BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[JMAC3]

You know it is bad when bro had to use the webster dictionary.

[LofJ]

Gabe Vincent and our very own Caleb Martin were both playing in the G-League not that long ago. Now they're starting on a team in the Finals. There is a ton of talent in the g-league, arguments to the contrary are not based on facts.

[SWedd523]

As crap as the swarm are and as lackadaisical as the gleague appears, I would still assume the swarm would steamroll most college teams on any given night, because the swarm are a team of grown ass pros who were all "the man" in college.

The games may not be as intense, but the level of comp is much better. Not sure how that can be disputed. Same goes for top European leagues (although those have comp and intensity)

Apologies if I misunderstood you argument.

High school games can be intense, doesn't mean the comp level is good. I dunno.

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Eh I'd argue the truth is definitely somewhere in the middle.

[KingCat]

You know it is bad when bro had to use the webster dictionary.

To prove that G League is a professional league by definition? Care to elaborate or do you just want witty points?

[SWedd523]

Gabe Vincent and our very own Caleb Martin were both playing in the G-League not that long ago. Now they're starting on a team in the Finals. There is a ton of talent in the g-league, arguments to the contrary are not based on facts.

Paolo Banchero just averaged 20/7/4 against actual professionals after spending one year in college.

Which of the three would you rather have?

[SWedd523]

It's funny how you call some of the excuses for Scoot's cons "crazy" but then turn around and say Miller performed badly vs good competition because it was "tough" and that pointing this out is nitpicking. If top college teams are too tough for Miller, what do you think pro teams will be like for him?

And you mention tough competition...Scoot's been going against tougher competitors since he was 17. Sure he has had some clunkers as well, but not many as egregiously bad as some of Miller's performances.

I'm curious who played against more first round draft picks (and projected).

"Scoot played in a professional league against better competition"

But I'm seeing a lot of undrafted guys, bust, and young relegated dudes who can't get minutes. Not many guys teams are clamoring over

Looking at the Ignite Roster

John Jenkins-23rd pick in 2012, peaked as a rookie scoring 6.1 ppg. Waived, has bounced around to like 14 different teams across 4 continents

Leonard Miller-projected to be a mid first this year. averaged 18/10/2 on better splits than Scoot across the board

Eric Mika- undrafted

Cameron Young-undrafted

Sidy Cissoko-projected to be a mid first this year. averaged 12/3/3

London Johnson-another young guy, doesn't seem to be projected in any mocks I'm seeing. averaged 10/2/3

Mojave King-another young guy projected to be a late first to second rounder. averaged 10/4/1

Aubrey Dawkins-undrafted


Solid mix of guys in his age group with no real professional experience, a few dudes who never made the league, and one guy who was cut before his rookie deal was over.

"Professional league"

Blud trying to say G League isn't professional when it is by the very definition

participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs

A large majority of the competitors and average college athlete plays aganist will never be good enough to get paid to play.

What does "blud" mean?

I put professional league in quotations so as to mock the moniker.

There's a reason second round draft picks and scrubs who can't crack an actual NBA roster go down there and dominate

and thanks for the ad hominem instead of addressing the actual substance of my post. I'm sure London Johnson and Eric Mika appreciate your support

[LofJ]

Gabe Vincent and our very own Caleb Martin were both playing in the G-League not that long ago. Now they're starting on a team in the Finals. There is a ton of talent in the g-league, arguments to the contrary are not based on facts.

Paolo Banchero just averaged 20/7/4 against actual professionals after spending one year in college.

Which of the three would you rather have?

Paulo obviously, he was the number one pick for a reason.

I never said there isn't good competition in the SEC, ACC, etc. I just take issue with the false assertion that the G-League isn't filled with talented players because it undoubtedly is.

[JMAC3]

You know it is bad when bro had to use the webster dictionary.

To prove that G League is a professional league by definition? Care to elaborate or do you just want witty points?

No just funny that you thought the conversation needed it... like Sweed was confused and didn't know that it was a professional league haha.

This board is severely overrating the talent and competitiveness of the Gleague.
It is better in some ways and worse in some ways than college.
I am not going to automatically boost a guys draft stock or knock it for playing in one over the other.

The actual sample of guys coming through the gleague so far isn't great though. Therefore I am going to value it roughly the same as college path.

[KingCat]

I mean we can argue in circles all day about it. A lot of those 2nd round scrubs were also absolute studs in college.

At the end of the day if you are good enough that someone will give you money to play for a team, you are probably better than a good majority of college kids.

I'm willing to bet that a league full of guys good enough to get someone to pay then money to play is better than a league full of soon to be account executives

[SWedd523]

Gabe Vincent and our very own Caleb Martin were both playing in the G-League not that long ago. Now they're starting on a team in the Finals. There is a ton of talent in the g-league, arguments to the contrary are not based on facts.

Paolo Banchero just averaged 20/7/4 against actual professionals after spending one year in college.

Which of the three would you rather have?

Paulo obviously, he was the number one pick for a reason.

I never said there isn't good competition in the SEC, ACC, etc. I just take issue with the false assertion that the G-League isn't filled with talented players because it undoubtedly is.

There are just as many, if not more, high end talents in the blue bloods of the college ranks as the G League.

Take out the relegated guys on NBA rosters and I'd honestly bet an NCAA all star team would be plenty competitive against the g league version in any given year

[JMAC3]

Michael Foster Jr at age 18 in Gleague averaged 15.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.3 assists, 1.9 blocks per game over 28 games. Dude is undrafted and not on an NBA roster.

College teams sure better count themselves lucky. He probably would have been 28 ppg and 15 boards along with 4 blocks if he was playing those softys instead of the elite talent in the Gleague.

[KingCat]

You know it is bad when bro had to use the webster dictionary.

To prove that G League is a professional league by definition? Care to elaborate or do you just want witty points?

No just funny that you thought the conversation needed it... like Sweed was confused and didn't know that it was a professional league haha.

This board is severely overrating the talent and competitiveness of the Gleague.
It is better in some ways and worse in some ways than college.
I am not going to automatically boost a guys draft stock or knock it for playing in one over the other.

The actual sample of guys coming through the gleague so far isn't great though. Therefore I am going to value it roughly the same as college path.

Thats a fair arguement. At the end of the day, this Ignite thing is a new experiment and cannot be judged fully yet. I've liked what I've seen from Green and Kuminga so far and I think Scoot will be better than both by a decent gap which is why i have a good feeling about him.

I predict Ignite will eventually prove to be a strong path to NBA success as I believe G league experience will better prep youngster for the NBA level up. If folks still feel strongly and more secure about the traditional college route then I can't knock them for it.

[DSM346]

"Miller's camp says it is hoping he can do enough on his June 10 visit in Charlotte to convince the Hornets to give him assurances they'll pick him at this spot, something that might hinge more on how he performs in his interview than his workout. He sat down with 12 teams at the draft combine in Chicago, but arrived holding a legal brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he would not be able to comment on specific details regarding his involvement in the lead-up to the fatal shooting of Jamea Jonae Harris. It's the biggest factor holding him back from being the easy choice at No. 2, as many expect to be the case in Charlotte. Miller's fit with Charlotte's roster looks ideal, and he is considered the front-runner here if he can do enough to alleviate off-court concerns. -- Givony"

ESPN still rolling with the rumors that Miller is Charlotte's guy. "Easy choice at #2" if not for legal issues.

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Givony's statement that Brandon Miller is the easy choice with the second pick doesn't align with the fact that he mentions Miller met with 12 teams at the combine. Why would a player who is locked into the top 3 or, at worst, the top 5 be interviewing with teams significantly outside of that range? The situation with Miller is unique, and that surely plays a role. However, this contradicts what top picks traditionally choose to do.

[SWedd523]

Nobody is knocking them for preferring to get paid some and going G League instead of college. Good for them. I wonder how NIL is going to affect things now though.

All I'm saying is I'm not going to give a G League dude extra credit for putting up 15/5/5 against guys who went undrafted vs a dude averaging 15/5/5 in a major conference (or vice versa fwiw).

[JMAC3]

I assume part of it is he doesn't want to seem like he is hiding from the process. The other part is that Portland has a high likelihood of trading the pick so maybe he thought he would rather be aggressive in meeting with teams he prefers vs just letting the team blindly take him.

Multiple multiple multiple reports of him being the favorite for the #2 pick. Both prior to draft lottery and after, a lot of reports that teams moved Miller past Scoot after Scoot didn't play as well as expected this year, while Miller went from #9 in his class to potentially #2 pick.

[SWedd523]

"Miller's camp says it is hoping he can do enough on his June 10 visit in Charlotte to convince the Hornets to give him assurances they'll pick him at this spot, something that might hinge more on how he performs in his interview than his workout. He sat down with 12 teams at the draft combine in Chicago, but arrived holding a legal brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he would not be able to comment on specific details regarding his involvement in the lead-up to the fatal shooting of Jamea Jonae Harris. It's the biggest factor holding him back from being the easy choice at No. 2, as many expect to be the case in Charlotte. Miller's fit with Charlotte's roster looks ideal, and he is considered the front-runner here if he can do enough to alleviate off-court concerns. -- Givony"

ESPN still rolling with the rumors that Miller is Charlotte's guy. "Easy choice at #2" if not for legal issues.

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Givony's statement that Brandon Miller is the easy choice with the second pick doesn't align with the fact that he mentions Miller met with 12 teams at the combine. Why would a player who is locked into the top 3 or, at worst, the top 5 be interviewing with teams significantly outside of that range? The situation with Miller is unique, and that surely plays a role. However, this contradicts what top picks traditionally choose to do.

Could be he's trying to establish himself personally with teams to dissuade them in the event other pass on him for the legal concerns.

Hopefully both him and Scoot work out for a bunch of teams and do a bunch of interviews. Just free data for Mitch to sift through

[KingCat]

"Miller's camp says it is hoping he can do enough on his June 10 visit in Charlotte to convince the Hornets to give him assurances they'll pick him at this spot, something that might hinge more on how he performs in his interview than his workout. He sat down with 12 teams at the draft combine in Chicago, but arrived holding a legal brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he would not be able to comment on specific details regarding his involvement in the lead-up to the fatal shooting of Jamea Jonae Harris. It's the biggest factor holding him back from being the easy choice at No. 2, as many expect to be the case in Charlotte. Miller's fit with Charlotte's roster looks ideal, and he is considered the front-runner here if he can do enough to alleviate off-court concerns. -- Givony"

ESPN still rolling with the rumors that Miller is Charlotte's guy. "Easy choice at #2" if not for legal issues.

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Givony's statement that Brandon Miller is the easy choice with the second pick doesn't align with the fact that he mentions Miller met with 12 teams at the combine. Why would a player who is locked into the top 3 or, at worst, the top 5 be interviewing with teams significantly outside of that range? The situation with Miller is unique, and that surely plays a role. However, this contradicts what top picks traditionally choose to do.

Wouldn't be surpised if they are visiting other teams as a safety net due to him being a potential draft day plummet.

He could flunk workouts due to being out of shape cause apparently he was pretty sick recently. Also his camp is likely keeping in mind that teams may dislike his response to the legal issues.

I doubt it happens cause there is like a 90% chance Portland or us take him, unless there is some background stuff the public is not yet aware of.

[JMAC3]

Nobody is knocking them for preferring to get paid some and going G League instead of college. Good for them. I wonder how NIL is going to affect things now though.

All I'm saying is I'm not going to give a G League dude extra credit for putting up 15/5/5 against guys who went undrafted vs a dude averaging 15/5/5 in a major conference (or vice versa fwiw).

This is what drafts have already told us too. Kuminga went 7th after putting up 16/7/2 in the gleague. If teams/scouts were heavily factoring that production more than vs college he probably would of went ahead of Barnes who averaged 10/4/4.

Kuminga also was very very raw and put up those numbers.
Foster put up giant numbers in gleague too and NBA teams didn't care at all. Hence him being undrafted.

Honestly the NBA needs a massive win for the Gleague, been a rough go so far for every guy except Green.

[KingCat]

And my (hopefully) one last piece on the G League vs College debate.

There is a noticeable physical difference between playing v. 18-22 years old vs playing aganist grown men in their primes.

[JMAC3]

And my (hopefully) one last piece on the G League vs College debate.

There is a noticeable physical difference between playing v. 18-22 years old vs playing aganist grown men in their primes.

I mean just look at two rookies this year, neither seemed to struggle vs this grown man strength.

Bryce averaged 22 ppg in swarm... college avg 16.8 ppg
Mark averaged 22 ppg in swarm... college avg 11.2 ppg
Thor averaged 19 ppg in swarm... college avg 9.4 ppg
Kai averaged 15.5 ppg in swarm... college avg 8.8 ppg

3/4 doubled scoring avg.