The Trade Thread

TheKingofSting · Post #301 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:34 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Watch the actual games sir.

I have seen every game this season but two.

JT2006 · Post #302 » by **JT2006** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:42 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:
JT2006 wrote:you have biz and mully backwards bro

Watch pregame lineups or look at ESPN box scores, Biz has been starting at PF.

I don't care what is said or written down, and you shouldn't either.

Bassman · Post #303 » by **Bassman** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:59 am

If Biz is our PF, you'd better get Mully trained to become our center, and play him high post, since Biz will NEVER have a reliable jump shot, and certainly no range relative to quality starters at the 4. That is why I make the observations that I do. The kid is a gamer and I like him, but I just don't think he will compete at his size at the 5.

You state his stats since starting, but look at the stats (and impact) of the opponent's front line in those contests. He is getting beat...yes he is improving, but it's not impacting the game and the results. I simply believe his future progress is nowhere near Howard levels.

Nor do I advocate "giving up" on him. If Biz were traded it would need to be for a good package. Still, I concur that he is not in enough demand around the league to drive a great deal. I prefer to trade Henderson as part of our offering, keep Biz and play him at the 5.

Kembastockton · Post #304 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:43 pm

Why can't we just draft, sign, or trade for another center, and play Mully off the Bench? Why does he has to be penciled in as a long term starter?

catch20two · Post #305 » by **catch20two** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:50 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:Why can't we just draft, sign, or trade for another center, and play Mully off the Bench? Why does he has to be penciled in as a long term starter?

Good question but the obvious answer will be to "tank and develop".

Fred Williamson · Post #306 » by **Fred Williamson** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:51 am

some of you are crazy

mlloyd10 · Post #307 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:53 am

Dont know if this has been mentioned in the past, but would you guys be interested in anything onthe Bucks roster not named Sanders, Luc, Henson or Harris?

Henderson would look good on the bucks roster, but don't know what you would want. I was thinking Udoh for Henderson, but salaries don't match up

Post #308 » by **Diop** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:14 pm

that doesn't leave much else for you guys to trade unless you are willing to give up picks.

They_Them_Hatin · Post #309 » by **They_Them_Hatin** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:20 pm

Henderson for lottery protected 1st + whoever bucks want to get rid of besides Gooden.

LamarMatic7 · Post #310 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:34 pm

I haven't seen most pages of this thread, so I have to ask - have you guys talked about Utah and the fact that they are very willing to trade either Millsap or Jefferson, so Kanter and Favors have more PT to develop? I'd love to see both of those guys on our team considering the post offense problems we have.

Couldn't we give them Sessions and Hendo for Millsap or am I underrating Gerald's importance to this team? I think Sessions is a guy we should definitely offer around. Kemba is our point guard of the future, Sessions is on an expiring deal and, moreover, his value is pretty high right now with him being a good scorer off the bench. Meanwhile, JT seems to be a keeper and Hendo hasn't improved as we thought he could. He is a decent shooting guard and that's it, I don't think that there have been many twos who have vastly improved after 25.

If we're talking about his old problem - the lack of a three pointer, we have to give him credit for being 10/18 in 11 games. However, I reckon that if he attempted around three or four of them per game, he still wouldn't hit more than one. He's at a point where he can make one, yet he isn't really a three point threat and defenders still sag off him. So hitting one each game doesn't really make a difference, those 3 points aren't as valuable as being able to have good spacing because your shooting guard is legitimately dangerous from downtown.

Kembastockton · Post #311 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:43 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:Dont know if this has been mentioned in the past, but would you guys be interested in anything onthe Bucks roster not named Sanders, Luc, Henson or Harris?

Henderson would look good on the bucks roster, but don't know what you would want. I was thinking Udoh for Henderson, but salaries don't match up

Hendo, Diop
for
Udoh, Udrih, lotto protected

Hendo for Udoh and a pick then we switch expirings.

Post #312 » by **fatlever** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:24 pm

time to crank up the annual - cousins is crazy, so lets go trade for him while his value is low - discussions.

Post #313 » by **fatlever** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:33 pm

salmons (3y/24)
cousins (2y/7)

for

henderson (1/3)
diop (1/7)
detroit 1st
portland 1st

why for kings: two 1st round picks and lots of salary relief, they get out of the last two years of salmons deal saving them 14 mil.

why for cats: we take a chance that MJ, dunlap, kemba and MKG can convince cousins that charlotte is the place where he can take it to the next level and they hope they can tame him, for the price of losing two first round picks.

SWedd523 · Post #314 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:39 pm

They could probably get a better offer from another team but I think that's fair value if they're dead set on moving him.

He's every bit of psycho, but he'd look fantastic next to Bismack for the next 10 years

ohara · Post #315 » by **ohara** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:13 pm

Cousins is now suspended indefinitely by the Kings. Cousins is a lunatic, but I would love him for Charlotte. That would give us 3 key positions filled at PG, SF and C. I'd gladly give up the Portland and Detroit future 1sts to get him here. We could add a SG or PF with our own pick in 2013 Draft and be ready to make some noise next season.

Post #316 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:20 pm

I think that Kemba and MKG would be good for Cousins.

Not sure that Dunlap, Hendo and Biz would be though?

Post #317 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:22 pm

fatlever wrote:salmons (3y/24)
cousins (2y/7)

for

henderson (1/3)
diop (1/7)
detroit 1st
portland 1st

I think that is too much for a big who is shooting 41% from the floor (43% career) and has character issues.

In saying that, I would love to have him on the roster.

thesneakysneak · Post #318 » by **thesneakysneak** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:23 pm

fatlever wrote:salmons (3y/24)
cousins (2y/7)

for

henderson (1/3)
diop (1/7)
detroit 1st
portland 1st

why for kings: two 1st round picks and lots of salary relief, they get out of the last two years of salmons deal saving them 14 mil.

why for cats: we take a chance that MJ, dunlap, kemba and MKG can convince cousins that charlotte is the place where he can take it to the next level and they hope they can tame him, for the price of losing two first round picks.

That sounds almost like it to much to give up for someone who has been suspended indefinitely. I'd still do it though.

LamarMatic7 wrote:I haven't seen most pages of this thread, so I have to ask - have you guys talked about Utah and the fact that they are very willing to trade either Millsap or Jefferson, so Kanter and Favors have more PT to develop? I'd love to see both of those guys on our team considering the post offense problems we have.

Couldn't we give them Sessions and Hendo for Millsap or am I underrating Gerald's importance to this team? I think Sessions is a guy we should definitely offer around. Kemba is our point guard of the future, Sessions is on an expiring deal and, moreover, his value is pretty high right now with him being a good scorer off the bench. Meanwhile, JT seems to be a keeper and Hendo hasn't improved as we thought he could. He is a decent shooting guard and that's it, I don't think that there have been many twos who have vastly improved after 25.

If we're talking about his old problem - the lack of a three pointer, we have to give him credit for being 10/18 in 11 games. However, I reckon that if he attempted around three or four of them per game, he still wouldn't hit more than one. He's at a point where he can make one, yet he isn't really a three point threat and defenders still sag off him. So hitting one each game doesn't really make a difference, those 3 points aren't as valuable as being able to have good spacing because your shooting guard is legitimately dangerous from downtown.

Is Jefferson on the last year of his contract?
I can see him being a target for us after the season depending on who we draft.
Can't wait to see how this roster looks to start next season.

SWedd523 · Post #319 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:44 pm

BigSlam wrote:I think that Kemba and MKG would be good for Cousins.

Not sure that Dunlap, Hendo and Biz would be though?

I think Bismack would be good for Cousins due to his work ethic and dedication. There's got to be a point where Cousins opens his eyes and realizes how stupid he's being right?

Seeing guys like Kemba, MKG, and Bismack in the gym late working their tails off has to be a good look. Having those guys barking at him, challenging him, and demanding the best from him has to work at some point.

ohara · Post #320 » by **ohara** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:06 pm

Trading the Portland and Detroit 1st along with Hendo to get Cousins, even absorbing the Salmons salary, would be the ultimate gamble by this franchise. But we know MJ and his history of gambling. I could see him pulling the trigger. And Cho having a change to put Kemba. MKG. Biyombo and Cousins as his core would have him agreeing to the gamble as well. If we landed Shabazz with our 2013 1st, then I would be thrilled beyong belief. That would indeed by a nasty young starting 5.

What is interesting is everyone here knows the talent of Cousins and what he can do for us. Everyone is saying, and rightly so, that is sounds like it MIGHT be too much to give up for a headcase like Cousins, but they would STILL do it. Talent is talent, and it is hard to come by in the NBA these days. Just the prospect of having him in Charlotte has me salivating.