2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[BeesWax]

I like Ross some but DD is a terrible fit because he cannot shoot. I like the two Kings guys as well but trying to trade with them is hard since they are ahead of us right now anyway.

Ross might be an interesting player to think about here. I don't have a great handle on his trade value, but Toronto seems plenty likley to shake it up a bit after their nasty playoff performance.

Seems like the Bucks could at least get their attention if we offered a package as rich as Henson / 17 / LAC pick.

But would Ross be enough on his own for the Hornets to trade 9?

Similarly, I bet the Hornets do trade it for McLemore, but Stauskas had such a rough rookie season that he might not have much value.

There lies the problem. You need the 17 pick to get to 9 plus pieces so you can't use the pick to find your pieces. We would not likely trade 9 for McLemore either. Value just isn't there although he did end the season strong.

[SeanBobcats]

I like Ross some but DD is a terrible fit because he cannot shoot. I like the two Kings guys as well but trying to trade with them is hard since they are ahead of us right now anyway.

Ross might be an interesting player to think about here. I don't have a great handle on his trade value, but Toronto seems plenty likley to shake it up a bit after their nasty playoff performance.

Seems like the Bucks could at least get their attention if we offered a package as rich as Henson / 17 / LAC pick.

But would Ross be enough on his own for the Hornets to trade 9?

Similarly, I bet the Hornets do trade it for McLemore, but Stauskas had such a rough rookie season that he might not have much value.

I most definitely would give up the 9th pick and maybe something else with not huge value just to sweeten the pot a little in order to get McLemore and and number 17. However, I feel like the Kings are high on McLemore. I'm not really a fan of the other guys. Ross is decent but I feel like he would just come in and become another inconsistent shooter which is really the last thing the Hornets need at this point.

[raferfenix]

There lies the problem. You need the 17 pick to get to 9 plus pieces so you can't use the pick to find your pieces. We would not likely trade 9 for McLemore either. Value just isn't there although he did end the season strong.

I've been talking about something like this scenario with the Bucks and Raptors board:

Bucks trade: 17, Henson, Ennis, LAC pick
Bucks receive: 9

Raptors trade: Ross
Raptors receive: Henson, Ennis

Hornets trade: 9, Roberts (or whatever cap filler)
Hornets receive: Ross, 17, LAC pick

I might be overrating Ross's value, as Raptors fans by and large were very happy with the return.Their board generally seems to want him gone badly.

On the Milwaukee board, Bucks fans are only for it if and only if we can get our long term starting center at the 9 pick. However there is a lot of disagreement about whether any center after WCS (likely to go before then) would be worth giving up this much for.

If the LAC pick were not included that might make the Bucks feel better if they are not totally sold on Kaminsky or Turner. Either way though, if Charlotte doesn't really like Ross, this deal doesn't happen.

[Flip Murray]

There lies the problem. You need the 17 pick to get to 9 plus pieces so you can't use the pick to find your pieces. We would not likely trade 9 for McLemore either. Value just isn't there although he did end the season strong.

I've been talking about something like this scenario with the Bucks and Raptors board:

Bucks trade: 17, Henson, Ennis, LAC pick
Bucks receive: 9

Raptors trade: Ross
Raptors receive: Henson, Ennis

Hornets trade: 9, Roberts (or whatever cap filler)
Hornets receive: Ross, 17, LAC pick

I might be overrating Ross's value, as Raptors fans by and large were very happy with the return.Their board generally seems to want him gone badly.

On the Milwaukee board, Bucks fans are only for it if and only if we can get our long term starting center at the 9 pick. However there is a lot of disagreement about whether any center after WCS (likely to go before then) would be worth giving up this much for.

If the LAC pick were not included that might make the Bucks feel better if they are not totally sold on Kaminsky or Turner. Either way though, if Charlotte doesn't really like Ross, this deal doesn't happen.

accept, but you might want to get a more level-headed opinion because I would honestly trade WCS for the 17th pick straight up if it came to that.

[raferfenix]

I most definitely would give up the 9th pick and maybe something else with not huge value just to sweeten the pot a little in order to get McLemore and and number 17. However, I feel like the Kings are high on McLemore. I'm not really a fan of the other guys. Ross is decent but I feel like he would just come in and become another inconsistent shooter which is really the last thing the Hornets need at this point.

The Kings are as win now as it gets and McLemore helps them do that while also being a building block for the future. I suspect it'd take a ton to get him in a trade, but who knows, maybe George Karl isn't high on him for whatever reason.

Otherwise I feel your concern on Ross. He has more detractors on the Toronto board than I was expecting.

Then again if there is no risk there is no reward, and if Ross puts the pieces of his game together he could be a hell of a 3 and D wing.

[BeesWax]

There lies the problem. You need the 17 pick to get to 9 plus pieces so you can't use the pick to find your pieces. We would not likely trade 9 for McLemore either. Value just isn't there although he did end the season strong.

I've been talking about something like this scenario with the Bucks and Raptors board:

Bucks trade: 17, Henson, Ennis, LAC pick
Bucks receive: 9

Raptors trade: Ross
Raptors receive: Henson, Ennis

Hornets trade: 9, Roberts (or whatever cap filler)
Hornets receive: Ross, 17, LAC pick

I might be overrating Ross's value, as Raptors fans by and large were very happy with the return.Their board generally seems to want him gone badly.

On the Milwaukee board, Bucks fans are only for it if and only if we can get our long term starting center at the 9 pick. However there is a lot of disagreement about whether any center after WCS (likely to go before then) would be worth giving up this much for.

If the LAC pick were not included that might make the Bucks feel better if they are not totally sold on Kaminsky or Turner. Either way though, if Charlotte doesn't really like Ross, this deal doesn't happen.

accept, but you might want to get a more level-headed opinion because I would honestly trade WCS for the 17th pick straight up if it came to that.

I do not think Ross is enough to move up and that late 1st Clippers pick is not really much to speak of either. It is not real far off but dropping from 9 to 17 seems a little to much for that return.

[yosemiteben]

I've been talking about something like this scenario with the Bucks and Raptors board:

Bucks trade: 17, Henson, Ennis, LAC pick
Bucks receive: 9

Raptors trade: Ross
Raptors receive: Henson, Ennis

Hornets trade: 9, Roberts (or whatever cap filler)
Hornets receive: Ross, 17, LAC pick

I might be overrating Ross's value, as Raptors fans by and large were very happy with the return.Their board generally seems to want him gone badly.

On the Milwaukee board, Bucks fans are only for it if and only if we can get our long term starting center at the 9 pick. However there is a lot of disagreement about whether any center after WCS (likely to go before then) would be worth giving up this much for.

If the LAC pick were not included that might make the Bucks feel better if they are not totally sold on Kaminsky or Turner. Either way though, if Charlotte doesn't really like Ross, this deal doesn't happen.

accept, but you might want to get a more level-headed opinion because I would honestly trade WCS for the 17th pick straight up if it came to that.

I do not think Ross is enough to move up and that late 1st Clippers pick is not really much to speak of either. It is not real far off but dropping from 9 to 17 seems a little to much for that return.

My thoughts exactly.

[Eoghan]

^same.

[Liver_Pooty]

Someone is going to fall in this draft whether it be Porz, WCS, Mudiay, someone, and I think it may entice another team to offer up a really solid package to trade up. I think we trade our pick on draft night

[Elden Payton]

If someone falls then we should just take them imo.

[Braggins]

If someone falls then we should just take them imo.

Agreed. If a top talent falls and we trade our pick for a vet, I think it would be a very clear sign that our FO is completely delusional about the state of our team.

[Liver_Pooty]

If someone falls then we should just take them imo.

Agreed. If a top talent falls and we trade our pick for a vet, I think it would be a very clear sign that our FO is completely delusional about the state of our team.

Depends on what the trade is for me. Mudiay may fall off the face of the earth if he's not careful.

[LofJ]

The most likely guy to drop in my opinion is WCS. I think a lot of teams see Larry Sanders when they look at him. It's where that criticism that he's too smart came from. Regardless though we will definitely get some trade offers if he's on the board at 9. I could see the Pacers, Suns, Celtics, and Hawks all being interested.

[Eoghan]

No one has ever, ever accused Larry Sanders of being too smart. Ever.

I'd also rather just take whomever falls than trade for a vet. I don't really see the guys in our draft range getting much of a return in a trade package. I think other teams are likely to do a lot of low-balling.

[BeesWax]

Someone is going to fall in this draft whether it be Porz, WCS, Mudiay, someone, and I think it may entice another team to offer up a really solid package to trade up. I think we trade our pick on draft night

I hope we do. Fall back a few picks for an underused prospect and a pick. My hope is WCs and get Young and the Celtics pick for 9. Then draft Grant there or Payne if he fell that far.

[Elden Payton]

Someone is going to fall in this draft whether it be Porz, WCS, Mudiay, someone, and I think it may entice another team to offer up a really solid package to trade up. I think we trade our pick on draft night

I hope we do. Fall back a few picks for an underused prospect and a pick. My hope is WCs and get Young and the Celtics pick for 9. Then draft Grant there or Payne if he fell that far.

This would be brilliant but I'm not sure the C's do it.

[Snidely FC]

Kemba Walker + Al Jefferson + 9 to NY Knicks for Jose Calderon + Andreas Bargnani + 4 (Emmanuel Mudiay)

CHA gets veteran PG Calderon to hold the fort while PG of the future Mudiay develops. CHA gets rid of its two best players but also the two players I think are the biggest problem in terms of style of play moving forward, and opens the door to a modern style of play that better utilizes our young stable of MKG, Zeller, Vonleh, Biz, Hairston and Mudiay with size and athleticism all over the floor.

[Snidely FC]

Troy Daniels + 9 to OKC for Mitch McGary + 15 (draft whoever is left from Payne, Grant, Booker, Oubre . . .)

ps: I don't think the 9 alone is enough to get McGary. I throw in Daniels because, Daniels is too slight to be a rotation SG imo, I prefer PJ as a prospect, and you are basically drafting Daniels's replacement with 15.

[GimmeDat]

Maybe this is completely off-base and you guys would laugh it off, I guess it depends on how much you want to get rid of Lance and how much you value that #9 (and whether you can get a better deal for it).

Gibson + 22 for Stephenson, Zeller and #9.

Gibson, outside of being a stretch 4, is probably the ideal PF to have next to Jefferson - one of the best PF defenders in the league and with a dependable post and mid-range game on offense. Zeller goes to prevent a log-jam at PF, but it forces you guys to play Vonleh more, who probably deserved more time than what he got from the looks of things. With #22, you can go for a 3 and D guy like Justin Anderson. As for us, we free up more minutes for Mirotic and hope Lance doesn't destroy our locker room and actually contribute on the court, and we pray WCS drops and we develop our backup to Noah/future replacement.

[Liver_Pooty]

Maybe this is completely off-base and you guys would laugh it off, I guess it depends on how much you want to get rid of Lance and how much you value that #9 (and whether you can get a better deal for it).

Gibson + 22 for Stephenson, Zeller and #9.

Gibson, outside of being a stretch 4, is probably the ideal PF to have next to Jefferson - one of the best PF defenders in the league and with a dependable post and midrange game on offense. Zeller goes to prevent a log-jam at PF, but it forces you guys to play Vonleh more, who probably deserved more time than what he got from the looks of things. With #22, you can go for a 3 and D guy like Justin Anderson. As for us, we free up more minutes for Mirotic and hope Lance doesn't destroy our locker room and actually contribute on the court, and we pray WCS drops and we develop our backup to Noah/future replacement.

No thanks