1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[-Ian-]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Derrick Williams, Evan Turner, Hasheem Thabeet, Michael Beasley. Last four NBA second picks haven't lit the league on fire, huh?

Oh, Lord!

[ohara]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... player-too

Some T-Rob to Charlotte talk. Good little read.

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So it looks like tiers are somehwr like

Tier 1 - Davis
Tier 2a (2-5+)- Beal, MKG, Robinson, Drummond
Tier 2b (6-7 or better)- Barnes, Lamb
Tier 3 (8+)- Sullinger, Lillard, Marshall, Henson, Zeller, Rivers,... with first three may go higher due a position need (PG, C; in both cases Blazers could be a culprit)

That would be 6 guys aspiriing for 2nd pick. 2 SGs, 2 SFs, PF and C.

I wonder whether that rumour of Cavs wanting to trade up hasany legs as the last one of 2a they would want is robinson due to having Tristan Thompson already, they would have to be really high on him to pick him as a BPA and surely would not actively trade up for him, which asumming Wizards won't take a big man means Robinson could be there at 4. But I doubt the rumour is true I guess it is either a made up speculation or early smokescreen. Anyway if we are not picking for ourselves (not planing to keep that player, no necessarily having a tra done already) we would be picking Drummond as there would be always a team willing to take a flyer on center with such a potential. If we want Robinson, he may be available at 4, unless Wizards not liking this year perimeter players and thought about him as about a clear BPA, picking him to trade (him or other of their big men), being just greedy. Still if we could get Cavs' pick, trade ours we could get our man (if it is Robinson) AND some assets. Even in a multi team deal, Cho showed he is capable to make those if they make sense for us.

[ohara]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Derrick Williams, Evan Turner, Hasheem Thabeet, Michael Beasley. Last four NBA second picks haven't lit the league on fire, huh?

Oh, Lord!

Bonnell can kiss my 47 year old hairy ass!!!!!

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Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Derrick Williams, Evan Turner, Hasheem Thabeet, Michael Beasley. Last four NBA second picks haven't lit the league on fire, huh?

Oh, Lord!

But last time Cho was involved in second pick, it was ...

[HasheemThabeet]

Learn from the previous mistakes. Don't draft a player #2 overall and then play them 20 minutes a game off the bench.
Also got love Robinson's answer about where he should be drafted. Doesn't matter where he's picked he's gonna produce next year

[LamarMatic7]

Robinson reaction (how does Charlotte sound? included):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_g5sYIwHg8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
(I can't really hear the answer, anyone being able to help with transcription?)

Translate that for me, will ya Erv? I don't speak his **** lingo.

[raleigh]

I'm thinking the Bobcats could easily trade down to #4, allowing the Cavs to leapfrog the Wizards to get the wing they like best.

If you can get the #24 pick for that swap, I think you do it.

[-Ian-]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y-sports-draftexpress-2012-nba-mock-draft-no-022900401--nba.html
Givony's detailed mock draft for yahoo is up - he had us taking Robinson and believes they woud work well together with Biyombo (DX was very high, very convinced and right about Bismack last year).

Jonathan Givony... The guy who said NOH deserved the first pick.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Well deserved #1 pick for New Orleans. They competed all season. No tanking there at all.

[Badd_Intentions]

We competed to, our players just stunk

[JMAC3]

Okay so lets do it this way....

With the number 2 pick do you guys want...

a. Andre Iguodala
b. Danny Granger
c. Eric Gordon
d. Amare Stoudamire
e. Paul Milsap

hopefully you guys know who each of these guys represent, but that doesnt matter in this scenario...

Go!!!!!!!

[Badd_Intentions]

I'll take Amare

[bobcats3wallace]

Probably Eric Gordon or Paul Millsap to be honest.

[-Ian-]

Iguodala or Amare.

[Battery]

I'll take Amare

I wouldn't trade our second round pick for Amare.

[-Ian-]

Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV
More I think about it that 2 nd pick 4 Bobcats would have me sleepless - tough choice - Drummond scares me - has Potential - MKG is winner.

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
I can't wait to see how Michael Jordan can screw up the No. 2 pick.

[James Gatz]

I'll take Amare

I wouldn't trade our second round pick for Amare.

He's saying Amare as a rookie. Each of those players is a comparison to a person in this draft. I would love Amare but I don't think that's who Drummond is going to turn out to be.

Here's how I see it:

We have 3 to 4 realistic options in terms of the pick not including trades. I think workouts and interviews will play heavily here. Drafting any of Robinson, MKG, Beal, and Drummond has both positive and negative factors at play.

Robinson- This is who at this point in the process I would want. He's a physical hard worker who can rebound well and would provide some scoring. Him in tandem with Biyombo would result in a shorter front court but their strengths play off each other. His stock will depend largely where he checks in height wise at the combine and could be anywhere from 6'7 to 6'9.

MKG- I love his warrior spirit, the fact he will always sacrifice himself for the team, but to say his jump shot needs improvement is an understatement. He would replace Maggette at 3 but I don't ever see him being more than 3rd option scoring wise. He like Robinson will probably check in a little undersized as well.

Beal- He has a pretty stroke and rebounded well in college. I would be higher on him if he didn't play the same position as Henderson, who sad as it is probably the best player on our team. The Bobcats do need a scorer and I could see him being a 20 and 5 guy.

Drummond- I'll begin by saying I don't want him. The upsides are obvious. He's an 18 year old kid with a grown man's body. Not many 6'10 6'11 260 guys with that kind of athleticism and speed come around all that often. He could be as great as anyone in this draft. I just don't think he's worth the risk. Also pairing him and Biyombo makes little sense as they both have very limited offensive games.

In Cho we trust.

[Stun704]

Okay so lets do it this way....

With the number 2 pick do you guys want...

a. Andre Iguodala
b. Danny Granger
c. Eric Gordon
d. Amare Stoudamire
e. Paul Milsap

hopefully you guys know who each of these guys represent, but that doesnt matter in this scenario...

Go!!!!!!!

Um except Thomas Robinson is nothing like Paul Milsap, T-Rob is atleast 6'9, look at the picture i posted hes almost as tall as Drummond. Robinson is more like a more skilled Blake Griffin(with less athleticism)/Larry Johnson

Drummond isn't like amar'e really, hes more like DeAndre Jordan
I see the comparisons as
A) Gerald Wallace
b) Glenn Rice
C) Ray Allen
D) DeAndre Jordan meets Emeka Okafor
E) a taller Larry Johnson

[Stun704]

I'll take Amare

I wouldn't trade our second round pick for Amare.

He's saying Amare as a rookie. Each of those players is a comparison to a person in this draft. I would love Amare but I don't think that's who Drummond is going to turn out to be.

Here's how I see it:

We have 3 to 4 realistic options in terms of the pick not including trades. I think workouts and interviews will play heavily here. Drafting any of Robinson, MKG, Beal, and Drummond has both positive and negative factors at play.

Robinson- This is who at this point in the process I would want. He's a physical hard worker who can rebound well and would provide some scoring. Him in tandem with Biyombo would result in a shorter front court but their strengths play off each other. His stock will depend largely where he checks in height wise at the combine and could be anywhere from 6'7 to 6'9.

MKG- I love his warrior spirit, the fact he will always sacrifice himself for the team, but to say his jump shot needs improvement is an understatement. He would replace Maggette at 3 but I don't ever see him being more than 3rd option scoring wise. He like Robinson will probably check in a little undersized as well.

Beal- He has a pretty stroke and rebounded well in college. I would be higher on him if he didn't play the same position as Henderson, who sad as it is probably the best player on our team. The Bobcats do need a scorer and I could see him being a 20 and 5 guy.

Drummond- I'll begin by saying I don't want him. The upsides are obvious. He's an 18 year old kid with a grown man's body. Not many 6'10 6'11 260 guys with that kind of athleticism and speed come around all that often. He could be as great as anyone in this draft. I just don't think he's worth the risk. Also pairing him and Biyombo makes little sense as they both have very limited offensive games.

In Cho we trust.

For reference for those who didn't see it, Harrison Barnes is listed at 6'8 look how much taller T-Rob is compared to him

[fatlever]

this isnt meant to advocate taking player A over player B, just something we all need to keep in mind about building this franchise.

we need assets. its something cho has talked about a lot over the past 2 years. we need assets and eventually we need a franchise player. davis would have been our franchise player. this wont be our only chance to land a franchise player. we will probably be in this position again next year and maybe the year after that. we will also have cap space galore next summer. the last thing we should do right now is to chase a franchise player in this draft. we absolutely cannot afford to miss on a pick. we did that with ammo and it set us back many year. we have to come out of this draft with an asset. we may not come away with a franchise player, most likely we will not.

bottom line, dont compound the pain of missing out on davis, but reaching for a guy who might have the biggest upside but also might have the best chance at being a bust. get a good player and move on.