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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#321 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:23 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Hornets/Cavs trade scenario

CAVS: MKG (they have no defense) + Blazers pick
HORNETS: Rights to draft Doug McDermott at 8 or 9.

Who says no?


I would say "no"

It never cease to amaze me how some Charlotte fans don't understand MKG's impact value to the team. It's not worth trading unless you're receiving a bonafide borderline All-Star under 30 years of age
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#322 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:23 pm

I think the Cavs would actually be a good situation for MKG. There's no large market pressure and he'd be surrounded by shooters and an embarrassment of the riches on offense.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#323 » by jakenc » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:24 pm

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^MKG yielding an allstar caliber player in a trade? :lol:

I would be thrilled for example if Charlotte were able to deal him for a pick in the 10-13 range to replace what they're losing from DET, But alot of FO's would rather keep their picks in that range then gamble on MKG and his broken jumper.



Hornets/Cavs trade scenario

CAVS: MKG (they have no defense) + Blazers pick
HORNETS: Rights to draft Doug McDermott at 8 or 9.

Who says no?

I think I just vomited a little bit. Ichiro, i get that you don't like MKG's offensive potential, but even trading MKG for McDermott straight up is highway robbery by the Cavs.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#324 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:25 pm

What is this team missing?

2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets

Kemba Walker-PG
Lance Stephenson-SG
Doug McDermott-SF
Cody Zeller-PF
Al Jefferson-C

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Gary Neal-SG/CDR/Taylor
Gerald Henderson-SF/CDR/Taylor
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#325 » by jakenc » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:26 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:^Its tough because MKG's a good kid and a hard worker. You cant help but root for him.

The worst mistake Charlotte can make though is to hang onto him for too long if it appears he isnt going to make a leap and end up trading him for peanuts down the road instead like Minny did with Derrick Williams.

Right now he's Luc Mbah a Moute, and even Luc is more capable of hitting an open J.

"Hang onto him for too long"???? He's in his sophomore season.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#326 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:26 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I think the Cavs would actually be a good situation for MKG. There's no large market pressure and he'd be surrounded by shooters and an embarrassment of the riches on offense.

Charlotte is a smaller market than Cleveland and his confidence will go down even more because that team has ball hogs all over the place (Irving/Waiters) not to mention Brown is a crap coach he will literally touch the ball on offense 5 times a game and 3 of those will be rebounds from Irving bricks
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#327 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:27 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:What is this team missing?

2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets

Kemba Walker-PG
Lance Stephenson-SG
Doug McDermott-SF
Cody Zeller-PF
Al Jefferson-C

2nd unit

Shaun Livingston-PG
Gary Neal-SG/CDR/Taylor
Gerald Henderson-SF/CDR/Taylor
Josh McRoberts-PF
Bismack Biyombo-C

Top-1 protected Pistons pick 2014-2015


DEFENSE (sans Bismack Biyombo)
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#328 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:28 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:What is this team missing?

2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets

Kemba Walker-PG
Lance Stephenson-SG
Doug McDermott-SF
Cody Zeller-PF
Al Jefferson-C

2nd unit

Shaun Livingston-PG
Gary Neal-SG/CDR/Taylor
Gerald Henderson-SF/CDR/Taylor
Josh McRoberts-PF
Bismack Biyombo-C

Top-1 protected Pistons pick 2014-2015

could use some wing defense (CDR and Gerald are very average) and Lance isn't as good as MKG is on defense
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#329 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:30 pm

Looks to me like 10 deep with players who can do everything.
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Post#330 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:30 pm

The Pacers are a below average offensive team with Lance Stephenson. How much impact on that side of the floor do you guys really think he'll help the Hornets/Bobcats?
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#331 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:35 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:The Pacers are a below average offensive team with Lance Stephenson. How much impact on that side of the floor do you guys really think he'll help the Hornets/Bobcats?

probably the same he is doing there he isn't a scorer he is an all-around player
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#332 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:42 pm

MKG is a very good (potentially elite) defender at the SF position (position with the most superstars/stars in the NBA LeBron/Durant/Melo/George/Deng/Gay/Batum/Hayward etc.) he can also guard SG's (Wade/Harden/Thompson/ DeRozan/Turner/Kobe) and can also guard some PG's and PF's, if we want to be elite we need him to guard those star players if we get rid of him who will guard them? elite perimeter defenders dont exactly grow on trees
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#333 » by fatlever » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:21 pm

be careful what you wish for with lance. simmons makes some good points about him today in his mailbag.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#334 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:21 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:The Pacers are a below average offensive team with Lance Stephenson. How much impact on that side of the floor do you guys really think he'll help the Hornets/Bobcats?


Considering hes a threat to have close to a triple double anytime he steps on the floor quite a bit. Hes also a freakish rebounder for his position.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#335 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:22 pm

jakenc wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:^Its tough because MKG's a good kid and a hard worker. You cant help but root for him.

The worst mistake Charlotte can make though is to hang onto him for too long if it appears he isnt going to make a leap and end up trading him for peanuts down the road instead like Minny did with Derrick Williams.

Right now he's Luc Mbah a Moute, and even Luc is more capable of hitting an open J.

"Hang onto him for too long"???? He's in his sophomore season.


Thats right. He's finishing his second year and has shown no improvement whatsoever offensively. If by next year at this time he's still at the same level, his value is shot and if they decide to trade him then, you can expect a paltry return like the Wolves got on Dwill, who was only 22 himself at the time it became apparent to the rest of the league he was only going to be a marginal role player despite having been the #2 pick.

Gilchrist is a very good wing defender but he's certainly not a consistent shut down level defender...lets not forget James and Anthony both recently dropped career highs on him. These are two future HOFers so nobody expects him to shut them out but an elite stopper would have been expected to at least hold them close to their averages.

Gilchrist wasnt a bad #2 pick. It was just a bad draft after Davis went off the board at #1 (nobody expected Lillard to be this good). If Gilchrist were coming out in this draft, he wouldnt even be considered anywhere in the top 10. Thats the talent disparity between the 2012-2014 drafts.

Anyone holding their breath for some team to offer a young bonafide all-star for MKG straight up is going to get blue in the face.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#336 » by Braggins » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:26 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:
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Bassman wrote:I really don't think Pau would be a great addition, but if healthy he would be better than McBob. If I presume to go inside the mind of Cho, this projects as a temporary move; gives Cody more time to grow into his eventual starting role, and enable the team to take a bigger jump up in effectiveness. That might happen ONLY IF you can get a healthy Pau.

By the way, I still like the idea of Lance here. Frankly, my choice is to deal MKG for a quality SG or SF, and get the other via free agency. Both need to be able to shoot and give us reasonably good defense. We need better balance, and while I like Hyphen, I just don't see him ever delivering enough offensive production. Now, if everyone else on our starting 5 was a stud scorer, then he's a no-brainer keeper. But Kemba is a marginal shooter, and eventual starter Cody will be good but no Kevin Love. In today's NBA, we need killer-good scorers at the primo positions (SG & SF).

Agree with Pau completely disagree with everything else. Everyone seems to forget how terrible Pau did with Howard on the roster when he was forced to play mostly out of the high post. It would be the exact same situation here. He is at his most effective on the low block working inside then out pretty much the same as Al albeit with a better midrange/passing game.

I'm not even going to argue the MKG points because he isn't going anywhere unless we get an all-star caliber player and you are crazy if you think anything different.


^MKG yielding an allstar caliber player in a trade? :lol:

Gilchrists' striking offensive ineptitude (cant shoot 3s and when he does, is only 11% on the season, 64% from foul line) outweighs his defensive contributions and there's gritty SF FA's and non-lotto rookies who can be had that can provide much of the same thing and can at least hit and open 3 along with it.

It wouldnt surprise me to see MKG shopped this offseason and, if it comes to pass where he is traded, all the folks still enamored with his potential and under the illusion that he's on the cusp of breaking out are going to be disappointed when they see how little he actually commands in return.

I would be thrilled for example if Charlotte were able to deal him for a pick in the 10-13 range to replace what they're losing from DET, But alot of FO's would rather keep their picks in that range then gamble on MKG and his broken jumper.

In terms of offseason targets:

Agreed, stay away from Gasol. He's over the hill and whoever throws him bod dollars will regret it.

SG/SF need to be our priorities.

I'd still shoot to do everything possible within reason to sign Lance. Look to dump Hendo to anyone who can absorb his salary. Re-sign CDR to float between backup 3 and third string 2.

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HE IS 20 YEARS OLD! What part of this do you people not understand about MKG... He has one weakness, which is a terrible weakness, but shooting is by far the easiest skill to improve over time. Even as he is now (AT 20 YEARS OLD) when the team played without him for that long stretch when he was injured our defense fell apart and it was the worst stretch of the season. I seriously can't believe how some of you people are perceiving MKG. It is literally insane.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#337 » by Braggins » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:32 pm

On Lance Stephenson: He is a very capable outside shooter even if he isn't a knock down guy. I think he would be great on this team.
I'm literally facepalming at people wanting to trade MKG for Doug Mcdermont and comparing him to Mbah a Moute... I'm getting the feeling some of you have no grasp whatsoever of the game of basketball and have no understanding of what you are watching. It is a good thing people like you aren't running this organization... We are talking about a second year player who was the youngest player in his draft class. You all act like hes been in the organization for five years and hasn't improved at all. He can't even legally drink and he is a top 10 defender and rebounder at his position with all kinds of athleticism and intangibles.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#338 » by BeesWax » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:44 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:What is this team missing?

2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets

Kemba Walker-PG
Lance Stephenson-SG
Doug McDermott-SF
Cody Zeller-PF
Al Jefferson-C

2nd unit

Shaun Livingston-PG
Gary Neal-SG/CDR/Taylor
Gerald Henderson-SF/CDR/Taylor
Josh McRoberts-PF
Bismack Biyombo-C

Top-1 protected Pistons pick 2014-2015

You need a different starting PF. This is not a crack at Cody but if you are going to play McBuckets and Big Al you need a shot blocker at PF. John Henson would fit well in that starting group to protect the rim.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#339 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:45 pm

fatlever wrote:be careful what you wish for with lance. simmons makes some good points about him today in his mailbag.
I'm not as high on Lance as many others. All of his triple doubles look good on the surface but his advanced stats are blah average. I would definitely prefer him over Hendo but he's not the type of player I would break the bank over. He's slightly above average. His rebounds and assist numbers would be down playing for us.
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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#340 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:51 pm

catch20two wrote:
fatlever wrote:be careful what you wish for with lance. simmons makes some good points about him today in his mailbag.
I'm not as high on Lance as many others. All of his triple doubles look good on the surface but his advanced stats are blah average. I would definitely prefer him over Hendo but he's not the type of player I would break the bank over. He's slightly above average. His rebounds and assist numbers would be down playing for us.


What did Simmons say about him ?
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