Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

BeesWax · Post #301 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:13 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Team defense is more important than individual defense.

Look at the numbers. MKG meant a lot to our team defense last season because without him we were terrible.

ARHornet · Post #302 » by **ARHornet** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:19 am

It might be one thing if our lineup was full of other good defenders. That would make MKG expendable. But it's not. The only other above average defender in our starting lineup is Kemba, and he's never gonna be great because of his size. If we lose MKG then our defense falls apart unless we make big changes to the roster. Josh McRoberts is a really good team defender. But if you have 5 guys with his defensive skill in your lineup your defense will suck. You've got to have some very good individual defense guys.

Do I wish MKG could shoot? Of course. I just really get tired of hearing people say he's worthless because of his lack of shot and disregard his defensive skill.

Liver_Pooty · Post #303 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:22 am

MKG or Zeller doesn't need to go anywhere. Period. Develop them and be done with it. Same with Biyombo. Lets stop talking about trading our young talent for even younger talent. Its getting ridiculous.

catch20two · Post #304 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:28 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:MKG or Zeller doesn't need to go anywhere. Period. Develop them and be done with it. Same with Biyombo. Lets stop talking about trading our young talent for even younger talent. Its getting ridiculous.

At some point they are going to get traded or waived. There's no way we hang onto all 3 of them past 2016 max in my eyes with the new draft #9 pick coming into play. They making lottery money but playing like mid to late 1st rounders to be honest.

catch20two · Post #305 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:30 am

ARHornet wrote:It might be one thing if our lineup was full of other good defenders. That would make MKG expendable. But it's not. The only other above average defender in our starting lineup is Kemba, and he's never gonna be great because of his size. If we lose MKG then our defense falls apart unless we make big changes to the roster. Josh McRoberts is a really good team defender. But if you have 5 guys with his defensive skill in your lineup your defense will suck. You've got to have some very good individual defense guys.

Do I wish MKG could shoot? Of course. I just really get tired of hearing people say he's worthless because of his lack of shot and disregard his defensive skill.

Agreed and whether MKG has a shot or not our offense don't falter when he's in the game. That's just a myth. He's tremendous to us and one of the very few net positive players we have on the team.

Liver_Pooty · Post #306 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:34 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:MKG or Zeller doesn't need to go anywhere. Period. Develop them and be done with it. Same with Biyombo. Lets stop talking about trading our young talent for even younger talent. Its getting ridiculous.

At some point they are going to get traded or waived. There's no way we hang onto all 3 of them past 2016 max in my eyes with the new draft #9 pick coming into play. They making lottery money but playing like mid to late 1st rounders to be honest.

Biyombo barely got his team option picked up this season according to Bonnell. Which basically means the front office has full confidence in him. Zeller is only going into his second year, so his contract is fine. If he doesn't progress after year 3 get rid of him, or try to. I really don't want an Turner ordeal with MKG where he makes 8 million the last year of his rookie contract and not show any signs of progress.

Either way I think its a moot point. They will all three progress and be fine. If we can package one of them in a trade and improve our roster exponentially go for it. But lets not treat any of them as throw ins. Not yet anyway.

Eoghan · Post #307 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:09 am

Random trade to get thread back on the rails:

Minny out: Love, Rubio, Barea
Minny in: Rondo, Zeller, Olynyk, #17

Boston out: Rondo, Olynyk, #6, Wallace, #17
Boston in: Love, Rubio, Henderson

Charlotte out: Zeller, Henderson
Charlotte in: #6, Barea, Wallace

Liver_Pooty · Post #308 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:10 am

BrotherDave wrote:Random trade to get thread back on the rails:

Minny out: Love, Rubio, Barea
Minny in: Rondo, Zeller, Olynyk, #17

Boston out: Rondo, Olynyk, #6, Wallace, #17
Boston in: Love, Rubio, Henderson

Charlotte out: Zeller, Henderson
Charlotte in: #6, Barea, Wallace

Pass. Wallace has one of the worst contracts in the league.

ARHornet · Post #309 » by **ARHornet** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:15 am

BrotherDave wrote:Random trade to get thread back on the rails:

Minny out: Love, Rubio, Barea
Minny in: Rondo, Zeller, Olynyk, #17

Boston out: Rondo, Olynyk, #6, Wallace, #17
Boston in: Love, Rubio, Henderson

Charlotte out: Zeller, Henderson
Charlotte in: #6, Barea, Wallace

Probably wouldn't do that. Wallace is basically worth nothing at this point. Barea and #6 would be great though.

mrknowitall215 · Post #310 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:22 am

BrotherDave wrote:Random trade to get thread back on the rails:

Minny out: Love, Rubio, Barea
Minny in: Rondo, Zeller, Olynyk, #17

Boston out: Rondo, Olynyk, #6, Wallace, #17
Boston in: Love, Rubio, Henderson

Charlotte out: Zeller, Henderson
Charlotte in: #6, Barea, Wallace

I would strongly consider this offer. Charlotte has a lot of cap space, but there aren't really any free agents worth a 8-figure deal on the market this offseason

With that #6 pick they could draft the PF of their future in Noah Vonleh or Julius Randle, and follow that up by drafting their SG of the future in James Young, Zach LaVine, or Nik Stauskas without touching their core of Al Jefferson, Kemba Walker, and MKG

Also within trading away Gerald Henderson & Cody Zeller contracts the cap space remain open enough to pursue Lance Stephenson or Ed Davis via free agency

Eoghan · Post #311 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:25 am

All we really give up is Zeller though. Moving Hendo is addition by subtraction, so by absorbing Crash's awful contract (only reason we're in the deal) we get a crack at maybe an Exum or Randle (or Vonleh if you prefer).

Kemba, #24
Exum. Barea
MKG, Wallace
McRoberts, #9
Jefferson , Biz

looks pretty good to me, plus ought to have some FA money to throw around still.

TheKingofSting2 · Post #312 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:25 am

BrotherDave wrote:Random trade to get thread back on the rails:

Minny out: Love, Rubio, Barea
Minny in: Rondo, Zeller, Olynyk, #17

Boston out: Rondo, Olynyk, #6, Wallace, #17
Boston in: Love, Rubio, Henderson

Charlotte out: Zeller, Henderson
Charlotte in: #6, Barea, Wallace

I would sign up for that right now, the #6 is worth that to me anyway and we get Randle as a bonus!

Liver_Pooty · Post #313 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:30 am

BrotherDave wrote:All we really give up is Zeller though. Moving Hendo is addition by subtraction, so by absorbing Crash's awful contract (only reason we're in the deal) we get a crack at maybe an Exum or Randle (or Vonleh if you prefer).

Kemba, #24
Exum. Barea
MKG, Wallace
McRoberts, #9
Jefferson , Biz

looks pretty good to me, plus ought to have some FA money to throw around still.

We would be back in the lottery with that team. Exum is talented, perhaps the most talented player we have ever had, but he cannot shoot, at all, and needs the ball in his hands. He is a much more talented MCW in my opinion. We would be taking a step back.

Edit: Now sign a solid SG with that money and let Exum and Walker battle it out over the PG spot? Not were talking

HornetJail · Post #314 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:49 am

BrotherDave wrote:All we really give up is Zeller though. Moving Hendo is addition by subtraction, so by absorbing Crash's awful contract (only reason we're in the deal) we get a crack at maybe an Exum or Randle (or Vonleh if you prefer).

Kemba, #24
Exum. Barea
MKG, Wallace
McRoberts, #9
Jefferson , Biz

looks pretty good to me, plus ought to have some FA money to throw around still.

We would immediately turn around and flip #24, Barea for Afflalo?

Either way, that's a 100% pipe dream. No way Zeller is the main piece in a deal that lands us the 6th pick, absorbing contracts or not

ARHornet · Post #315 » by **ARHornet** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:49 am

Exum isn't making it past Orlando. But what if we got Randle or Vonleh at 6 and Stauskas at 9?

Kemba, Barea
Stauskas, CDR
MKG, Wallace, Taylor
McBob, Randle/Vonleh
Al, Biz

From my math, (and I may be way off) we'd still have about 12 million to work with before we re-sign McBob or CDR. So that leaves you a little bit of room, which could be used on a PG or a wing. Then you still have 24 and 45, both of which could be traded or stashed overseas. Or used for depth.

What if we could use 24 to get Afflalo? That would be a pretty good team.

MasterIchiro · Post #316 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:00 am

I don't think we can get 6 without giving up 9. I want to simplify the deal.

Charlotte out: Pick 9 + Gerald Henderson + Gary Neal
Charlotte in: Pick 6 + Gerald Wallace

Boston out: Pick 6 + Gerald Wallace
Boston in: Pick 9 + Gerald Henderson + Gary Neal

Vonleh goes to the Jazz imo

Pick 6 can be used to draft Randle
Cap space is preserved to sign Lance Stephenson

PG-Kemba Walker/FA or pick 24 (Ennis)
SG-Lance Stephenson/FA pick 24 (Hairston)
SF-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Gerald Wallace
PF-Julius Randle/Cody Zeller
C-Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo

ARHornet · Post #317 » by **ARHornet** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:06 am

I'm torn on that. I'd like to lose Hendo and Neal, but I don't want to take on Wallace's cap. I really think he's basically done as a player. And his lack of shooting won't help us any. To move up 3 spots I don't know that it's worth it.

MasterIchiro · Post #318 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:13 am

Well we would really be screwed if Lance Stephenson doesn't sign.

That's what worries me about it. And that team still lacks a perimeter threat.

Stauskas.

Bassman · Post #319 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:10 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Random trade to get thread back on the rails:

Minny out: Love, Rubio, Barea
Minny in: Rondo, Zeller, Olynyk, #17

Boston out: Rondo, Olynyk, #6, Wallace, #17
Boston in: Love, Rubio, Henderson

Charlotte out: Zeller, Henderson
Charlotte in: #6, Barea, Wallace

Yes I'd do that in a heartbeat. Celtics will not. They can get better offers. But it wouldn't hurt to try.

I was hopeful of trading up to the 5th pick, but (at least in the rumor mill) the Celtics are the highest pick team to be open to trading it. Top 4 are going nowhere, Utah maybe would trade back but they are in the prime seat to choose their favorite PF. If the Celtics are open to it I'd offer Zeller, Hendo or Neal & our 2nd rounder for #6 & Wallace. Or how about 9 & 24 for #6 & their 2nd round pick?

BeesWax · Post #320 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:21 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I don't think we can get 6 without giving up 9. I want to simplify the deal.

Charlotte out: Pick 9 + Gerald Henderson + Gary Neal
Charlotte in: Pick 6 + Gerald Wallace

Boston out: Pick 6 + Gerald Wallace
Boston in: Pick 9 + Gerald Henderson + Gary Neal

Vonleh goes to the Jazz imo

Pick 6 can be used to draft Randle
Cap space is preserved to sign Lance Stephenson

PG-Kemba Walker/FA or pick 24 (Ennis)
SG-Lance Stephenson/FA pick 24 (Hairston)
SF-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Gerald Wallace
PF-Julius Randle/Cody Zeller
C-Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo

No thanks. Not worth taking on Wallace's contract to slide up three spots. If someone crazy fell then maybe but if we slide up we are either giving up on Zeller and taking a PF or taking a SG who should be around at 9. So either we need another deal for Zeller or we just stay put and pay the same guy less.