World Peace - The Tyler Hansbrough Thread

[euphorbus]

But without his rebounding and defensive skills, his energy and ability to make things happen on both ends of the court, I doubt the Hornets can make the playoffs. They might break .500, though.

So long as the coach keeps his leading rebounder on the bench (per 36 minutes, per RB%), while complaining about the lack of rebounding on the team, the Hornets will continue to underperform. The lack of respect shown by the coach is astounding.

Moreover, I was not prepared for the hostility shown toward Hansbrough on this forum, and also towards me, including obscenity. In my opinion, Hansbrough is the best available defender on this team, a glue guy who opens up players on the other end. Good luck trying to win with this guy nailed to the bench.

Hansbrough will remain a legend in North Carolina long after Steve Clifford is forgotten.

[JDR720]

they're aren't' minutes for tyler. he wont play over cody, frank or marvin. so that just leaves hawes, who im pretty sure just about everyone would be fine with tyler playing over.

[DY_nasty]

But without his rebounding and defensive skills, his energy and ability to make things happen on both ends of the court, I doubt the Hornets can make the playoffs. They might break .500, though.

So long as the coach keeps his leading rebounder on the bench (per 36 minutes, per RB%), while complaining about the lack of rebounding on the team, the Hornets will continue to underperform. The lack of respect shown by the coach is astounding.

Moreover, I was not prepared for the hostility shown toward Hansbrough on this forum, and also towards me, including obscenity. In my opinion, Hansbrough is the best available defender on this team, a glue guy who opens up players on the other end. Good luck trying to win with this guy nailed to the bench.

Hansbrough will remain a legend in North Carolina long after Steve Clifford is forgotten.

maybe if tyler wasn't being a goon in every game then he'd see more minutes

[euphorbus]

Maybe if Tyler wasn't being a goon in every game then he'd see more minutes.

Fair point. In pre-season and in November, Tyler for the most part played really well. The stats showed it. But it became obvious that the coach was not going to put him in for significant minutes unless he literally was the last big remaining. And that's what happened.

In December, my son said he was playing angry. Yes, and out of control. I watched him his entire career, and in the NBA, he would get tangled up with guys, usually trying to get and maintain position. In early December, he started playing like a caricature of himself, not the highly skilled player I admired. I did not like what I saw against Marc Gasol and Bismack Biyombo. Nevertheless, I doubt it would have made any difference if he played well. He still is not going to see the court until Coach Clifford gets desperate again.

Maybe the next time, he will play in control, as he did so beautifully last season. Meanwhile, the Hornets are on course to lose again. Milwaukee is shooting 56% and outrebounding the Hornets by ten. So it goes.

[HornetJail]

they're aren't' minutes for tyler. he wont play over cody, frank or marvin. so that just leaves hawes, who im pretty sure just about everyone would be fine with tyler playing over.

Hawes played 21 minutes. I don't even think I'd be okay with Tyler playing that much. He's great for 2-3 minutes of balls out madman hustle per quarter. Most games those 2-3 minutes would be more impactful than the 20 minutes Hawes gets

[bigbob]

Maybe if Tyler wasn't being a goon in every game then he'd see more minutes.

Fair point. In pre-season and in November, Tyler for the most part played really well. The stats showed it. But it became obvious that the coach was not going to put him in for significant minutes unless he literally was the last big remaining. And that's what happened.

In December, my son said he was playing angry. Yes, and out of control. I watched him his entire career, and in the NBA, he would get tangled up with guys, usually trying to get and maintain position. In early December, he started playing like a caricature of himself, not the highly skilled player I admired. I did not like what I saw against Marc Gasol and Bismack Biyombo. Nevertheless, I doubt it would have made any difference if he played well. He still is not going to see the court until Coach Clifford gets desperate again.

Maybe the next time, he will play in control, as he did so beautifully last season. Meanwhile, the Hornets are on course to lose again. Milwaukee is shooting 56% and outrebounding the Hornets by ten. So it goes.

I agree with you...cliff is a complete idiot. The raptors who made playoffs last year AND the year before, 2 years in a row, respected Tyler Hansborough enough to give him some decent minutes. He wasn't getting 20 mins a game obviously, but on average 15 mins was reasonable for him. Tyler hansborough was getting minutes on an ELITE team like the raptors, but hes treated like a scrub by a scrub team like the hornets lol. A complete joke in my opinion.

This season, cliff has been giving minutes to the soft centers on this team, players like the rookie frank kaminsky and fatso spencer hawes. Give hansborough some minutes and he will play his game and help out the team! This team needs hansboroughs skill set desperately from what I can tell, he is a post player, something the hornets need with big Al being injured. Unfortunately this coach is a 2nd rate coach who micheal jordan got for cheap, dude thinks 7footers should be soft/weak and be able to shoot 3's. PsychoT was built on a completely different philosphy, his body has been developed to take and absorb hits under the rim. This is something he is NOT afraid of doing. Thats were he thrives and where he can make a difference.

[DY_nasty]

man when you're this focused on tyler hansborough you need to take a break lol

like he's ever been important to any team in the nba

"psycho t was built on a completely different philosphy, his body has been developed to take and absorb hits under the rim" i can't even laugh hard enough at this to do it justice

[bigbob]

man when you're this focused on tyler hansborough you need to take a break lol

like he's ever been important to any team in the nba

"psycho t was built on a completely different philosphy, his body has been developed to take and absorb hits under the rim" i can't even laugh hard enough at this to do it justice

lol, your hatred for tyler hansborough is blinding you. Hes never been important to any team?? Alot of teams hes been on, his skillset was redundant. On the hornets, where all the centers are charmin soft and none of them know how to play in the post, or how to make a layup, can't absorb physical contact, or some type of this combination, tyler hansborough is like the messiah.

[DY_nasty]

i don't even hate the guy. i think he's not even the player that jeff adrien was

what kills me is how people are trying to say that he's the reason we do/don't win games when there are all sorts of things on the court that could tell you why. like... people could possibly learn some more from basketball, the ins and outs, xs and os instead of stanning for guys but screw that lol

we should fire cliff for tyler hansborough's treatment

not because he can't modify his defense throughout a game without MKG
not because he keeps clearing out for hawes, but never cody or frank
not because he keeps starting marvin
not because he REFUSES to acknowledge corner 3s on offense or defense
not because he removed lin's ability to be a pg
not because he allows kemba to waltz around being a real pg
not because he runs 4 out, then wonders why we can't rebound
not because he still can't draw up an inbound play
not because he runs high post stuff for everyone BUT the guy drafted to exactly that

you get the point

we talking about tyler hansborough
that's like blaming the 7 win season stuff on dj white

tyler hansborough has never been that important in his nba career. i'm not about to pretend he is now just because i need something to blame. there's plenty of other things for that

[bigbob]

i don't even hate the guy. i think he's not even the player that jeff adrien was

what kills me is how people are trying to say that he's the reason we do/don't win games when there are all sorts of things on the court that could tell you why. like... people could possibly learn some more from basketball, the ins and outs, xs and os instead of stanning for guys but screw that lol

we should fire cliff for tyler hansborough's treatment

not because he can't modify his defense throughout a game without MKG
not because he keeps clearing out for hawes, but never cody or frank
not because he keeps starting marvin
not because he REFUSES to acknowledge corner 3s on offense or defense
not because he removed lin's ability to be a pg
not because he allows kemba to waltz around being a real pg
not because he runs 4 out, then wonders why we can't rebound
not because he still can't draw up an inbound play
not because he runs high post stuff for everyone BUT the guy drafted to exactly that

you get the point

we talking about tyler hansborough
that's like blaming the 7 win season stuff on dj white

tyler hansborough has never been that important in his nba career. i'm not about to pretend he is now just because i need something to blame. there's plenty of other things for that

lol?? Which person here said hes the reason we do or don't win games?? That is a ridiculous statement. Maybe some people here think psycho T is as good as deandre jordan, but im not that crazy. Im only saying that psycho T has some assets that could be useful for the hornets. Especially his interior D, his rebounding and his brute strength (compared to the other bigs on this team). Yes hes an idiot, most of us acknowledge that. He shoots 3 pointers b/c he wants to be steph curry lol. But the fact is, psycho T should be playing WAY more than 3 minutes a game. He in my opinion should get more minutes than Frank Kaminsky, the 1st year rook, and definitely more than spencer hawes. If nothing else, having psycho T taking minutes away from other centers, sends a message...that playing soft will get you on the bench.

And YES, cliff should get judged for wasting tylers talent, and not utilizing him when needed. Add it to the list.

[DY_nasty]

i don't even hate the guy. i think he's not even the player that jeff adrien was

what kills me is how people are trying to say that he's the reason we do/don't win games when there are all sorts of things on the court that could tell you why. like... people could possibly learn some more from basketball, the ins and outs, xs and os instead of stanning for guys but screw that lol

we should fire cliff for tyler hansborough's treatment

not because he can't modify his defense throughout a game without MKG
not because he keeps clearing out for hawes, but never cody or frank
not because he keeps starting marvin
not because he REFUSES to acknowledge corner 3s on offense or defense
not because he removed lin's ability to be a pg
not because he allows kemba to waltz around being a real pg
not because he runs 4 out, then wonders why we can't rebound
not because he still can't draw up an inbound play
not because he runs high post stuff for everyone BUT the guy drafted to exactly that

you get the point

we talking about tyler hansborough
that's like blaming the 7 win season stuff on dj white

tyler hansborough has never been that important in his nba career. i'm not about to pretend he is now just because i need something to blame. there's plenty of other things for that

lol?? Which person here said hes the reason we do or don't win games?? That is a ridiculous statement. Maybe some people here think psycho T is as good as deandre jordan, but im not that crazy. Im only saying that psycho T has some assets that could be useful for the hornets. Especially his interior D, his rebounding and his brute strength (compared to the other bigs on this team). Yes hes an idiot, most of us acknowledge that. He shoots 3 pointers b/c he wants to be steph curry lol. But the fact is, psycho T should be playing WAY more than 3 minutes a game. He in my opinion should get more minutes than Frank Kaminsky, the 1st year rook, and definitely more than spencer hawes. If nothing else, having psycho T taking minutes away from other centers, sends a message...that playing soft will get you on the bench.

And YES, cliff should get judged for wasting tylers talent, and not utilizing him when needed. Add it to the list.

yeah lol no

[euphorbus]

I agree with you...Cliff is a complete idiot. The Raptors who made playoffs last year AND the year before, 2 years in a row, respected Tyler Hansbrough enough to give him some decent minutes. He wasn't getting 20 mins a game obviously, but on average 15 mins was reasonable for him. Tyler Hansbrough was getting minutes on an ELITE team like the Raptors, but he's treated like a scrub by a scrub team like the Hornets lol. A complete joke in my opinion.

This season, Cliff has been giving minutes to the soft centers on this team, players like the rookie Frank Kaminsky and fatso Spencer Hawes. Give Hansbrough some minutes and he will play his game and help out the team! This team needs Hansbrough's skill set desperately from what I can tell, he is a post player, something the hornets need with big Al being injured. Unfortunately this coach is a 2nd rate coach who Michael Jordan got for cheap, dude thinks 7-footers should be soft/weak and be able to shoot 3's. PsychoT was built on a completely different philosphy, his body has been developed to take and absorb hits under the rim. This is something he is NOT afraid of doing. Thats were he thrives and where he can make a difference.

Finally, someone who gets it. Just watch the poor rotations, the gentle screens, the inconsistent boxing out in any Hornets game, and you will see why these inexperienced and weak guys are just not good enough yet. Or as the coach admitted two nights ago, watch the "blown coverage." As for whether Hansbrough has ever been a significant player on any team, by several measures he was the best player on the Raptors last year:

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612761/onoffcourt/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per48&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

[bigbob]

I agree with you...Cliff is a complete idiot. The Raptors who made playoffs last year AND the year before, 2 years in a row, respected Tyler Hansbrough enough to give him some decent minutes. He wasn't getting 20 mins a game obviously, but on average 15 mins was reasonable for him. Tyler Hansbrough was getting minutes on an ELITE team like the Raptors, but he's treated like a scrub by a scrub team like the Hornets lol. A complete joke in my opinion.

This season, Cliff has been giving minutes to the soft centers on this team, players like the rookie Frank Kaminsky and fatso Spencer Hawes. Give Hansbrough some minutes and he will play his game and help out the team! This team needs Hansbrough's skill set desperately from what I can tell, he is a post player, something the hornets need with big Al being injured. Unfortunately this coach is a 2nd rate coach who Michael Jordan got for cheap, dude thinks 7-footers should be soft/weak and be able to shoot 3's. PsychoT was built on a completely different philosphy, his body has been developed to take and absorb hits under the rim. This is something he is NOT afraid of doing. Thats were he thrives and where he can make a difference.

Finally, someone who gets it. Just watch the poor rotations, the gentle screens, the inconsistent boxing out in any Hornets game, and you will see why these inexperienced and weak guys are just not good enough yet. Or as the coach admitted two nights ago, watch the "blown coverage." As for whether Hansbrough has ever been a significant player on any team, by several measures he was the best player on the Raptors last year:

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612761/onoffcourt/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per48&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

I wouldn't say t hansborough was the best player on the raptors, that is a stretch even for me lol. Not going to say his defense is perfect or even smart like lins is. However, his defense is rough and physical and good fit on a team that sorely needs some good defense right now. Lets face it, the best defendors on our team are lin, pj hairston and marvin williams. I like cody zeller and the direction hes headed in, but right now hes weak for a center, he always gets backed down in the post. In an year or two when he builds a bigger stronger body, I will change my opinion on him. Spencer hawes is just a joke, frank kaminsky puts effort but hes still a rookie and nowhere near strong enough. Kemba? getting shot over 24/7. Batum? He plays D like hes fragile and made of glass. On this kind of team, you need a rough physical player and someone like tyler hansborough fits the bill. He might not be effective in scoring, but his D in the paint more than makes up for it.

I like psycho T, hes one of the more interesting players in the league. His style of play reminds me of the 90's when players actually fought hard on ever rebound and possession. That raptors game a few weeks ago that we lost, was one of the most entertaining games ive seen this year. The battle between psychoT and bismack was awesome, even IF it shifted momentum towards the other team lol. Im a big fan of guys who give effort and hustle on every play, guys like matthew dellavedova, psychoT, bismack biyombo jeremy lin, tim duncan, kwahi leonard, the younger version of lebron james, cody zeller, patrick beverley, etc etc. I can't hate on any of these guys, they give max effort every time they're on the floor, compared to other prima donnas in the league. These guys put their bodies on the line without any second thoughts, and honestly I really respect that.

[Braggins]

Lmao... Im speechless.

[HornetJail]

Suddenly the Jeremy Lin stans don't seem that crazy after all

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol the hell.

[Eoghan]

These guys are right. Tyler has a lot to offer the team. Like 6 fouls, mouth breathing and the ability to be awkward yet, unlike Zeller, remain upright.

[euphorbus]

Let me rephrase that: Tyler led the Raptors or was second in several all-around statistics last season. Clearly, the best player was Kyle Lowry, but he broke down towards the end of the season. Second was Lou Williams. DeMar DeRozan had a good season, too. Hansbrough was Sweet Lou's partner in crime, and Williams won Sixth Man of the Year. Hansbrough was top ten in NetRtg in the NBA from November through March, and finished 15th (minimum forty games).

It was fun watching Tyler stop the other team two or three times on the same play the last two seasons. It happened a lot in Toronto's switching defense. He also directs traffic on defense, much like Marvin Williams.

[DY_nasty]

Let me rephrase that: Tyler led the Raptors or was second in several all-around statistics last season. Clearly, the best player was Kyle Lowry, but he broke down towards the end of the season. Second was Lou Williams. DeMar DeRozan had a good season, too. Hansbrough was Sweet Lou's partner in crime, and Williams won Sixth Man of the Year. Hansbrough was top ten in NetRtg in the NBA from November through March, and finished 15th (minimum forty games).

It was fun watching Tyler stop the other team two or three times on the same play the last two seasons. It happened a lot in Toronto's switching defense. He also directs traffic on defense, much like Marvin Williams.

Go post that on the raptors boards. I just want the laughs

[Eoghan]

To be fair, Clifford probably does hate Hansbrough. He's the only one on the team that sets hard screens and once you get called for an offensive foul by setting a screen you end up decidedly on Clifford's poop list. Hansbrough can't play without fouling somebody and Clifford hates fouling. Hansbrough's acquisition was the most head scratching move since Cory Higgins.