the running for the top pick next year. We take on Monroe for way to much and have a terrible season. You are correct we become the laughing stock of the league on this deal. Are you really a Cavs fan in hiding here?

No everyone laughs at the thought of refusing to part with MKG when you have Jabari Parker. 2 years of a 30 year old with bad knees doesn't get you Jabari Parker.

Then they can keep the pick. You said don't take a step back now you want to be a bottom of the lottery team next season. Which side are you on? Bad trades to make sure we are a 7 seed then bad trades to land a talent and be back in the lottery.

You trade Al Jefferson and expect not to take a step back? ok

[Liver_Pooty]

Well, yeah. Parker is obviously superior to MKG.

Not obvious to all.

There is nothing homicidal to suggest Parker over MKG.

The #1 pick isn't going to be sent out for 2 years of Big Al.

It is obvious. I agree Parker is better than MKG but Al and MKG > Parker and Waiters. You were the one saying we need to win next season now you want this garbage.

Would depend how much faith you have in Biyombo. Some have even suggested on here that we are better with Biyombo other than Jefferson, which makes me nauseous to think about to be honest.

[Liver_Pooty]

I looked it up and Monroe average 16/10 per 36 while Hill average 15/12 per 36. Monroe has a career average of 31 minutes per game at 14/9 while looking at the career splits Hill average 16/11 whenever he get over 30 minutes in a game averaging out at 32 minutes. They are very similar players, just Monroe has a name coming out of high school being in magazines and such.

So if Hill and Monroe were paid the exact same amount you would choose Hill over Monroe?

I would probably lean towards Hill because at least he can play some defense. Ain't no team ever gonna seriously win, have a better seeding than 6, or make it past the 1st round with Monroe's no defense having ass starting and taking up 13 mil of their salary cap. I'll stand by that statement.

I agree with you about Monroe and the 13 mill, but no way I would take Hill over him if they make the same money. Its nothing to debate over to be honest. We both don't want Monroe.

[BeesWax]

No everyone laughs at the thought of refusing to part with MKG when you have Jabari Parker. 2 years of a 30 year old with bad knees doesn't get you Jabari Parker.

Then they can keep the pick. You said don't take a step back now you want to be a bottom of the lottery team next season. Which side are you on? Bad trades to make sure we are a 7 seed then bad trades to land a talent and be back in the lottery.

You trade Al Jefferson and expect not to take a step back? ok

Know YOU said we can't afford to multiple times earlier in support of your terrible FA signing suggestions.

I am fine taking a step back but I am not going to give up way more than I get back for one player. Parker is good and for Al and Zeller sure but not Al and MKG. At that point we are giving up two player who have proven to do something very well in the NBA. Way to much leaving for one good player.

[MasterIchiro]

Waiters was drafted 2 spots after MKG. Who has more trade value around the league?

I would say the guy with the elite defense as opposed to the guy who can't get along with his teammate and was said to have a rift in the locker room. Now it may have been Kyrie that was the problem but unless you were in Cleveland you don't know. Smallish SG who does not shoot much better than Hendo and plays not good defense man how are we not jumping all over this?

MKG has more trade value than Waiters? MKG doesn't know how to shoot a basketball. Cavs would reject that offer big time.

[BeesWax]

Not obvious to all.

There is nothing homicidal to suggest Parker over MKG.

The #1 pick isn't going to be sent out for 2 years of Big Al.

It is obvious. I agree Parker is better than MKG but Al and MKG > Parker and Waiters. You were the one saying we need to win next season now you want this garbage.

Would depend how much faith you have in Biyombo. Some have even suggested on here that we are better with Biyombo other than Jefferson, which makes me nauseous to think about to be honest.

I liked the idea of going with Biz this past year but now that we abandoned the rebuild for short term gains we can't backtrack the next season. Give up on the young guys to make playoffs then become the worst team in the East the next season. Build a good defensive team then become bottom tier. Just does not make sense.

[catch20two]

Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.

Biz has his critics too like Bassman and you. Kemba has his detractors too. McBob doesn't need to be replaced but our team could be a lot better if we upgraded his position and made him a good backup like he should be, and the same for Hendo.

[BeesWax]

Waiters was drafted 2 spots after MKG. Who has more trade value around the league?

I would say the guy with the elite defense as opposed to the guy who can't get along with his teammate and was said to have a rift in the locker room. Now it may have been Kyrie that was the problem but unless you were in Cleveland you don't know. Smallish SG who does not shoot much better than Hendo and plays not good defense man how are we not jumping all over this?

MKG has more trade value than Waiters? MKG doesn't know how to shoot a basketball. Cavs would reject that offer big time.

Well then they are dumb. Oh wait we have know that since the draft last year. If they don't like it you know MKG is better.

[Liver_Pooty]

It is obvious. I agree Parker is better than MKG but Al and MKG > Parker and Waiters. You were the one saying we need to win next season now you want this garbage.

Would depend how much faith you have in Biyombo. Some have even suggested on here that we are better with Biyombo other than Jefferson, which makes me nauseous to think about to be honest.

I liked the idea of going with Biz this past year but now that we abandoned the rebuild for short term gains we can't backtrack the next season. Give up on the young guys to make playoffs then become the worst team in the East the next season. Build a good defensive team then become bottom tier. Just does not make sense.

This past year we were able to make the playoffs AND get a top 10 pick though. We are now able to draft talent, develop current talent, and still have a playoff team. Best of both worlds. This past season went absolutely perfect in my eyes. Other than getting Miami in the first round I wouldn't change a thing.

[MasterIchiro]

I would say the guy with the elite defense as opposed to the guy who can't get along with his teammate and was said to have a rift in the locker room. Now it may have been Kyrie that was the problem but unless you were in Cleveland you don't know. Smallish SG who does not shoot much better than Hendo and plays not good defense man how are we not jumping all over this?

MKG has more trade value than Waiters? MKG doesn't know how to shoot a basketball. Cavs would reject that offer big time.

Well then they are dumb. Oh wait we have know that since the draft last year. If they don't like it you know MKG is better.

"dumb". There's that word again.

No GM would part with Waiters for MKG. So they are all dumb and you are smart. OK

[Liver_Pooty]

Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.

Biz has his critics too like Bassman and you. Kemba has his detractors too. McBob doesn't need to be replaced but our team could be a lot better if we upgraded his position and made him a good backup like he should be, and the same for Hendo.

Im a critic of Biyombo, but Im also a big time fan. I praise him at times, but down him at times as well. Hes working his ass off right now to get better, but Im not sure he is going to be the player we all thought he would be when he was drafted.

[Liver_Pooty]

MKG has more trade value than Waiters? MKG doesn't know how to shoot a basketball. Cavs would reject that offer big time.

Well then they are dumb. Oh wait we have know that since the draft last year. If they don't like it you know MKG is better.

"dumb". There's that word again.

No GM would part with Waiters for MKG. So they are all dumb and you are smart. OK

Have to disagree with you on that one Ichiro. Cavs want to keep Irving, or at least I would think they would. Him and Waiters get along like a Cat and a Dog do, add onto that their glaring hole at SF I think we could get more than just Waiters out of a potential player for player swap. We would be doing them a huge service.

[MasterIchiro]

Would depend how much faith you have in Biyombo. Some have even suggested on here that we are better with Biyombo other than Jefferson, which makes me nauseous to think about to be honest.

I liked the idea of going with Biz this past year but now that we abandoned the rebuild for short term gains we can't backtrack the next season. Give up on the young guys to make playoffs then become the worst team in the East the next season. Build a good defensive team then become bottom tier. Just does not make sense.

This past year we were able to make the playoffs AND get a top 10 pick though. We are now able to draft talent, develop current talent, and still have a playoff team. Best of both worlds. This past season went absolutely perfect in my eyes. Other than getting Miami in the first round I wouldn't change a thing.

I agree. We're in a position to add a third star with pick 9 and sign Al's replacement with our cap space at some point in the future, not necessarily now. My point is we can keep the winning going and stay young. I honestly don't mind if they set a 2-year timetable to further develop MKG, Zeller, Biz and pick 9.

[MasterIchiro]

Would depend how much faith you have in Biyombo. Some have even suggested on here that we are better with Biyombo other than Jefferson, which makes me nauseous to think about to be honest.

I liked the idea of going with Biz this past year but now that we abandoned the rebuild for short term gains we can't backtrack the next season. Give up on the young guys to make playoffs then become the worst team in the East the next season. Build a good defensive team then become bottom tier. Just does not make sense.

This past year we were able to make the playoffs AND get a top 10 pick though. We are now able to draft talent, develop current talent, and still have a playoff team. Best of both worlds. This past season went absolutely perfect in my eyes. Other than getting Miami in the first round I wouldn't change a thing.

I agree. We're in a position to add a third star with pick 9 and sign Al's replacement with our cap space at some point in the future, not necessarily now. My point is we can keep the winning going and stay young. I honestly don't mind if they set a 2-year timetable to further develop MKG, Zeller, Biz and pick 9.

[MasterIchiro]

Well then they are dumb. Oh wait we have know that since the draft last year. If they don't like it you know MKG is better.

"dumb". There's that word again.

No GM would part with Waiters for MKG. So they are all dumb and you are smart. OK

Have to disagree with you on that one Ichiro. Cavs want to keep Irving, or at least I would think they would. Him and Waiters get along like a Cat and a Dog do, add onto that their glaring hole at SF I think we could get more than just Waiters out of a potential player for player swap. We would be doing them a huge service.

Well there's talent and there's chemistry. So far I'd say all GM's and I mean every one on every team would rate Waiters as more talented/productive.

[Liver_Pooty]

I liked the idea of going with Biz this past year but now that we abandoned the rebuild for short term gains we can't backtrack the next season. Give up on the young guys to make playoffs then become the worst team in the East the next season. Build a good defensive team then become bottom tier. Just does not make sense.

This past year we were able to make the playoffs AND get a top 10 pick though. We are now able to draft talent, develop current talent, and still have a playoff team. Best of both worlds. This past season went absolutely perfect in my eyes. Other than getting Miami in the first round I wouldn't change a thing.

I agree. We're in a position to add a third star with pick 9 and sign Al's replacement with our cap space at some point in the future, not necessarily now. My point is we can keep the winning going and stay young. I honestly don't mind if they set a 2-year timetable to further develop MKG, Zeller, Biz and pick 9.

They're going to have to set that 2 year time table for MKG, Zeller, and Biyombo. I wouldn't be surprised if whomever we pick at 9 contributes as much or more than them in year 1 as they do next season.

[catch20two]

Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.

Biz has his critics too like Bassman and you. Kemba has his detractors too. McBob doesn't need to be replaced but our team could be a lot better if we upgraded his position and made him a good backup like he should be, and the same for Hendo.

Im a critic of Biyombo, but Im also a big time fan. I praise him at times, but down him at times as well. Hes working his ass off right now to get better, but Im not sure he is going to be the player we all thought he would be when he was drafted.

That depends on what you thought he could be. I had hope that he could be a elite shot blocker and rim protector and he's became that. Of course I want for him to get more fundamentally sound from this point with simple stuff like catching the ball and finishing in traffic without turning the ball over but he's still relatively raw and young. He'll put it fully together in years to come but he's almost near a impact player as a defender. I have to go back to when Biz was drafted thread to see your expectations of him. Lol