Secret Sauce: The Terry Rozier Thread

[JMAC3]

I think he's Reggie Jackson but I hope you're right.

He's neither. He's in between.

A Celtics fan I liked Rozier. He is an interesting player for CHA.

The good is that he is one of the best rebounding guards in the league and he doesn't turn the ball over. He is fearless and is willing able to take the big shot. Capable of good to great defense and capable of driving you crazy because he blows and assignment. He is not a playmaker for his teammates but this has improved over time. Great in transition, good from 3 but doesn't have an mid range game and doesn't get to the line a ton.

I wouldn't worry about the money that much he will walk on the floor and give 16/5/5 and make enough 3's that you are good with him firing away. When you factor in the role Kemba had in your offense he could score 20 a game for you guys.

This is how I see him as well.


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[BigSlam]

I find it hilarious the hot take that now we signed rozier we aren’t trying to tank.

I'm not sure the FO would dial out a $19 million dollar a year contract for 3 years to a new starting PG if the intent is to not compete.

That's a pretty massive investment to make when there were considerably cheaper options they could have gone with..

[LofJ]

Rozier appears to be a good defender. He's a little short to pair with Monk but their skillsets are more complementary than I thought. I just wished that one of them was a better playmaker. Hopefully, we can find a way to up the value of both of them this season.

[fatlever]

best current hopeful comp = eric bledsoe?

Roddy Beaubois


Kidding aside, I'd say Dennis Schroder:
Same sort of body type.
Same sort of game.
Same sort of attitude (swag).
Same sort of (maybe unrealistically inflated) belief in their own ability.

1 big difference is FT rate. Rozier's FT rate is concerning.

[JDR720]

He can probably be Beverly with better offense, maybe. Assuming he is actually good on defense like i've saw people say.

[BigSlam]

best current hopeful comp = eric bledsoe?

Roddy Beaubois


Kidding aside, I'd say Dennis Schroder:
Same sort of body type.
Same sort of game.
Same sort of attitude (swag).
Same sort of (maybe unrealistically inflated) belief in their own ability.

1 big difference is FT rate. Rozier's FT rate is concerning.

I think that Schroder averages only 1 or 2 more FTA's than Rozier per 36.

That doesn't negate your concern for Roziers low FTA per game (a concern I share), but I don't think that's a differentiating factor between the two of them - in fact it's one of the things I think they have in common and lead me to the comparison.

[316Hornets]

The key to Rozier is he is a game manager. He controls the ball and does not turn it over. He isn't a slasher, he's the glue guy. Other guys should have more opportunity to make shots if they can get open.

[gundysmullet]

Thank god we dodged that bullet.

Sarcasm? He put up better #'s than Rozier across the board and cost more than 50% less.

Payton is a bum when given consistent minutes and a consistent role. Let's see what Rozier can do with the same instead of just posting histrionic fits.

Facts don’t care about your feelings. And the facts say otherwise. Look at his stats from last year. And look at Roziers.

[gundysmullet]

The key to Rozier is he is a game manager. He controls the ball and does not turn it over. He isn't a slasher, he's the glue guy. Other guys should have more opportunity to make shots if they can get open.

If by “control” you mean pounds it into the floor and then chucks it up, I guess you’re right.

[316Hornets]

The key to Rozier is he is a game manager. He controls the ball and does not turn it over. He isn't a slasher, he's the glue guy. Other guys should have more opportunity to make shots if they can get open.

If by “control” you mean pounds it into the floor and then chucks it up, I guess you’re right.

Rozier had the ball in his hands for avg. 4.22 seconds per touch compared to Kyrie 4.27 seconds per touch. Rozier's per/36 assist - turnover ratio was 4.6 to 1.4 compared to Kyrie 7.5 to 2.8.

Did Rozier shoot a poor percentage? Yes.
Did he have a good assist - turnover ratio? Yes

What does chucking have to do with his ability to be a floor general. Maybe he'll become a better shooter. That's what we're betting on, but if not, he will be a floor general who can help other guys around him develop.

[gundysmullet]

The key to Rozier is he is a game manager. He controls the ball and does not turn it over. He isn't a slasher, he's the glue guy. Other guys should have more opportunity to make shots if they can get open.

If by “control” you mean pounds it into the floor and then chucks it up, I guess you’re right.

Rozier had the ball in his hands for avg. 4.22 seconds per touch compared to Kyrie 4.27 seconds per touch. Rozier's per/36 assist - turnover ratio was 4.6 to 1.4 compared to Kyrie 7.5 to 2.8.

Did Rozier shoot a poor percentage? Yes.
Did he have a good assist - turnover ratio? Yes

What does chucking have to do with his ability to be a floor general. Maybe he'll become a better shooter. That's what we're betting on, but if not, he will be a floor general who can help other guys around him develop.

But how is he going to help the other guys “develop” when he’s so bad at dishing out assists?

[vexco]

Sarcasm? He put up better #'s than Rozier across the board and cost more than 50% less.

Payton is a bum when given consistent minutes and a consistent role. Let's see what Rozier can do with the same instead of just posting histrionic fits.

Facts don’t care about your feelings. And the facts say otherwise. Look at his stats from last year. And look at Roziers.

Will you stop repeating this nonsense? Your oversimplification of stats to fit your narrative is just annoying at this point. You're not Ben Shapiro.

Rozier played less minutes, is a better defender and will have a defined role, much like he did in the 2018 playoffs. Let's see what happens.

[gundysmullet]

Payton is a bum when given consistent minutes and a consistent role. Let's see what Rozier can do with the same instead of just posting histrionic fits.

Facts don’t care about your feelings. And the facts say otherwise. Look at his stats from last year. And look at Roziers.

Will you stop repeating this nonsense? Your oversimplification of stats to fit your narrative is just annoying at this point. You're not Ben Shapiro.

Rozier played less minutes, is a better defender and will have a defined role, much like he did in the 2018 playoffs. Let's see what happens.

All emotion and not an ounce of fact. Why did you not post Elfred Payton’s stats and Terry Rozier stats? You were advocating for one and not the other, and even went so far as to refer to one of them as a “bum” so post their stats.

[vexco]

Facts don’t care about your feelings. And the facts say otherwise. Look at his stats from last year. And look at Roziers.

Will you stop repeating this nonsense? Your oversimplification of stats to fit your narrative is just annoying at this point. You're not Ben Shapiro.

Rozier played less minutes, is a better defender and will have a defined role, much like he did in the 2018 playoffs. Let's see what happens.

All emotion and not an ounce of fact. Why did you not post Elfred Payton’s stats and Terry Rozier stats? You were advocating for one and not the other, and even went so far as to refer to one of them as a “bum” so post their stats.

You can't be this dense on accident so I assume it's all an act. You clearly are disregarding what I'm actually saying and shoehorning this into a stats argument.

[BigSlam]

Excerpts from a Boobnell piecel - FWIW:

ROZIER’S RESUME

(snip)...But there are flaws.

Shooting is the obvious one: He hasn’t shot 40 percent from the field in any of his prior for NBA seasons. You could say Walker shot similarly his first four NBA seasons. But Walker took apart his 3-pointer that next summer and his shooting skyrocketed. To expect so dramatic an improvement from Rozier seems pretty wishful.

I asked an executive from another NBA team to assess Rozier. He said he’d want Rozier on his team. Then I asked if he’d want Rozier as a starter, and would commit $19 million each of the next three seasons to acquiring him. That raised hesitancy.

This executive’s review of Rozier: A really good competitor. Most effective in transition. Despite 6-foot-1 height, applies himself well enough defensively that he can occasionally guard shooting guards.

Then, I asked about the downside. The executive said Rozier doesn’t make good decisions with the ball consistently on offense, which contributes to his poor shooting. That, the executive said, is why he’s better suited as a backup than a starter.

Hopefully, Rozier proves otherwise. But the key word is hopeful: That’s what has marked the Hornets’ player acquisitions, and often that trait has led to mistakes.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/charlotte-hornets/article232143612.html

[316Hornets]

If by “control” you mean pounds it into the floor and then chucks it up, I guess you’re right.

Rozier had the ball in his hands for avg. 4.22 seconds per touch compared to Kyrie 4.27 seconds per touch. Rozier's per/36 assist - turnover ratio was 4.6 to 1.4 compared to Kyrie 7.5 to 2.8.

Did Rozier shoot a poor percentage? Yes.
Did he have a good assist - turnover ratio? Yes

What does chucking have to do with his ability to be a floor general. Maybe he'll become a better shooter. That's what we're betting on, but if not, he will be a floor general who can help other guys around him develop.

But how is he going to help the other guys “develop” when he’s so bad at dishing out assists?

I don't know man. I'm not entirely sold on Rozier but it's not like there are other guys out there much better. Even if Rozier is awful, at worst, the Hornets will be picking high in the draft for the next 2-3 years. So, it's a win-win to me. I'd rather us lock all our money into a guy like Rozier than spread it out among a lot of little contracts.

[316Hornets]

Payton is a career 30% 3 point shooter that has been in the league for 5 season. He's had plenty of opportunity to showcase his talent, unlike Rozier. We aren't trying to compete, we are throwing darts trying to hit.

[LofJ]

If Rozier was signed for two years I'd have no problem with having him on the team. But the extra year shouldn't hurt us too much. He'll have one season to help the team be bad, but not look like a complete dumpster fire; and then another one to help mentor our likely lead guard of the future we draft next June. And maybe he'll have played well enough over those two seasons that we won't have to pay to move him should we need the cap space in the summer of 2021.

[316Hornets]

If Rozier was signed for two years I'd have no problem with having him on the team. But the extra year shouldn't hurt us too much. He'll have one season to help the team be bad, but not look like a complete dumpster fire; and then another one to help mentor our likely lead guard of the future we draft next June. And maybe he'll have played well enough over those two seasons that we won't have to pay to move him should we need the cap space in the summer of 2021.

I really think we need to tank in 2021 too. The 2022 draft is likely going to be the double draft with all the 18 year olds.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm not a team exec or coach ... but I'm willing to bet that they hope they will make the playoffs next year. Probably don't expect it, but that's a good stretch goal. The team isn't going to tank in the sense that they try to lose games and have the worst record in the league. They will try to win - but it remains to be seen if they actually will or not.

Signing Rozier is an indicator of all that. The could have let Graham start or have tried to sign someone worse & cheaper just to fill out the roster.