Sale Confirmed: The Michael Jordan Thread

[Eoghan]

Off-topic but I hate make it-take it. I refuse to play 1v1 because of this.

[Liver_Pooty]

Off-topic but I hate make it-take it. I refuse to play 1v1 because of this.

Make it take it against a dead on shooter is just stupid.

[Braggins]

I'm not into make it take it either and I have no clue why that is the default format for 1v1. Does anyone have clue how that became the way that people play 1v1 and what the reasoning behind it is?

[JDR720]

make it take it is fine if you include parameters. can only shoot X amount of times even if you make them all, no deep threes, no dunks/layups etc.

[Liver_Pooty]

make it take it is fine if you include parameters. can only shoot X amount of times even if you make them all, no deep threes, no dunks/layups etc.

Good luck with that in Rucker Park.

[They_Them_Hatin]

I love arrogance. MJ may be finally mentoring Lebron because lately he's been full of himself. The only player who MJ probably couldn't beat one on one is Kobe . MJ is one of the worst trash talkers ever, this generation is not use to the level of trash talking MJ will deliver. He will get inside their head. Kobe is the only guy who wouldn't back down to him.

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/622122565994160128[/tweet]

[JDR720]

owner power rankings,. MJ is 26

Worst Moves

Signing Lance Stephenson
Breakdown

No one will ever deny the type of player that Michael Jordan was with the Chicago Bulls throughout the 80s and 90s. Everyone is doubting his competence as the owner of the Charlotte Hornets as things have been very bad basically ever since he took over the team.

MJ has signed off on some terrible deals over the years, most notably the contract he gave to Lance Stephenson only to instantly regret it. Every time the Hornets have a high lottery pick, like in 2013, speculation immediately begins as to how Jordan and his front office will screw it all up.

There are other owners who are running their teams into the ground, but MJ has been doing it much longer and has created a special level of awful when it comes to being an owner.

His ownership legacy isn’t sealed, and the Hornets made some good moves this summer, but MJ is far ways away from being considered a good professional sports owner.

http://fansided.com/2015/07/22/nba-owners-power-rankings/6/

[yosemiteben]

That is just dumb.

[tondi123]

owner power rankings,. MJ is 26

Worst Moves

Signing Lance Stephenson
Breakdown

No one will ever deny the type of player that Michael Jordan was with the Chicago Bulls throughout the 80s and 90s. Everyone is doubting his competence as the owner of the Charlotte Hornets as things have been very bad basically ever since he took over the team.

MJ has signed off on some terrible deals over the years, most notably the contract he gave to Lance Stephenson only to instantly regret it. Every time the Hornets have a high lottery pick, like in 2013, speculation immediately begins as to how Jordan and his front office will screw it all up.

There are other owners who are running their teams into the ground, but MJ has been doing it much longer and has created a special level of awful when it comes to being an owner.

His ownership legacy isn’t sealed, and the Hornets made some good moves this summer, but MJ is far ways away from being considered a good professional sports owner.

http://fansided.com/2015/07/22/nba-owners-power-rankings/6/

This hindsight is 20/20 crap always annoys me. Just like nobody (at the time) had a problem with the Kwame Brown pick, nobody had a problem with the Lance signing last year. In fact, most people thought we had gotten a young emerging player on a great team friendly deal. In both cases the consensus was that the pick/signing was a good move. Of course, it didn't work out but for these internet jackoffs to pretend that they somehow knew these moves were going to turn out terrible at the time is revisionist history at best.

This clown says the Hornets have made some good moves this summer but you can rest assured that if they end up not working out that next year he will be in full on MJ sucks mode and will forget he ever, for even one second, made any comment to the contrary about any such "good moves".

[Braggins]

Do you guys really think Jordan isn't a terrible owner? I find that nearly unbelievable.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[yosemiteben]

Do you guys really think Jordan isn't a terrible owner? I find that nearly unbelievable.

Let's start with defining the role of an owner.

MJ has put a ton of money into the franchise and significantly contributed to getting the Hornets brand back. There's no evidence that he's been at all stodgy with his checkbook. As an owner, those are things that have to go in his positives column.

[Braggins]

Do you guys really think Jordan isn't a terrible owner? I find that nearly unbelievable.

Let's start with defining the role of an owner.

Good point. His involvement in basketball decisions has largely been disastrous imo but he does have some redeeming qualities related to non-basketball things.

[yosemiteben]

Do you guys really think Jordan isn't a terrible owner? I find that nearly unbelievable.

Let's start with defining the role of an owner.

Good point. His involvement in basketball decisions has largely been disastrous imo but he does have some redeeming qualities related to non-basketball things.

Well we have no idea of the extent of his involvement in basketball decisions, and someone outside of Charlotte who is doing a drive by ranking of every owner in the league is in no position to know that either.

That summary was about as informed as folks who say MJ hates Duke and is going out of his way to avoid Duke guys and pick up UNC guys.

[Braggins]

Let's start with defining the role of an owner.

Good point. His involvement in basketball decisions has largely been disastrous imo but he does have some redeeming qualities related to non-basketball things.

Well we have no idea of the extent of his involvement in basketball decisions, and someone outside of Charlotte who is doing a drive by ranking of every owner in the league is in no position to know that either.

That summary was about as informed as folks who say MJ hates Duke and is going out of his way to avoid Duke guys and pick up UNC guys.

Fair enough. Although, I was under the impression that in the past at least that he was pretty involved in basketball decisions, which is more what I was referring to. I could be easily be wrong about that since I didn't start closely following until the Cho era started, which according to popular narrative is when MJ became less involved in basketball decisions.

I do feel like he MJ jumped the gun by a year or two by trying to make us a win now team before we were ready, and that has led to some pretty questionable basketball decisions by the front office in general, but thats not quite the same thing as meddling in basketball decisions.

[yosemiteben]

I didn't click the article because, based on that summary, I think it's probably a worthless piece, but I would guess that other owners don't get blamed for specific signings.

What does Dan Gilbert get lauded for? Opening his massive checkbook and spending unreal amounts on that roster. No one criticizes him if Love walked this offseason.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Y'all it's fansided...they're a couple rungs below sbnation and Bleacher Report.

[Hornet Mania]

Do you guys really think Jordan isn't a terrible owner? I find that nearly unbelievable.

He's been a mixed bag, but certainly not bottom-tier like that article claims. From a management standpoint, particularly on the business/branding/marketing side he has been phenomenal. No sponsor wanted to touch the Bobcats with a ten foot pole until MJ showed up and he started improving the situation immediately. Bringing the Hornets name and history back was a layup, but he still nailed the process including the logo which is trickier than it sounds. Nostalgia makes it an easy sell overall, but it also creates the potential for massive backlash if every measly detail is not perfect.

From a basketball standpoint I think he's been okay. Nothing spectacular, nothing truly awful. If the win-now for ASG 2017 mandate is from MJ it's very short-sighted but at the same time it isn't a total **** show like what's going on in Sacrament or Brooklyn. Aside from our recent win-now bent I think he's been fine, or that most of the moves have been Higgins/Cho decisions with minimal input from ownership aside from a nod of approval. This offseason was the first one where I began to wonder if MJ was starting to lean on our basketball guys and force them in a certain direction. It's just a hunch, and mostly because it's an intersection of the business end which is MJ's specialty (ASG 2017) and the basketball side (not sucking by ASG 2017) creating a strong incentive for him to throw his weight around.

[predators]

Do you guys really think Jordan isn't a terrible owner? I find that nearly unbelievable.

I think he is better than Bob Johnson & George Shinn, but not good when compared to owners across the league. I personally think Jordan would go into the Tax if we had a real contender since he is so competitive.

*Should be noted that the majority of the reason people don't think he is good owner is due to the rumors that he meddles too much basketball operations which is pretty much impossible to confirm. Pretty much everyone is reading the tea leaves on those rumors.