2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[BeesWax]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ranking-the-2015-nba-draft-s-top-shooters-012046574.html

So you meant you read a subjective ranking and then you decided it meant he was better. Got it. In that case we can go here and Booker is the top shooter in this draft.

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/05/25/pro ... rcentages/

Mine is based off past performance and the way players have transitioned to the NBA. It is a formula he is using based on the way players have performed in the NBA and what their stats were coming in.

Actually the link you provided shows that R.J. Hunter is the Top Shooter in the draft.

Depends on if you are talking projection 1 or 2. I am guessing looking at numbers 1 is more heavily weighted by FT% than 2 is. Either way both come out ahead of Mario.

[yosemiteben]

Who cares whose numbers you use? They both project to be good shooters, and no one and no statistical analysis is able to tell how good.

Can we just accept that some folks don't like Mario without having a million posts making the same arguments over and over again?

I feel like it's Gary Harris all over again.

[BeesWax]

How about Young and 16(Grant) for 9(WCS)?

That could be a good trade for both teams in the long run.

[Braggins]

I'd hate to see Cody go, but I'm open to it in the right deal. I also don't like trading future picks but I would over trading Zeller. I really feel we need to be aggressive in this draft.

Then be aggressive for Russell. Being aggressive for the most overhyped player in the draft is insane. Moving some we know is good and a good teammate for a player who can't defend, can't beat good players off the dribble, is hated by teammates and coaches and makes dumb decisions is a bad move.

Just stop. Your anti-Hezonja argument collapsed on itself a long time ago. You claim Hezonja cant take people off the dribble while Booker only shot 22 non jump shots in 200 half court attempts. You claim Hezonja is overhyped and didnt play good enough competition despite clearly playing against better competition than anyone in the draft. Youve tried to use what Booker did in high-school to show that he is capable of doing more than what we saw at Kentucky but you dismiss everything Hezonja has done because it was against Euro league competition...

[BeesWax]

I'd hate to see Cody go, but I'm open to it in the right deal. I also don't like trading future picks but I would over trading Zeller. I really feel we need to be aggressive in this draft.

Then be aggressive for Russell. Being aggressive for the most overhyped player in the draft is insane. Moving some we know is good and a good teammate for a player who can't defend, can't beat good players off the dribble, is hated by teammates and coaches and makes dumb decisions is a bad move.

Just stop. Your anti-Hezonja argument collapsed on itself a long time ago. You claim Hezonja cant take people off the dribble while Booker only shot 22 non jump shots in 200 half court attempts. You claim Hezonja is overhyped and didnt play good enough competition despite clearly playing against better competition than anyone in the draft. Youve tried to use what Booker did in high-school to show that he is capable of doing more than what we saw at Kentucky but you dismiss what Hezonja has done because it was against Euro league competition...

I claim what people like you have been using. You can't use DE positive then chose to ignore the negatives. Sorry it offends you that Hezonja is overhyped and played worse talent all year but it is true. My argument has done anything but collapse on itself and blowing a pick on this guy would be a monumental disaster that people like you would blame on Cho and ask for him to get fired in a couple years.

You obviously missed all my points or just can't comprehend them and that is fine but to distort things like you are is crazy. I pointed out that Booker had a job to do in college and did it well. I just pointed out that he showed he was capable of more before he went there but played within the system and did what was asked. Also the fact that Mario won't do that is another one of his flaws you love to ignore.

[Braggins]

Then be aggressive for Russell. Being aggressive for the most overhyped player in the draft is insane. Moving some we know is good and a good teammate for a player who can't defend, can't beat good players off the dribble, is hated by teammates and coaches and makes dumb decisions is a bad move.

Just stop. Your anti-Hezonja argument collapsed on itself a long time ago. You claim Hezonja cant take people off the dribble while Booker only shot 22 non jump shots in 200 half court attempts. You claim Hezonja is overhyped and didnt play good enough competition despite clearly playing against better competition than anyone in the draft. Youve tried to use what Booker did in high-school to show that he is capable of doing more than what we saw at Kentucky but you dismiss what Hezonja has done because it was against Euro league competition...

I claim what people like you have been using. You can't use DE positive then chose to ignore the negatives. Sorry it offends you that Hezonja is overhyped and played worse talent all year but it is true. My argument has done anything but collapse on itself and blowing a pick on this guy would be a monumental disaster that people like you would blame on Cho and ask for him to get fired in a couple years.

You obviously missed all my points or just can't comprehend them and that is fine but to distort things like you are is crazy. I pointed out that Booker had a job to do in college and did it well. I just pointed out that he showed he was capable of more before he went there but played within the system and did what was asked. Also the fact that Mario won't do that is another one of his flaws you love to ignore.

Youre being ridiculous. Im not responding to you on this topic anymore.

[BeesWax]

Just stop. Your anti-Hezonja argument collapsed on itself a long time ago. You claim Hezonja cant take people off the dribble while Booker only shot 22 non jump shots in 200 half court attempts. You claim Hezonja is overhyped and didnt play good enough competition despite clearly playing against better competition than anyone in the draft. Youve tried to use what Booker did in high-school to show that he is capable of doing more than what we saw at Kentucky but you dismiss what Hezonja has done because it was against Euro league competition...

I claim what people like you have been using. You can't use DE positive then chose to ignore the negatives. Sorry it offends you that Hezonja is overhyped and played worse talent all year but it is true. My argument has done anything but collapse on itself and blowing a pick on this guy would be a monumental disaster that people like you would blame on Cho and ask for him to get fired in a couple years.

You obviously missed all my points or just can't comprehend them and that is fine but to distort things like you are is crazy. I pointed out that Booker had a job to do in college and did it well. I just pointed out that he showed he was capable of more before he went there but played within the system and did what was asked. Also the fact that Mario won't do that is another one of his flaws you love to ignore.

Youre being ridiculous. Im not responding to you on this topic anymore.

That is fine but the flaws mentioned in both players profile are the same except Mario has extras of can't get along with people and makes dumb plays. I do not see how he is a better option. He can't beat athletes off the dribble and neither can Booker right now. Both are purely shooters for at least a little while so I will take the better shooter who plays smart basketball and is like by teammates 100 time our of 100. I just don't see how that is ridiculous but making stuff up to support your guy isn't.

[BeesWax]

Anyways. Another team that may look to jump up if WCS falls to us is the Bucks. I am curious what they would offer us to make that move. Not sure they have a package they would consider that we would go for but I would be interested to see what they would try.

[Braggins]

Anyways. Another team that may look to jump up if WCS falls to us is the Bucks. I am curious what they would offer us to make that move. Not sure they have a package they would consider that we would go for but I would be interested to see what they would try.

I dont know if Id want to trade him to the Bucks just cuz I think they could be scary with him on their team.

[BeesWax]

Anyways. Another team that may look to jump up if WCS falls to us is the Bucks. I am curious what they would offer us to make that move. Not sure they have a package they would consider that we would go for but I would be interested to see what they would try.

I dont know if Id want to trade him to the Bucks just cuz I think they could be scary with him on their team.

They would be and I am not sure they have the pieces but I would love to see them try. Any really how long is it until the self implode and sink their team. I figure a trade with them would require a future pick somewhere which is we are lucky and is timed right could be huge.

Would WCS really make them much better than Henson?

[raferfenix]

Bucks fan here. Interested to see you talking about us potentially trading up for 9.

What kind of package do you think the Hornets would be looking for in return?

From our standpoint, the Bucks' biggest need is a long term starting center. I actually am an optimist about John Henson's potential (and trade value), but if he is to be more than a great sub he needs to play next to a burly PF who can rebound and shoot. A Giannis / Parker / Henson front line is just too frail.

Otherwise asset wise when considering future picks we also have a protected LAC pick we got for taking on Dudley's contract, courtesy of GM Rivers.

[BeesWax]

Bucks fan here. Interested to see you talking about us potentially trading up for 9.

What kind of package do you think the Hornets would be looking for in return?

From our standpoint, the Bucks' biggest need is a long term starting center. I actually am an optimist about John Henson's potential (and trade value), but if he is to be more than a great sub he needs to play next to a burly PF who can rebound and shoot. A Giannis / Parker / Henson front line is just too frail.

Otherwise asset wise when considering future picks we also have a protected LAC pick we got for taking on Dudley's contract, courtesy of GM Rivers.

I just mentioned you as a team that could have interest should WCS fall to us. Not sure you have a package that would work for both teams right now. Our biggest need is a core SG and. Big backup PG who defends but that is not solved with you. If we got your pick there are some PGs that work in that range but we are still short a SG.

[raferfenix]

Bucks fan here. Interested to see you talking about us potentially trading up for 9.

What kind of package do you think the Hornets would be looking for in return?

From our standpoint, the Bucks' biggest need is a long term starting center. I actually am an optimist about John Henson's potential (and trade value), but if he is to be more than a great sub he needs to play next to a burly PF who can rebound and shoot. A Giannis / Parker / Henson front line is just too frail.

Otherwise asset wise when considering future picks we also have a protected LAC pick we got for taking on Dudley's contract, courtesy of GM Rivers.

I just mentioned you as a team that could have interest should WCS fall to us. Not sure you have a package that would work for both teams right now. Our biggest need is a core SG and. Big backup PG who defends but that is not solved with you. If we got your pick there are some PGs that work in that range but we are still short a SG.

Ok not sure how many core SG's are around on the market. Either way, if we're just talking assets, the Bucks could send draft picks or whatever else to a 3rd team if it'd bring you the player you want.

For what it's worth OJ Mayo had a pretty solid year for us (especially stepping up when it mattered most in the playoffs) but I don't imagine him being the centerpiece of a deal like this. Bayless also is a big backup PG who defends, but he'd be sweetener too.

Either way, if a core SG is what the Hornets need most though, who do you think you you'd be most likely to be targeting?

[HornetJail]

Bucks fan here. Interested to see you talking about us potentially trading up for 9.

What kind of package do you think the Hornets would be looking for in return?

From our standpoint, the Bucks' biggest need is a long term starting center. I actually am an optimist about John Henson's potential (and trade value), but if he is to be more than a great sub he needs to play next to a burly PF who can rebound and shoot. A Giannis / Parker / Henson front line is just too frail.

Otherwise asset wise when considering future picks we also have a protected LAC pick we got for taking on Dudley's contract, courtesy of GM Rivers.

Honestly don't think there's a package that would interest us in trading that far down. Henson doesn't make sense since Zeller and Vonleh both project to be as good if not better, and we've got to re-sign Bismack. MCW doesn't hold any value to us, and you'd laugh at any deal around Middleton, Giannis, or Parker. Not sure there's a deal to be made here for 9.

However, I'd be willing to take Mayo+Dudley for no value- just swapping expirings for expirings.

[SWedd523]

Who cares whose numbers you use? They both project to be good shooters, and no one and no statistical analysis is able to tell how good.

Can we just accept that some folks don't like Booker without having a million posts making the same arguments over and over again?

I feel like it's Gary Harris all over again.

Fixed

Really turning into a Booker vs Hezonja thing around here.

Should get interesting

[BeesWax]

Bucks fan here. Interested to see you talking about us potentially trading up for 9.

What kind of package do you think the Hornets would be looking for in return?

From our standpoint, the Bucks' biggest need is a long term starting center. I actually am an optimist about John Henson's potential (and trade value), but if he is to be more than a great sub he needs to play next to a burly PF who can rebound and shoot. A Giannis / Parker / Henson front line is just too frail.

Otherwise asset wise when considering future picks we also have a protected LAC pick we got for taking on Dudley's contract, courtesy of GM Rivers.

I just mentioned you as a team that could have interest should WCS fall to us. Not sure you have a package that would work for both teams right now. Our biggest need is a core SG and. Big backup PG who defends but that is not solved with you. If we got your pick there are some PGs that work in that range but we are still short a SG.

Ok not sure how many core SG's are around on the market. Either way, if we're just talking assets, the Bucks could send draft picks or whatever else to a 3rd team if it'd bring you the player you want.

For what it's worth OJ Mayo had a pretty solid year for us (especially stepping up when it mattered most in the playoffs) but I don't imagine him being the centerpiece of a deal like this. Bayless also is a big backup PG who defends, but he'd be sweetener too.

Either way, if a core SG is what the Hornets need most though, who do you think you you'd be most likely to be targeting?

I think we will draft a wing and play MKG and said wing together. Trading that far back does not bother me but we would need a solid asset/assets to make it work. I would want to add something young to our core. Like I said I am not sure we could work a deal but if we could find another team that wants something you have that could land us a potential wing shooter that would work.

[yosemiteben]

Really turning into a Booker vs Hezonja thing around here.

Yep.

[raferfenix]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Thinking about what kind of SG's might be attainable that would entice you to part with 9.

Aside from whether the Bucks could make a 3 way deal happen, what do you think about wings ala -- Demar Derozan or Terrance Ross from Toronto, Stauskas or McLemore from Sacramento, and Batum or Afflalo from Portland?

For what it's worth the Kings and Raptors both have been rumored to be seeking an athletic defender in their front court, and the Blazers are rumored to be looking at Batum + 23 to trade up -- if Aldridge is signalling he's out they might just blow it all up for that matter.

[BeesWax]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Thinking about what kind of SG's might be attainable that would entice you to part with 9.

Aside from whether the Bucks could make a 3 way deal happen, what do you think about wings ala -- Demar Derozan or Terrance Ross from Toronto, Stauskas or McLemore from Sacramento, and Batum or Afflalo from Portland?

For what it's worth the Kings and Raptors both have been rumored to be seeking an athletic defender in their front court, and the Blazers are rumored to be looking at Batum + 23 to trade up -- if Aldridge is signalling he's out they might just blow it all up for that matter.

The problem with Batum is he is a one year left guy and that is a long trade back to get what could be a rental coming off a down year. I like Ross some but DD is a terrible fit because he cannot shoot. I like the two Kings guys as well but trying to trade with them is hard since they are ahead of us right now anyway.

[raferfenix]

I like Ross some but DD is a terrible fit because he cannot shoot. I like the two Kings guys as well but trying to trade with them is hard since they are ahead of us right now anyway.

Ross might be an interesting player to think about here. I don't have a great handle on his trade value, but Toronto seems plenty likley to shake it up a bit after their nasty playoff performance.

Seems like the Bucks could at least get their attention if we offered a package as rich as Henson / 17 / LAC pick.

But would Ross be enough on his own for the Hornets to trade 9?

Similarly, I bet the Hornets do trade it for McLemore, but Stauskas had such a rough rookie season that he might not have much value.