Fake Trade Thread III

Post #281 » by **JDR720** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:18 pm

I wouldn't trade MKG for Lamb, MKG is a do it all lock down defender and great rebounder, Lamb is just a shooter, im thinking he is another Arron Afflalo who is a solid SG but nothing special

Elden Payton · Post #282 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:50 pm

Lamb would have to improve his defense exponentially to be an Afflalo level type.

StitchJones · Post #283 » by **StitchJones** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:43 am

We are kind of stuck with MKG and hoping he develops. I personally doubt it. His lack of shooting is so glaring that I just don't see him becoming anything more than a marginal starter ala Corey Brewer... Drummond or Barnes would look really good on this team right now.

Motor is overrated when you don't have skill.

Red Larrivee · Post #284 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:41 pm

The Bobcats are miserable offensively. There isn't a premier offensive player outside of the recently added Al Jefferson. Kemba could get there, but he's too hot and cold.

MKG's offensive woes are more transparent because he's a Bobcat. If you put him on OKC or Miami, he would be an awesome commodity. There would be no pressure to score and he could focus more on doing things that don't show up in a stat sheet. People forget MKG was an opportunistic scorer in college; it's what he's best suited for.

Is MKG going to be a good fit long-term? It's too early to say, particularly with all these draft picks on the horizon. I wouldn't give up on him just yet, but hopefully he doesn't end up like Evan Turner, a similar #2 pick.

Post #285 » by **JDR720** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:47 pm

He has still, just because he cant score doesn't mean he doesn't have skill.

Post #286 » by **JDR720** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:03 am

Considering how bad that draft was it would be ok with me if MKG is just a decent starter, remember these guys

#5 Thomas Robinson
#8 Terrance Ross
#10 Austin Rivers
#11 Myers Leonard
#13 Kendall Marshall
#16 Royce White
#18 Terrence Jones
#22 Fab Melo
#24 Jarred Cunningham
#25 Tony Wroten
#26 Miles Plumlee

All these guys suck, White is gone,Plumlee shouldn't have been drafted,both Terrences suck,Melo dont know where he is, Robinson traded twice,Marshall traded and cut,Cunningham cut,Myers is behind Joel Freeland on Portlands depth chart,Rivers played horrible and Wroten is now playing for the 76ers i think

a third of the 1st round picks could be considered busts right now, at least MKG tries to get better and his only flaw is his shot which

and im still gonna say he has at least the 3rd best potential of the 2012 draft class behind Anthony Davis and Lillard

StitchJones · Post #287 » by **StitchJones** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:20 pm

It was not a good draft but we passed on two guys in Barnes and Drummond that would have been great for this franchise...

Liver_Pooty · Post #288 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:21 pm

StitchJones wrote:It was not a good draft but we passed on two guys in Barnes and Drummond that would have been great for this franchise...

Ill take MKG over Barnes any day.

Man Strength · Post #289 » by **Man Strength** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:39 pm

in a re-draft, the order of my interest would be:

Tier 1
1- davis
2- drummond
3- beal

large gap

tier 2
4- lillard (not sure he is better than kemba, but a nice piece)
5- barnes

tier 3
6- MKG
7- Henson

tier 4
8- Nicholson

tier 5
9- waiters
10- taylor
11- lamb
12- harkless
13- zeller

tier 6
14- robinson
15- fournier
16- terrence ross
17- crowder
18 - green

you can keep the rest

StitchJones · Post #290 » by **StitchJones** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:27 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
StitchJones wrote:It was not a good draft but we passed on two guys in Barnes and Drummond that would have been great for this franchise...

Ill take MKG over Barnes any day.

Then you are misguided because MKG is flawed. That jumper will never be decent. Barnes would provide good defense, a good jumpshot for spacing and the ability to finish and create for himself in the halfcourt. There is a reason Cho tried to trade MKG for Barnes this offseason, though he later denied it.

StitchJones · Post #291 » by **StitchJones** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:31 am

Man Strength wrote:in a re-draft, the order of my interest would be:

Tier 1
1- davis
2- drummond
3- beal

large gap

tier 2
4- lillard (not sure he is better than kemba, but a nice piece)
5- barnes

tier 3
6- MKG
7- Henson

tier 4
8- Nicholson

tier 5
9- waiters
10- taylor
11- lamb
12- harkless
13- zeller

tier 6
14- robinson
15- fournier
16- terrence ross
17- crowder
18 - green

you can keep the rest

Lillard is Tier 1 and he is better than Kemba because he can finish better at the rim and is a MUCH better shooter. Not saying i don't like Kemba, he is a decent point guard and one of the few players on this team other organizations might covet.

Man Strength · Post #292 » by **Man Strength** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:03 pm

StitchJones wrote:
Man Strength wrote:in a re-draft, the order of my interest would be:

Tier 1
1- davis
2- drummond
3- beal

large gap

tier 2
4- lillard (not sure he is better than kemba, but a nice piece)
5- barnes

tier 3
6- MKG
7- Henson

tier 4
8- Nicholson

tier 5
9- waiters
10- taylor
11- lamb
12- harkless
13- zeller

tier 6
14- robinson
15- fournier
16- terrence ross
17- crowder
18 - green

you can keep the rest

Lillard is Tier 1 and he is better than Kemba because he can finish better at the rim and is a MUCH better shooter. Not saying i don't like Kemba, he is a decent point guard and one of the few players on this team other organizations might covet.

have you watched Lillard or looked at his advanced stats? his defense is atrocious. arguably worst in the league at his position. additionally lillard and walker are the exact same age. their stats last season were very very similar. added to that, we obviously already have kemba, so taking lillard over say beal or drummond makes no sense at all. over say MKG, sure, every day of the week.

mrknowitall215 · Post #293 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:54 pm

StitchJones wrote:Lillard is Tier 1 and he is better than Kemba because he can finish better at the rim and is a MUCH better shooter. Not saying i don't like Kemba, he is a decent point guard and one of the few players on this team other organizations might covet.

First of all, Lillard does not finish better at the rim than Kemba. Kemba made 55% of his shots at the rim last year while Lillard shot 53%. Also, Kemba was a more efficient overall player with a 18.8 PER versus Lillard's 16.4 PER last season. If anything, they may be on the same tier because it's arguable that Kemba is better as well as it's debatable that Lillard is better, but the numbers support Kemba

Liver_Pooty · Post #294 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:57 pm

Im not going to say that Lillard is better than Kemba, but I believe he would fit the current roster we have a lot better.

Man Strength · Post #295 » by **Man Strength** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:03 pm

im not saying that i prefer kemba or lillard, but that they are very similar players. my tiers were based on a redraft scenario, in which we already had kemba on the roster. rating those players vs players already on the roster or in the league is a separate excercize. as much of a good idea it is to go "best talent available" in a draft, some measure has to be taken to attempt to mold an actual nba starting lineup and roster.

LamarMatic7 · Post #296 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:47 pm

Man Strength wrote:have you watched Lillard or looked at his advanced stats? his defense is atrocious. arguably worst in the league at his position. additionally lillard and walker are the exact same age. their stats last season were very very similar. added to that, we obviously already have kemba, so taking lillard over say beal or drummond makes no sense at all. over say MKG, sure, every day of the week.

in Lillard's defense, he played for an atrocious team on defense in Portland. they should be better as a team this year and then Lillard himself won't look that bad.

LamarMatic7 · Post #297 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:52 pm

JDR720 wrote:Considering how bad that draft was it would be ok with me if MKG is just a decent starter, remember these guys

#5 Thomas Robinson

don't count out Robinson. that dude can rebound and will have a few good seasons by crashing the boards.

mrknowitall215 · Post #298 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:29 pm

Derrick Williams received a DNP-CD in the season opener just a week after Minnesota exercised the fourth-year option on Derrick Williams, guaranteeing the former No. 2 overall pick $6.3 million in 2014-15.

Williams shed 20 pounds during the offseason hoping to get some valuable minutes at SF with Kevin Love back.

After Wednesday's game, Wolves coach Rick Adelman attributed Williams not getting in the game to matchups, saying that he went to three guards since that's what Orlando was using.

But that may not be enough of an explanation to keep Williams happy as he heads into such an important season. If Williams' role continues to be limited and tensions grow between he and the team, don't be surprised if he again finds himself as the center of trade rumors this season.

While it's doubtful that a contender would trade for him given the financial ramifications, it's possible that a rebuilding team like Utah which severely lacks depth could go after him, banking on Williams blossoming over the next two seasons in a new environment. Charlotte is another team in need of further offensive help in the frontcourt, both at the 3 and 4, and could be a viable trade partner.

It looks like Derrick Williams is still a viable trade option if Charlotte is looking for offense. I think Williams in new scenery could have a breakthrough similar to what Tobias Harris had with Orlando after his departure from Milwaukee. I wonder which Bobcats player would Minnesota have the most interest in between Henderson or Sessions

Elden Payton · Post #299 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Nov 1, 2013 12:14 am

I've always liked Williams and this rumour has never gone away it seems.

At this point if Minnesota would take a Henderson straight swap I'd pull the trigger.

Williams is a much better fit for the subtle tank and has more value than Hendo imo despite the DNP.

Henderson would fit perfectly on Minny at their weakest position so they may do it being in win now mode.

Elden Payton · Post #300 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Nov 1, 2013 12:35 am

Just out of interest what are the chances that Rich Cho made the biggest free agency signing in Bobcats history to use him as trade bait at the deadline or in the offseason?

It would seem like a legitimate strategy and would probably be a good move imo.

I've asked this question before but I'll ask again about what people think Al Jefferson's value is?

Which teams would be interested?

In my opinion here are some-

Atlanta-To play Horford at the 4, Millsap involved in a deal?
Boston-Ainge will try to compete as quick as they can
Dallas-Cuban stuck out in FA only landing Monta, would love to have Al.
Denver-They're going to slide imo, their frontcourt is terrible offensively.
New Orleans-In win now mode, need a legitimate post option and C pairing with Davis.
Portland-Need to keep Aldridge happy and they still don't have a 5 to play with Aldridge.
Washington-In win now mode, just traded for Gortat and have Nene but still don't have a legit post option for Wall.

Which teams in your opinion would be interested in trading for Al Jefferson and what would be the pieces required?