S&T With New Orleans: The Devonte Graham Thread

[DY_nasty]

I'm excited to see what Devonte' can do as a #2 option with Hayward #1. Opposing teams swarmed and smothered him last season and his numbers tanked. Once again he won't be the focal point of a defense. He's gonna get some clean looks and be relieved of ballhandling. I think he's gonna be amazing.

devonte averaged more last year then gordon did in all but 3 seasons lmao

[JMAC3]

I know some people on the board have called me out for not being an advanced stat guy, but I definitely use game flow/opportunity as part of my decision making process. Also, I know I use football a lot to make my point, but I do this because I think football is further along with some of their thinking processes for betting games or predicating certain outcomes statistically.

Graham last year was forced into more bad shots then Hayward was as the 4th option, from a game flow and opportunity standpoint. So how I equate that is that Graham shot more shots but also shot a lower percentage on those shots. Whereas Hayward shot less bad shots and therefore shot a higher percentage. I don't think it says much about their actual skill set and I look for their numbers from last year to meet in the middle in terms of efficiency because they will help each other.

Example: I believe that Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is due for a really good season in terms of increasing his ppg, assist and rebounds. However because OKC is losing 15 shots from Schroeder, 13 from Gallo, 13 from CP3 and 7.5 from Adams I think he will be forced into a much worse average shot attempt then he did last year when he shot 15 times himself.

They are trying to replace 50 shots with guys like Dort and Bazley taking on a bigger role and Muscala, George Hill and Horford.

I fully expect SGA to add another 5-6 shots attempted per game and those shots will probably be less open then the shots he took last year. Also, he will lose some of the easier shots that he received last year playing with CP3, so conclusion all in all I expect his overall efficiency numbers to really tank this year and I do not think it is because he is a worse player, but because of the gameflow and opportunity he is put into.

[DY_nasty]

Hayward as some 4th option by circumstance is absurd. People gotta stop riding with that...

The Celtics were more comfortable with Marcus Smart taking shots than counting on Hayward. Let the guy own his play.

[JMAC3]

Hayward as some 4th option by circumstance is absurd. People gotta stop riding with that...

The Celtics were more comfortable with Marcus Smart taking shots than counting on Hayward. Let the guy own his play.

How many Celtics games did you sit down and watch this year? 2-6 probably at most.

Personally I am taking the 4th option material from guys who have come from Celtics board who probably watched 50+ Boston games this year.

[DY_nasty]

Hayward as some 4th option by circumstance is absurd. People gotta stop riding with that...

The Celtics were more comfortable with Marcus Smart taking shots than counting on Hayward. Let the guy own his play.

How many Celtics games did you sit down and watch this year? 2-6 probably at most.

Personally I am taking the 4th option material from guys who have come from Celtics board who probably watched 50+ Boston games this year.

are we really down to the "do you watch games?" thing already

hayward was blowing wide open layups in the playoffs while marcus smart taking contested, horrible shots was the only thing keeping them in the game on several occasions.

and those same celtics fans won't even call out their coach for the team stagnating with several all-star point guards. they can say whatever they want about the guy but it doesn't change the fact that he fell to 4th option because he simply wasn't good enough after the injuries to keep up. if he's better than that or even what he was in utah - where joe johnson had to bail him out - then he can prove it on his own with his play.

[JMAC3]

Hayward as some 4th option by circumstance is absurd. People gotta stop riding with that...

The Celtics were more comfortable with Marcus Smart taking shots than counting on Hayward. Let the guy own his play.

How many Celtics games did you sit down and watch this year? 2-6 probably at most.

Personally I am taking the 4th option material from guys who have come from Celtics board who probably watched 50+ Boston games this year.

are we really down to the "do you watch games?" thing already

hayward was blowing wide open layups in the playoffs while marcus smart taking contested, horrible shots was the only thing keeping them in the game on several occasions.

and those same celtics fans won't even call out their coach for the team stagnating with several all-star point guards. they can say whatever they want about the guy but it doesn't change the fact that he fell to 4th option because he simply wasn't good enough after the injuries to keep up. if he's better than that or even what he was in utah - where joe johnson had to bail him out - then he can prove it on his own with his play.

Which players do you like Dynasty? Is everyone bad but the top 10 players in the league?

[DY_nasty]

How many Celtics games did you sit down and watch this year? 2-6 probably at most.

Personally I am taking the 4th option material from guys who have come from Celtics board who probably watched 50+ Boston games this year.

are we really down to the "do you watch games?" thing already

hayward was blowing wide open layups in the playoffs while marcus smart taking contested, horrible shots was the only thing keeping them in the game on several occasions.

and those same celtics fans won't even call out their coach for the team stagnating with several all-star point guards. they can say whatever they want about the guy but it doesn't change the fact that he fell to 4th option because he simply wasn't good enough after the injuries to keep up. if he's better than that or even what he was in utah - where joe johnson had to bail him out - then he can prove it on his own with his play.

Which players do you like Dynasty? Is everyone bad but the top 10 players in the league?

please don't mistake legit criticisms for baseless disdain

[Chapelchilla]

are we really down to the "do you watch games?" thing already

hayward was blowing wide open layups in the playoffs while marcus smart taking contested, horrible shots was the only thing keeping them in the game on several occasions.

and those same celtics fans won't even call out their coach for the team stagnating with several all-star point guards. they can say whatever they want about the guy but it doesn't change the fact that he fell to 4th option because he simply wasn't good enough after the injuries to keep up. if he's better than that or even what he was in utah - where joe johnson had to bail him out - then he can prove it on his own with his play.

Which players do you like Dynasty? Is everyone bad but the top 10 players in the league?

please don't mistake legit criticisms for baseless disdain

You have been going way over the top with your vitriol. That's not just "legit criticism".

[DY_nasty]

Which players do you like Dynasty? Is everyone bad but the top 10 players in the league?

please don't mistake legit criticisms for baseless disdain

You have been going way over the top with your vitriol. That's not just "legit criticism".

what vitirol lol. these mods have seen me post here long enough to know when im being toxic or not

me speaking with flowers and daises isn't going to make guys play better. and when guys do play better, i'll be the first to defend them. hell, looking through this thread i was the first guy defending graham's high turnover rate when most were saying the guy should've been perfect.

maybe stop assuming everything is a personal attack and respect that there's no hidden meaning in the posts.

[yosemiteben]

these mods have seen me post here long enough to know when im being toxic or not

[JMAC3]

I guess my point is it seems like you are very low on players like Hayward, Ball, Rozier etc...

Obviously we would all like to have the players on other teams then went top 3 or players who are coming off their rookie contracts, whose teams are matching any max offer sheet. However those players aren't available.

I just tend to look for the bright side on how a change of scenery can really impact a player.

[amcoolio]

Dy_Nasty, like many longtime hornets fans, has earned the right to be cynical... we have suffered forever. Completely don’t blame him or others. As of now we are the Cleveland Browns of basketball

[DY_nasty]

I guess my point is it seems like you are very low on players like Hayward, Ball, Rozier etc...

Obviously we would all like to have the players on other teams then went top 3 or players who are coming off their rookie contracts, whose teams are matching any max offer sheet. However those players aren't available.

I just tend to look for the bright side on how a change of scenery can really impact a player.

my point is that i get to disagree - especially when i lay out my reasoning patiently each and every time

and ffs i LIKE rozier i don't even think i hated his contract when we got him either because of the cap and the next FA classes to follow him. the guy is young, putting up solid numbers that match other high-tier guys in better situations, and he's been great for the young guys holding workouts in the offseason. for all the people saying "we need veteran leadership".... terry's already been doing it.

i've just been a fan of this team too long to let blind optimism carry me further than realistic expectations. graham showed more nights of bad shooting than pj hairston ever did with everything handed to him. me being bluntly neutral to guys that are hyped up just means i want to wait and see. you can look on the bright side all you want, but when i see something that's just wildly unreasonable, illogical, or setting up for failure i get to comment

and its not personal with any poster here or the player. its disagreement. never hurt anybody

[BigSlam]

Why are we talking about Hayward, Rozier, Smart, Hariston - pretty much everyone BUT Graham?!?!

You guys are like herding cats

Back to Tae....

With the addition of Hayward and Ball do posters expect Tae's assist numbers to go up, or go down next season?

[JMAC3]

His assists will go down, but I think he shots over 40% on deep on a few less attempts per game.

Remember how hard this team was to guard a few years ago with Kemba, Lin and Batum all running pick and rolls and coming off dribble hand offs and putting pressure on the defense from multiple angles? Vs the last two years of Kemba or Graham running pick and roll in the middle of the floor gearing up for what happens next?

Well now we have Graham, Rozier, Monk, Hayward, Ball all capable of running pick and roll, side actions, DHO's we are going to be tough to gameplan for and I think we have a bunch of guys averaging 14-18 ppg with a different guy getting off every night.

[Braggins]

Ya, I'm going with a line of like 16/3/6 on 43/38/83 shooting splits.

[SWedd523]

I guess my point is it seems like you are very low on players like Hayward, Ball, Rozier etc...

Is...is that not allowed?

I'm missing where he can't call a spade a spade?

Is it better to blow compressed sunshine up each other's booties?

Where did I put those rose colored glasses again?

[SWedd523]

Why are we talking about Hayward, Rozier, Smart, Hariston - pretty much everyone BUT Graham?!?!

You guys are like herding cats

Back to Tae....

With the addition of Hayward and Ball do posters expect Tae's assist numbers to go up, or go down next season?

So anyway, how do we think Wiseman is gonna look in San Fran? And how about Edwards spending his entire life in GA and having to move to **** Minnesota? LMAO suck it nerd

Ball can't shoot and his dad is a dingus

The earth isn't flat



Penis

[BigSlam]

Why are we talking about Hayward, Rozier, Smart, Hariston - pretty much everyone BUT Graham?!?!

You guys are like herding cats

Back to Tae....

With the addition of Hayward and Ball do posters expect Tae's assist numbers to go up, or go down next season?

So anyway, how do we think Wiseman is gonna look in San Fran? And how about Edwards spending his entire life in GA and having to move to **** Minnesota? LMAO suck it nerd

Ball can't shoot and his dad is a dingus

The earth isn't flat



Penis

I wonder how Tae would feel about all that?


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[SWedd523]

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