Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

[Liver_Pooty]

Im gonna say 30mins

12ppg/7.5rpg/2ast 47% shooting 76%FT 1blk and 1stl

I was going to agree with everything but the FT %, but he shot 73% from the line last year.

I swear it seemed like he was in the low 60s. Seems as if he missed a ton.

[JDR720]

Im gonna say 30mins

12ppg/7.5rpg/2ast 47% shooting 76%FT 1blk and 1stl

I was going to agree with everything but the FT %, but he shot 73% from the line last year.

I swear it seemed like he was in the low 60s. Seems as if he missed a ton.

He was just under 76% both years at Indiana and he had a weird streak when he shot FT's like Biz for a couple weeks, before that he shot around 74-78%

[ARHornet]

I think he scores more like 8-10 rather than 12, but the rest looks about right.

Zeller can be a good role player for us. Honestly my biggest fear if he starts is lack of floor spacing in our starting lineup.

[BeesWax]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

Moderately improved from whatever they were when he started for McRoberts last season during that little stint.

Which wasn't bad at all.

Edit: He averaged a solid 10/8 during that stretch.

I think he puts up closer to 9 and 6 on good efficiency or 12 and 6 on poor efficiency. A big man who can't shoot or power people will get beat up as the season wears on. If he develops a shot during a game then this could change but that is a big if. We were told he would be able to shoot last year.

He can't get bounced off the floor 30 minutes a night 82 games a year. He will get exposed. He started only three games last season the followed it up with two terrible games off the bench.

[Eoghan]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

8 ppg, 6 rpg, 48% FG%, and 3 fbpg*


*floor bruises per game

[chabber]

What are Zellers stats if he starts and plays 30mpg

8 ppg, 6 rpg, 48% FG%, and 3 fbpg*


*floor bruises per game

This should be a real stat!

Of course, you'd need to break it down even more.

Hustle - HFBPG, Accidental - AFBPG, and Intentional - IFBPG.

Dwyane Wade

19ppg, 4.5 rbp, 57% FG%, 16 ifbpg, 0.4 hfbpg, 0.3 afbpg

[TheKingofSting2]

I won't be worried at all if he is our starter entering the season.

[Elden Payton]

It will be hard for him not to improve.

The added mass will help, he looks like he's gained 10 pounds.

I amire his work ethic and the reports of him basically living in the practice facility.

I hope we don't trade him but if the right deal came along, then I would do it.

[TheKingofSting2]

Lets see how Vonleh does before we trade him.

[Snidely FC]

Now that CHA picked a real stretch 4 (we hope) in Vonleh, it seems to be time to give up the Cody as a stretch 4 idea and move him to the 5. He's by far our tallest player, and his post moves are better than that foul line jumper. All he has to do is pack some muscle on. Worth a try.

[BeesWax]

Now that CHA picked a real stretch 4 (we hope) in Vonleh, it seems to be time to give up the Cody as a stretch 4 idea and move him to the 5. He's by far our tallest player, and his post moves are better than that foul line jumper. All he has to do is pack some muscle on. Worth a try.

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

[Snidely FC]

Now that CHA picked a real stretch 4 (we hope) in Vonleh, it seems to be time to give up the Cody as a stretch 4 idea and move him to the 5. He's by far our tallest player, and his post moves are better than that foul line jumper. All he has to do is pack some muscle on. Worth a try.

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

If you think Zeller can't play Center, then the Vonleh pick was really dumb. CHA could have taken a shooter at 9 and a backup PG at 24, thereby balancing the roster without having to lose McRoberts, bench or trade Zeller or Biz, or scrounge for backup PG from an aging pile of refuse. #frustratedfan

[InProblematique]

Now that CHA picked a real stretch 4 (we hope) in Vonleh, it seems to be time to give up the Cody as a stretch 4 idea and move him to the 5. He's by far our tallest player, and his post moves are better than that foul line jumper. All he has to do is pack some muscle on. Worth a try.

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

If you think Zeller can't play Center, then the Vonleh pick was really dumb. CHA could have taken a shooter at 9 and a backup PG at 24, thereby balancing the roster without having to lose McRoberts, bench or trade Zeller or Biz, or scrounge for backup PG from an aging pile of refuse. #frustratedfan

Vonleh was BPA by the time Boston picked. It would have been completely idiotic of Cho not to draft him just because we have Zeller there. I liked McDermott too, but I would have been furious if we picked him over Vonleh.

[BeesWax]

Now that CHA picked a real stretch 4 (we hope) in Vonleh, it seems to be time to give up the Cody as a stretch 4 idea and move him to the 5. He's by far our tallest player, and his post moves are better than that foul line jumper. All he has to do is pack some muscle on. Worth a try.

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

If you think Zeller can't play Center, then the Vonleh pick was really dumb. CHA could have taken a shooter at 9 and a backup PG at 24, thereby balancing the roster without having to lose McRoberts, bench or trade Zeller or Biz, or scrounge for backup PG from an aging pile of refuse. #frustratedfan

Vonleh was the best guy there and a top 5 talent. The dumb pick was drafting a guy to be a stretch 4 who never shot in games. Draft Vonleh was the right move and now we just have to hope Zeller pans out as a good backup hustle 4 or that someone values him enough that we can get a good player in return.

[InProblematique]

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

If you think Zeller can't play Center, then the Vonleh pick was really dumb. CHA could have taken a shooter at 9 and a backup PG at 24, thereby balancing the roster without having to lose McRoberts, bench or trade Zeller or Biz, or scrounge for backup PG from an aging pile of refuse. #frustratedfan

Vonleh was the best guy there and a top 5 talent. The dumb pick was drafting a guy to be a stretch 4 who never shot in games. Draft Vonleh was the right move and now we just have to hope Zeller pans out as a good backup hustle 4 or that someone values him enough that we can get a good player in return.

In Zeller's defense, Creen basically told Zeller not to shoot. He did the same thing with Vonleh, otherwise he would've taken a lot more threes. Creen likes his bigs to play inside, his guards to play from the perimeter. That's just how he coaches. Zeller can shoot. He has good mechanics and hits jumpers consistently in practices and stuff. He just spent two years of competitive basketball at IU where he basically wasn't allowed to shoot. Takes some time to get used to taking 20-footers again. I think that's part of the reason Zeller improved after the all-star break last year. He was shown in a video hitting like 8/10 corner threes he took during a practice in one of Charlotte's offseason videos this summer. I think he's going to end up being a solid stretch 4. Not as good as Vonleh, but good enough to definitely get good time at the 4.

I'd love to see how Zeller and Vonleh play together sometime this year. Maybe in a blowout, stick one of them at PF and one at C. Just see what they can do.

I think I have more faith in Zeller than most people. I'm giving him another year before I say he's destined to be a role player. Dude's a gym rat, and if he keeps repping his jumper and putting on muscle weight, he's going to be one of the more impressive second-season players, I think.

[yosemiteben]

I agree with being patient with Zeller and I'm optimistic about his potential. With that said, his shot chart from mid range last season was not pretty, and he saw an uptick in his productivity when he stopped shooting from there.

[Hornet Mania]

I like Zeller as a prospect, and was happy with his development as the season went on. He's not going to set the world on fire but neither is anyone else in that draft as far as I can tell.

I agree that his stretch 4 potential was highly exaggerated, or that's what the evidence thus far suggests. In the latter half of the season he attacked the rim, crashed the offensive boards and was much more physical. No coincidence that his overall production saw a nice uptick as he increased that sort of behavior. To me he looked like a high-end garbageman(not an insult, those guys are undervalued imo and can play an important role), not a poor-man's Lamarcus Aldridge.

It would be nice to see him as a legitimate threat from the elbow eventually, but I really hope the coaching staff doesn't force him into that role against all logic. Hope to see an improved jumper next year and that same willingness to crash the boards, bang around inside and hit the floor for loose balls. I firmly believe he can be a key contributor, just might not ever be top-15 at his position.

I also don't see the logic in moving Zeller just because we have Vonleh now. His value is pretty low around the league from what I can tell, although maybe front offices have a higher opinion of him than rival fans. I say Clifford should just do it the old-school way and let the young guys earn their spot, if they want minutes than produce. No silver spoons. I'm also skeptical Vonleh is ready for big minutes regardless. He's 19 and only played 29mpg at Indiana according to what I read leading up to the draft. Might not be the worst thing to bring him along slow.

[Man Strength]

Vonleh is bigger than Jefferson in terms of height, wingspan, standing reach, etc. If Jefferson is big enough to play center than so is Vonleh. Zeller and Vonleh can definitely play together at the 4/5 in what could be an awesome lineup of athletic bigs that can get up and down the floor and shoot from deep


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[Elden Payton]

Now that CHA picked a real stretch 4 (we hope) in Vonleh, it seems to be time to give up the Cody as a stretch 4 idea and move him to the 5. He's by far our tallest player, and his post moves are better than that foul line jumper. All he has to do is pack some muscle on. Worth a try.

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

If you think Zeller can't play Center, then the Vonleh pick was really dumb. CHA could have taken a shooter at 9 and a backup PG at 24, thereby balancing the roster without having to lose McRoberts, bench or trade Zeller or Biz, or scrounge for backup PG from an aging pile of refuse. #frustratedfan

Zeller will be fine against bench 5's imo.

What would have been dumb is drafting based on need, when it is clear who the best prospect available is on the board.

I don't think anyone would have had Vonleh fall past Boston or LA, Orlando taking Gordon really opened it up for someone to fall.

Sacramento passing on him is mind boggling, Vonleh would be the perfect foil for Cousins and guys like Landry and Thompson should never define who a team takes in the lotto.

[Liver_Pooty]

Won't work with his tiny arms. He just doesn't have the reach to get shots off regularly or defend post players. He would get eaten alive in the post by NBA length. He needs to stay at the 4. I think ideally if he doesn't get moved for Hayward you keep him here to be the hustle big behind Vonleh in the next few year. Have McRoberts back for two years and then hope Vonleh can take over and Zeller can provide the support you need.

If you think Zeller can't play Center, then the Vonleh pick was really dumb. CHA could have taken a shooter at 9 and a backup PG at 24, thereby balancing the roster without having to lose McRoberts, bench or trade Zeller or Biz, or scrounge for backup PG from an aging pile of refuse. #frustratedfan

Zeller will be fine against bench 5's imo.

What would have been dumb is drafting based on need, when it is clear who the best prospect available is on the board.

I don't think anyone would have had Vonleh fall past Boston or LA, Orlando taking Gordon really opened it up for someone to fall.

Sacramento passing on him is mind boggling, Vonleh would be the perfect foil for Cousins and guys like Landry and Thompson should never define who a team takes in the lotto.

Cho learned his lesson drafting for need over best possible talent not taking Drummond because Biyombo is here.