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Post#321 » by gafun » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:25 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:I'm at a loss for why Lin has been passive offensively. He's usually in one of the following situations:

1. Playing SG with Kemba or Roberts or even Batum playing the point. In this case, Lin tends to hide in a corner 3 position (either to create space in the middle or set up as a 3pt shooter, but it seems like the ball never gets to him). He becomes a non-factor because Kemba and Batum aren't driving and dishing to him, but instead taking 20ft jumpers. Sometimes, at the end of the shot clock, the ball will make its way to Lin but then he has to throw up a last second heave.

2. Playing PG with Zeller, Hawes, Lamb, Williams. Here, he usually starts at the top and either tries to get a screen from Hawes (which is a terrible option because, after the screen, Hawes is left open but you don't want him to take a 20ft jumper) or he waits until another player gets open, say on a curl. Other than passing to Lamb, Lin has limited options because Hawes is terrible and Zeller can't hit a mid-range shot either. Lin either has to (1) pass to Lamb, which has been working recently because Lamb's shot has been good, (2) pass to Hawes or Zeller, which is a turnover or missed shot waiting to happen, or (3) prod and penetrate to find opportunities. I prefer this last option but again, he doesn't have offensive options to turn to. The opposing team collapses on him but the other players don't move to open spaces.


This is the best post I ever seen regarding Lin's problems. Lin has not got much chance to play his style effectively. It is not about if he should start, or his minutes. It is his role and who he plays with defines his effectiveness.


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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#322 » by gafun » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:47 pm

fatlever wrote:Can someone provide a credible link that mentions Lin turning down an offer from the Warriors? Just curious. Not saying its not true, I just don't remember it. I'd hate for hearsay to get repeated enough that months from now it is repeated as fact.


It doesn't need to confirm. Worries owner (not GM) Joe Lacob said his biggest regret is letting Lin get away. (12/2014). $2m backup PG for Worries and a chance to get a ring for Lin with minimum playtime as what he has now, it does seem impossible.


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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#323 » by fatlever » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:17 pm

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fatlever wrote:Can someone provide a credible link that mentions Lin turning down an offer from the Warriors? Just curious. Not saying its not true, I just don't remember it. I'd hate for hearsay to get repeated enough that months from now it is repeated as fact.


It seems to stem from Lin's quotes from the interview this morning at the shoot around, based on today's NY Post article.


Sorry, I didnt see the link in your original post. I thought it was a quoted response from someone else. Gonna read the article now.
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Post#324 » by steady » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:43 pm

fatlever wrote:Can someone provide a credible link that mentions Lin turning down an offer from the Warriors? Just curious. Not saying its not true, I just don't remember it. I'd hate for hearsay to get repeated enough that months from now it is repeated as fact.


I don't know of any direct evidence, but Warriors have been interested in Lin for a while. Around the time they signed Livingston, there were rumors they wanted to get Lin from the Rockets, but the Rockets were not interested. Then only after Livingston signed with Warriors, Chris Bosh expressed interest in signing with Rockets, and the whole train of events that led to Lin going to LA began.

Warriors were definitely also among the 8 or so teams I remember being reported as having reached out to Lin early in free agency this summer.

And it took Warriors a long time to re-sign Barbosa, and Barbosa signed for a one year salary of 2,500,000. I would think more likely than not Lin was offered that spot, given Lin's history with Warriors, friendship with Curry, friendship with both the owner, and also the owner's son (who is part of management there, and who Lin played ball with in high school) and mainlyjust how well he would fit in Warriors' system.

What seemed to happen is that Lin let a lot of his options fall by the wayside as he was negotiating with Mavs because he wanted a starting role, and would probably have gotten one there -- running the PNR with DeAndre Jordan, when Jordan was supposedly going there.
(That Dallas was trying to work out a way to get Lin there was widely reported this summer including by Woj.)

Lin was one of the casualties of that whole DeAndre fiasco. When that deal fell apart, he had to scramble to make something happen, because by then it was nearing the end of free agency.

So a lot of serendipity and chance events and timing, were involved in Lin's ending up in Charlotte. (Much like the perfect storm of chance events that had to come together to lead to his stints in LA, and in NY before that.)

Charlotte may turn out to be the best destination for Lin though

So short answer to your question, Lin had options this summer (probably including the Warriors), although probably not as many options by the time he signed with Charlotte.
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Post#325 » by anthoang » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:52 am

spaceballer wrote:The video that the Fung Bros flew out to Charlotte to film with Lin. Shares NBA insider slang like "tag", "cleanse", "blue/down/ice". He's learning moves from watching little kids :lol:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mZjBVTFKKA[/youtube]


This is disappointing. I kinda expected more out of the Fung Brothers. It was just an interview... no creativity at all. KevJumba videos with Lin is way more entertaining.
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Post#326 » by spaceballer » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:54 am

anthoang wrote:
spaceballer wrote:The video that the Fung Bros flew out to Charlotte to film with Lin. Shares NBA insider slang like "tag", "cleanse", "blue/down/ice". He's learning moves from watching little kids :lol:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mZjBVTFKKA[/youtube]


This is disappointing. I kinda expected more out of the Fung Brothers. It was just an interview... no creativity at all. KevJumba videos with Lin is way more entertaining.


They said this was only part one. They plan to upload the other parts soon.
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Post#327 » by steady » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:12 am

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Post#328 » by RealHusky » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:29 pm

Tough loss. Couple of observations:

1. Hornets need an interior rim protector the worst way. None of the bigs right now can play good D in the middle. This puts a ton of pressure on the guards on perimeter defense.

2. Bigs (especially Hawe) needs to knock down some open shots. There were at least 4 assists that didn't happen for Lin that went to wide open Hawe and he missed all the shots. He need to make them if he can't play defense.

3. Kemba is a SG in a PG body. Love Kemba and he is best at a role where he can attack ala Bobby Jackson type.

4. Lin needs to be the primary PG for this team. The team plays much more in control when he has the ball and is the PG. He is good at SG or combo guard but he should be the PG for the team.
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Post#329 » by thekiller99 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:58 pm

Lin should be the starting PG with Al, Lamb, Zeller and Frank while Kemba and Batum plays in the second unit. Kemba has no court vision or playmaking abilities except making his own shots.

Lin took the score from 25 - 28 to 38 - 32 where he had the offense go through him and touch the rock in every possession. While Kemba iced the whole team in the 4th and iso most of the possessions.

Then came Mr 1-9 1-4 Batum and he let his ego get to him and went on a shooting spree and bricked the chance for Hornets to take the game.
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Post#330 » by Dancingpanda » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:11 pm

thekiller99 wrote:Lin should be the starting PG with Al, Lamb, Zeller and Frank while Kemba and Batum plays in the second unit. Kemba has no court vision or playmaking abilities except making his own shots.

Lin took the score from 25 - 28 to 38 - 32 where he had the offense go through him and touch the rock in every possession. While Kemba iced the whole team in the 4th and iso most of the possessions.

Then came Mr 1-9 1-4 Batum and he let his ego get to him and went on a shooting spree and bricked the chance for Hornets to take the game.


first off who is going to Guard the perimeter with all three Zeller Frank and All on the court on the same time?

Although I see the point you are trying to make, in haveing Lin out with people that improve his pick and pop/roll game.
But Lin still needs to clean up his handles before he's anywhere close to getting starters minutes.

If anything Cliff should fix the rotation to where Lin is with those you said instead of just giving him the starting role.
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Post#331 » by bws94 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:54 pm

Lin is more and more looking like a Ginobili-lite player to me. Doesn't have the handles to start but should play significant minutes and finish most games. Lin doesn't even seem like he wants to play PG once another PG is on the court with him. Even Brian Roberts.
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Post#332 » by spaceballer » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:32 pm

Coach Nick from B-Ball Breakdown tweeted a vine of Lin's penetrate/probe/behind the back baseline bounce pass to a trailing Al for an easy shot beneath the basket.

https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/667054498091802624

And then someone responded with a vine showing Lin doing the exact same move with Psycho T in practice.

https://twitter.com/alpikohen/status/667056080413962242

So it seems to be a play the team has practiced with more than one big, to use the attention that Lin draws when he dribble drives and tours the paint to get shots under the basket for trailing bigs, who get easy baskets in the wake of the disruption that Lin causes to the defense when he has the ball to playmake with.
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Post#333 » by jtsmith » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:25 am

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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#334 » by fatlever » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:27 am

Not the headline I would have chosen for the game, but whatever. I would have used:

Batum Bounces Back As Hornets Hold Off Nets.

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Post#335 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:39 am

Lol. Jeremy Lins late heroics? Hilarious. Whatever gets hits I guess.
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Post#336 » by Vae Victus » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:46 am

Why is his shot so damn broken atm. Last year he started off hot until Byron Scott screwed with him in benching him for superstar stud defender Ronnie "Head of the Snake" Price, this year, while his mins are kinda low he's bricking pretty badly.
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Post#337 » by bws94 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:49 am

fatlever wrote:Not the headline I would have chosen for the game, but whatever. I would have used:

Batum Bounces Back As Hornets Hold Off Nets.

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NY Post likes to maximize hits. NY area fans are more familiar with Lin. But your headline is the correct one.
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Post#338 » by bws94 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:51 am

Vae Victus wrote:Why is his shot so damn broken atm. Last year he started off hot until Byron Scott screwed with him in benching him for superstar stud defender Ronnie "Head of the Snake" Price, this year, while his mins are kinda low he's bricking pretty badly.



His minutes are fine, he's missing some shots now. He'll make some and get in a good shooting groove. That's what he does.

I just heard PFV say Lin was playing Jeremy ball. It's frantic, high-risk, high-reward. And it is the hope that the good outweighs the bad. That's about right. Good, bad and ugly all from one player.
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Post#339 » by 13th Man » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:02 am

bws94 wrote:
Vae Victus wrote:Why is his shot so damn broken atm. Last year he started off hot until Byron Scott screwed with him in benching him for superstar stud defender Ronnie "Head of the Snake" Price, this year, while his mins are kinda low he's bricking pretty badly.



His minutes are fine, he's missing some shots now. He'll make some and get in a good shooting groove. That's what he does.

I just heard PFV say Lin was playing Jeremy ball. It's frantic, high-risk, high-reward. And it is the hope that the good outweighs the bad. That's about right. Good, bad and ugly all from one player.


I'm not really a fan of this style if he's not under control. The coaches really hate it when he's out of control and causing TOs. He's been getting minutes the past 2 games (partly due to PJ out) so he has to show that he belongs in this system and earn the confidence of his teammates and coaches. He played alright tonight (not great) and was a nice part of the W.
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Post#340 » by bws94 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:07 am

13th Man wrote:
bws94 wrote:
Vae Victus wrote:Why is his shot so damn broken atm. Last year he started off hot until Byron Scott screwed with him in benching him for superstar stud defender Ronnie "Head of the Snake" Price, this year, while his mins are kinda low he's bricking pretty badly.



His minutes are fine, he's missing some shots now. He'll make some and get in a good shooting groove. That's what he does.

I just heard PFV say Lin was playing Jeremy ball. It's frantic, high-risk, high-reward. And it is the hope that the good outweighs the bad. That's about right. Good, bad and ugly all from one player.


I'm not really a fan of this style if he's not under control. The coaches really hate it when he's out of control and causing TOs. He's been getting minutes the past 2 games (partly due to PJ out) so he has to show that he belongs in this system and earn the confidence of his teammates and coaches. He played alright tonight (not great) and was a nice part of the W.


If coach accepts high-risk, high-reward, then Lin will play. I agree he was just alright tonight, but he had the 9 rebounds and coach likes that. His shot will come back, he's in a pretty bad slump lately. Don't know about PJ, I think Lin will get 25-28 minutes when all is said and done. Closer to the higher number probably as he'll have some big games. When Lin takes 13 shots, he usually scores 20 or more points.

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