Little Swaggy: The Kelly Oubre Jr Thread

[fatlever]

Correction... Oubre is a slasher who thinks he's a shooter.

If he only stuck to slasher, off ball cuts, attacking, getting FT line, and only shot 3s in corner just to keep defenses honest.... that's maybe a player profile I could live with. Essentially a better scoring Cody Martin without the defense or playmaking. It's not ideal, but could work for a winning team. That's the role any good playoff team would want from him. There isn't a team in the league looking for a one dimension chucker taking 7.5 3s per game at 30%.

Kelly could be valuable if he just played defense, stopped shooting 3s and attacked the rim with reckless abandon.

But, he thinks he's klay Thompson, so here we are.

How about Kelly, Denver 1st, 2rp for Caruso?

If we trade Terry, the last thing in the world we should do is Double Down on our mistakes of the past and resign Kelly to fill his void. The point of trading Terry is to pair lamelo with a player that better compliments him... aka, plays defense. (Yes the impossible task of finding a guard who can defend and also shoot... that's Mitchs job, not mine)

Melo/Cody backcourt would be better. Not ideal, but better, especially if we bring miles back who would pick up scoring.

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[fatlever]

If he was a 40% three-point shooter this would be an entirely different conversation. You could live with his shortcomings. Imagine the amount of gravity he would create for lamelo when his Defender actually had to stay attached to him. It's a shame, because with his long arms and amazingly quick release, his shot is almost unblockable.

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[Braggins]

Melo/Cody backcourt would be better. Not ideal, but better, especially if we bring miles back who would pick up scoring.

This is my default option if they don't get an immediate upgrade in the draft or via trade. I would honestly like to see Martin step up and be more of a leader on this team. No idea if that fits his personality type, so no issue if he doesnt, but he seems like the dude on the team that always holds himself accountable.

[fatlever]

Just hoping that knee isn't cooked.

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[JMAC3]

Guys like Burks and Caruso are perfect points of comparison to show why Oubre shouldn't be getting paid that much. They are actually good players.

Two guys that most would agree are underpaid are the perfect points of comparison. hmmmm

The reason Caruso is valuable is because he is on a cheap contract for a long time. If Caruso was making 16-17 million instead, he would be nowhere near as valuable. If you want to look at the league and find the 15 best contracts and use that as a bar of success/fair then you are going to be disappointed 90% of the time.

[JMAC3]

This thread is out of hand, y'all act like I said Kelly is the future. Pay that man 4/100 and give him Rozier role lol.

I said if we trade Rozier I would be fine giving Oubre 2/30 as a rotation wing, you know the normal price those types of guys get paid. Not eyeballing 70 players and finding two that are underpaid as comps.

If we trade Terry we are going to need scoring. Unless you think Martin is going to go from scoring 6 ppg to 16 a game or Hayward is going to play more than 40 games.

I really don't think this season is a good sample size for Kelly nor his shooting or role should be. He was having to be the go to option without Terry, LaMelo and Hayward playing to start the year. We saw how bad that slumped PJ numbers.

So yeah, if you expect a 13 million per year player to be able to shoot 18 times and have good efficiency you are going to be disappointed.

A more realistic sample is the year before with 76 games, mostly coming off the bench playing 26 mpg. Shooting 12 times per game with an efg% of 54%. That would be leading all of our players this year except centers.

[JMAC3]

Hell even now, Terry and LaMelo efficiency are **** because they are having to shoot the ball so much.

LaMelo shooting the ball 26/27 times per game is a recipe for disaster.
Terry hasn't shot less than 19 times in the last 9 games.

Is it because those guys are ball hogs and bad? Imo no, its just that we have nobody else that will shoot the ball. Now trade Rozier and just pretend we have enough guys that can score.

[fatlever]

welcome back kelly, never change
https://the-high-low.com/video/ids?ids=23EUfO

[JMAC3]

His scoring off the bench has been a welcomed sight.

JT Thor and Kai playing 36 mins and scoring 2 points on 0-4 shooting is a tough look.

[luciano-davidwesley]

welcome back kelly, never change
https://the-high-low.com/video/ids?ids=23EUfO

I think he'd read the game better in blinkers lol

[JDR720]

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[SWedd523]

Didn't they just give that award to Miles?

[GoBobs]

Here are the reasons I want to see Oubre back with the team.

1. Miles Bridges is under contract for one year. Hayward is under contract for one year. PJ is not signed yet, but he could also be on a one year deal.

2. Even if it doesn't look like we have minutes for him, somebody is going to get injured and minutes are going to open up. It is a good insurance policy in case Miller isn't ready to give you 80+ games, Hayward gets dinged at some point ect.

3. He scored 20 pts per game last year. It is possible that the experience of being pushed into a larger role has help develop his game. In 13 games after the all star break his percentages improved to 46/35/85. I want to see what he can do back in his normal role.

4. Player A: 16 pt / 5 reb / 2.5 ast / 1 blk / 1 stl / true shooting % .542
Player B: 20 pt / 5 reb / 1 ast / 0.5 blk / 1.5 stl / true shooting % .534

Spoiler:

Player B: Oubre
Player A:PJ Washington

[KembaWalker]

I'd rather watch Miller fail than watch Oubres version of "success"

[Rich4114]

I'd rather watch Miller fail than watch Oubres version of "success"

This is probably the best way to summarize it, lmao. But in all seriousness, we know Kelly can score. It's everything else that causes headaches. We already have too many defensively deficient players on this team and young guys with low basketball IQ. You can't keep running lineups of guys like that. I'll stand by my opinion on this in that for Kelly to fit on this team you need to move off of Terry. Then he works as a SG/SF off the bench to give you a scoring punch. If you have to play lineups of Kelly + Terry + God help us Bouk or Bryce... it will look similar to summer league.

[MPM]

Oubre needs to be a heat-check player off the bench. Not smart on either side of the ball so feeding him significant minutes doesn't contribute to winning bball. Several of us have mentioned this in the past - with Oubre, you bring him off the bench and if he misses his first few shots, you bench him.

The danger in bringing him back isn't Oubre himself, it's him being miscast by Clifford due to 'vet' reasons - more minutes and chances than he deserves. I'm not an Oubre fan, but as a limited-minute bench microwave player on the cheap (and it looks like he will be playing on the cheap) you could do worse.

EDIT - also, as mentioned above - if he steals any of Miller's minutes it would make my head explode.

[fatlever]

No

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[Rich4114]

EDIT - also, as mentioned above - if he steals any of Miller's minutes it would make my head explode.

Sadly, this is something we legitimately need to worry about in bringing him back. Miller needs to be thrown into the fire. Second overall pick should not be end of the bench or "developed" in Greensboro in a season we're aiming for the playoffs. Not to mention, he already shows way higher basketball IQ than most of our roster.

[Rich4114]

No

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probably just the safest option

[JMAC3]

Kelly is the nickelback of this board lol. He isn't a top 5 player on our team, but man he is far from the worst.

Ranks within team
Vorp 6th
Raptor 3rd
EPM 5th (Dunks&3s)
PER 5th
Estimated Wins - 7th (Dunks&3s)