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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#321 » by catch20two » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:26 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:I tried to tell you guys that last year. Nooooooo. He only came here, because he thought that he could eclipse Kemba in the line up. :roll:


I still believe that was his motive and I don't blame him. Who wouldn't want to be the starting PG if possible? I think he's just learning to accept his role of being one of the better backup PGs in the NBA.
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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#322 » by Marvel » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:05 pm

Always liked Sessions since his days as a Buck. I remember he broke an assist record some time ago there. Hope we keep him here for another 3-4 years.
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Post#323 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:44 am

Sessions isn't exactly a scrub by any means. He could start for a multitude of teams in the league. For him to state that Kemba is going to be "great", and he would have no problem being his backup not only means that A) He has no ego at all, and is a great human being and B) That he already knows that Walker is going to be a stud.

Either way, extend this guy already.
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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#324 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:29 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Sessions isn't exactly a scrub by any means. He could start for a multitude of teams in the league. For him to state that Kemba is going to be "great", and he would have no problem being his backup not only means that A) He has no ego at all, and is a great human being and B) That he already knows that Walker is going to be a stud.

Either way, extend this guy already.

Don't believe he's even eligible for an extension. We only signed him to a two-year deal, meaning we don't even have full bird rights on him, though early bird rights should be enough once we do re-sign him, because I'm pretty sure we will.
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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#325 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:34 pm

Marvel wrote:Always liked Sessions since his days as a Buck. I remember he broke an assist record some time ago there. Hope we keep him here for another 3-4 years.

The crazy thing about those random out-bursts was that he was just called up from the D-League that year. I believe he had that 20-something assist game and a triple double during his first 10 games in the NBA. I also remember being a part of this NBA survivor game where you had to pick a team who'd win every two days or so (whenever when there were plenty of games), yet you couldn't pick the same team twice. The unknown Sessions knocked me out by hitting a game-winner. I expected him to become a starter in the league, but it's even more soothing to see him accept his role as the spark plug for our team.
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Post#326 » by lmcguir5 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:21 pm

One thing I would like to see the NBA add to the official stats list is Fouls drawn. FIBA keeps track of this stat and they use it as a metric to determine who is the most effective when on the floor.

If the NBA adopted the Fouls Drawn, Sessions would be one of the top Bench players in that category. A reason our second unit has any kind of offensive value (although minimal) is because Sessions has an elite ability to get And 1'S
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Post#327 » by Marvel » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:14 pm

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Marvel wrote:Always liked Sessions since his days as a Buck. I remember he broke an assist record some time ago there. Hope we keep him here for another 3-4 years.

The crazy thing about those random out-bursts was that he was just called up from the D-League that year. I believe he had that 20-something assist game and a triple double during his first 10 games in the NBA. I also remember being a part of this NBA survivor game where you had to pick a team who'd win every two days or so (whenever when there were plenty of games), yet you couldn't pick the same team twice. The unknown Sessions knocked me out by hitting a game-winner. I expected him to become a starter in the league, but it's even more soothing to see him accept his role as the spark plug for our team.


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Post#328 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:39 am

He really is an integral part of the identity of our team and I hope the price is right for Ramon and the FO for his payday at the end of next season.
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Post#329 » by lmcguir5 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:50 pm

Sik Infant wrote:He really is an integral part of the identity of our team and I hope the price is right for Ramon and the FO for his payday at the end of next season.


What would you consider giving him? I'm not about to pay Sessions $7mil/yr to come off the bench
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Post#330 » by HornetJail » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:51 pm

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Sik Infant wrote:He really is an integral part of the identity of our team and I hope the price is right for Ramon and the FO for his payday at the end of next season.


What would you consider giving him? I'm not about to pay Sessions $7mil/yr to come off the bench
He is a Bobcat. Nobody's giving him anything. Interest levels in every bobcat is remarkably low.

Even if that changes, he'll sign a Jarrett Jack contract $5-6M a piece. Not much different than it is right now.
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Post#331 » by JT2006 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:25 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:He really is an integral part of the identity of our team and I hope the price is right for Ramon and the FO for his payday at the end of next season.


What would you consider giving him? I'm not about to pay Sessions $7mil/yr to come off the bench

I think his current contract makes sense. Maybe a longer one, 3-4 years instead.
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Post#332 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:04 am

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Sik Infant wrote:He really is an integral part of the identity of our team and I hope the price is right for Ramon and the FO for his payday at the end of next season.


What would you consider giving him? I'm not about to pay Sessions $7mil/yr to come off the bench


I'd give him 4/20, it seems market value for a guy like Sessions and I really would like to keep him longterm, he is still quite young and if we give him 4 years then that will have Ramon at 6 seasons for us.

After that contract he is still young enough to go ring chasing if he wants to.

Perfect backup and compliment to Kemba.
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Post#333 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:05 am

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lmcguir5 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:He really is an integral part of the identity of our team and I hope the price is right for Ramon and the FO for his payday at the end of next season.


What would you consider giving him? I'm not about to pay Sessions $7mil/yr to come off the bench

I think his current contract makes sense. Maybe a longer one, 3-4 years instead.


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Post#334 » by Snidely FC » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:33 pm

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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#335 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:29 am

Shooting Blanks: The Players With the Worst ShotScore

Lowest ShotScore, 2012-13 season
1. Monta Ellis, -159
2. Greg Monroe, -134
3. Ramon Sessions, -130
4. Russell Westbrook, -127
5. Ricky Rubio, -115

These five players are all relatively active shooters, but fail to accrue points from the field at average NBA rates in their most active zones. In other words, each player struggles in his own unique way.


Another point guard with limited perimeter passing options is Charlotte’s Ramon Sessions. He is a wannabe attack guard who has the speed and skill to maneuver through NBA defenses, but has trouble finishing at the basket.

Although he gets a lot of opportunities at the rim, Sessions converts less than half of them. He also struggles as a jump shooter, but to his credit, if his relative inactivity out there is any kind of clue, he seems aware of this limitation.

In a way, Sessions is really similar to Ricky Rubio. Like Sessions, Rubio’s troubles are most extreme closest to the basket. He made a dismal 41 percent of his shots inside 7.5 feet last season, which was tied for worst in the NBA (with Austin Rivers and Randy Foye).


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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#336 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:09 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Shooting Blanks: The Players With the Worst ShotScore

Lowest ShotScore, 2012-13 season
1. Monta Ellis, -159
2. Greg Monroe, -134
3. Ramon Sessions, -130
4. Russell Westbrook, -127
5. Ricky Rubio, -115

These five players are all relatively active shooters, but fail to accrue points from the field at average NBA rates in their most active zones. In other words, each player struggles in his own unique way.


Another point guard with limited perimeter passing options is Charlotte’s Ramon Sessions. He is a wannabe attack guard who has the speed and skill to maneuver through NBA defenses, but has trouble finishing at the basket.

Although he gets a lot of opportunities at the rim, Sessions converts less than half of them. He also struggles as a jump shooter, but to his credit, if his relative inactivity out there is any kind of clue, he seems aware of this limitation.

In a way, Sessions is really similar to Ricky Rubio. Like Sessions, Rubio’s troubles are most extreme closest to the basket. He made a dismal 41 percent of his shots inside 7.5 feet last season, which was tied for worst in the NBA (with Austin Rivers and Randy Foye).


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -shotscore


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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#337 » by fatlever » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:58 am

does shot score take into account how often a player gets to the ft line in each zone?

sessions shot 51% at the rim and 33% from 3ft to 10ft according to bball-ref

this article has different zones and they say sessions shot 41% from insde 7.5 feet.

33% from 3ft to 10ft is rather awful, but 51% at the rim isnt too bad, especially considering how often he draws fouls.

two things i take from this
1) sessions really needs to work on and incorporate some floaters to score from that 3ft to 10ft range
2) sessions probably goes to the rim too often solely looking to get fouled instead of looking to make a shot.

sessions is pretty much a one-trick pony. he can get to the rim with the best in the league (and draws fouls at a good rate when he gets there).
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Post#338 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:12 am

fatlever wrote:does shot score take into account how often a player gets to the ft line in each zone?

sessions shot 51% at the rim and 33% from 3ft to 10ft according to bball-ref

this article has different zones and they say sessions shot 41% from insde 7.5 feet.

33% from 3ft to 10ft is rather awful, but 51% at the rim isnt too bad, especially considering how often he draws fouls.

two things i take from this
1) sessions really needs to work on and incorporate some floaters to score from that 3ft to 10ft range
2) sessions probably goes to the rim too often solely looking to get fouled instead of looking to make a shot.

sessions is pretty much a one-trick pony. he can get to the rim with the best in the league (and draws fouls at a good rate when he gets there).


The 41% from inside 7.5 feet part was about Rubio.

Also, I don't think shot score accounts for anything involving free throws, just field goals. Sessions is decent at finishing around the basket if you ask me, and among the elite at getting to the rim, but he forces the issue sometimes a little too much. It's his bread & butter, so I don't fault him much. I just thought the article was interesting. I would've never thought that he was below average finishing around the basket at a high volume
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Re: Passing is for Starters - the Ramon Sessions Thread 

Post#339 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Nov 7, 2013 10:13 pm

Ramon Sessions’ play pushes Steve Clifford toward more small ball

Charlotte Bobcats coach Steve Clifford is no fan of small ball. He joked at a preseason media luncheon that you go big in the NBA “only if you want to win.”

With that in mind, backup point guard Ramon Sessions must have left quite an impression over the last month.

Clifford is increasingly playing point guards Kemba Walker and Sessions together this early season. While that goes against Clifford’s general philosophy, the success the two have had as a tandem pushes Clifford to be open to the option on more than an occasional basis.

“You have to do what your roster allows to win,” Clifford said. “Our biggest strength is getting to the free-throw line and (Sessions) is our best at getting fouled.”

No doubt of that. Through Tuesday’s games the Bobcats averaged the third-most free-throw attempts in the NBA, at 33 per game. The Houston Rockets were first at 37.4 per game and the Los Angeles Clippers were second at 33.75.

Sessions is by far the Bobcats’ free-throw leader, averaging eight attempts per game. He averages a free throw for every three minutes played so far this season.

The NBA’s leaders in free throw attempts per 48 minutes played this season, through Wednesday:

1. Ramon Sessions, Bobcats: 17.5

2. Kevin Durant, Thunder: 17.1

3. Russell Westbrook, Thunder: 13.8

4. Dwight Howard, Rockets: 13.7

5. Isaiah Thomas, Kings: 12.9

*–Minimum 50 minutes played

Source: Elias Sports Bureau

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Post#340 » by thruthefire » Thu Nov 7, 2013 10:27 pm

Thanks for posting. I really hope this season isn't it for Ramon in Charlotte.
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