Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

Post #341 » by **JDR720** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:05 am

The difference between Kemba and other PG's like Lawson, Holiday, Knight etc. isn't worth trading for, its just a marginal improvement IMO.

BeesWax · Post #342 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:08 am

I think with our offense it is hard to tell what anyone is right now. Kemba did better attacking the rim under Dunlap. I have a hard time saying trade Kemba when the guy running the show is so good incompetent. We could trade for Lawson and he could fail here and look just like Kemba. I want to see a real offense run before I condem anyone. At least Kemba looks like he cares unlike Al most nights.

catch20two · Post #343 » by **catch20two** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:20 am

JDR720 wrote:The difference between Kemba and other PG's like Lawson, Holiday, Knight etc. isn't worth trading for, its just a marginal improvement IMO.

That marginal improvement could make the rest of our team improve significantly. Imagine how good Zeller would be if Kemba could hit him rolling off the PnR. Imagine how good Biz could be if Kemba looked for him like Lance does and occasionally throw him alley oops. Imagine how much better MKG could be if we didn't have a PG that dribbled so much looking for his own shot. Same thing for Hendo, Hendo was okay and better than Derozan when Augustin was the PG feeding him off curl sets.

catch20two · Post #344 » by **catch20two** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:23 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:No one can realistically take up for Walkers shooting woes. Its been truly pathetic.

We're stuck with him though. So hopefully he has a hell of an offseason

We're not stuck with him. Not as long as the magical Cho is our GM. You seen what he did with a fading Stephen Jackson soon to be RFA and a injury riddled Corey Magette. Now imagine what he can do with Kemba.

Elden Payton · Post #345 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:56 am

JDR720 wrote:The difference between Kemba and other PG's like Lawson, Holiday, Knight etc. isn't worth trading for, its just a marginal improvement IMO.

Lawson is a much better PG than Kemba.

Holiday is a good PG and despite his struggles and injury is not as bad as Kemba. (I used to think he was)

Knight is meh but surprised me with the Bucks earlier this season.

Post #346 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:03 am

jdm3 wrote:Kemba did better attacking the rim under Dunlap.

Posted this in another thread but he was one of the worst in the league under Dunlap among guys that had as many attempts as he did at the rim. It's always been a major weakness for Kemba.

HornetJail · Post #347 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:09 am

yosemiteben wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Kemba did better attacking the rim under Dunlap.

Posted this in another thread but he was one of the worst in the league under Dunlap among guys that had as many attempts as he did at the rim. It's always been a major weakness for Kemba.

because teams can always pack the paint against us and this has been the case since Kemba was drafted

Post #348 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:13 am

BizGilwalker wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Kemba did better attacking the rim under Dunlap.

Posted this in another thread but he was one of the worst in the league under Dunlap among guys that had as many attempts as he did at the rim. It's always been a major weakness for Kemba.

because teams can always pack the paint against us and this has been the case since Kemba was drafted

Ok, point remains that it wasn't a strength under Dunlap and it's not just a Cliff problem.

catch20two · Post #349 » by **catch20two** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:17 am

Where I stand? Trade Kemba or trade for the SG that gave him enough spacing to become a star among his peers, Jeremy Lamb. Yea I said it, two tears in a bucket, f*ck it.

Post #350 » by **JDR720** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:21 am

Sik Infant wrote:
JDR720 wrote:The difference between Kemba and other PG's like Lawson, Holiday, Knight etc. isn't worth trading for, its just a marginal improvement IMO.

Lawson is a much better PG than Kemba.

Holiday is a good PG and despite his struggles and injury is not as bad as Kemba. (I used to think he was)

Knight is meh but surprised me with the Bucks earlier this season.

I view PG's as the least valuable position in the NBA due to the fact there are so many of them, I would rather have Kemba and the asset we would need to trade (1st round pick, Zeller, Vonleh etc.) than Lawson. and its relatively easy to find gems at the PG position like Jordan Clarkson, Patrick Beverley, Isaiah Thomas etc.

unless we're getting a surefire all-star PG, its not worth it IMO. would rather use assets to upgrade other positions like SG.

BeesWax · Post #351 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:29 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Posted this in another thread but he was one of the worst in the league under Dunlap among guys that had as many attempts as he did at the rim. It's always been a major weakness for Kemba.

because teams can always pack the paint against us and this has been the case since Kemba was drafted

Ok, point remains that it wasn't a strength under Dunlap and it's not just a Cliff problem.

He shot better from inside the arc under Dunlap. Clifford is a disaster and I refuse to blame any players until we see them play for a real coach. He kills our guys and has repeatedly.

Liver_Pooty · Post #352 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:31 am

JDR720 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
JDR720 wrote:The difference between Kemba and other PG's like Lawson, Holiday, Knight etc. isn't worth trading for, its just a marginal improvement IMO.

Lawson is a much better PG than Kemba.

Holiday is a good PG and despite his struggles and injury is not as bad as Kemba. (I used to think he was)

Knight is meh but surprised me with the Bucks earlier this season.

I view PG's as the least valuable position in the NBA due to the fact there are so many of them, I would rather have Kemba and the asset we would need to trade (1st round pick, Zeller, Vonleh etc.) than Lawson. and its relatively easy to find gems at the PG position like Jordan Clarkson, Patrick Beverley, Isaiah Thomas etc.

unless we're getting a surefire all-star PG, its not worth it IMO. would rather use assets to upgrade other positions like SG.

So do you consider the 2 guard position the most valuable because there is literally only 3 or 4 good ones? I don't like that logic.

Post #353 » by **JDR720** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:40 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
Lawson is a much better PG than Kemba.

Holiday is a good PG and despite his struggles and injury is not as bad as Kemba. (I used to think he was)

Knight is meh but surprised me with the Bucks earlier this season.

I view PG's as the least valuable position in the NBA due to the fact there are so many of them, I would rather have Kemba and the asset we would need to trade (1st round pick, Zeller, Vonleh etc.) than Lawson. and its relatively easy to find gems at the PG position like Jordan Clarkson, Patrick Beverley, Isaiah Thomas etc.

unless we're getting a surefire all-star PG, its not worth it IMO. would rather use assets to upgrade other positions like SG.

So do you consider the 2 guard position the most valuable because there is literally only 3 or 4 good ones? I don't like that logic.

i just used SG as an example, i do think we need to upgrade our SG's more than our PGs though.

HornetJail · Post #354 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:45 am

JDR720 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:I view PG's as the least valuable position in the NBA due to the fact there are so many of them, I would rather have Kemba and the asset we would need to trade (1st round pick, Zeller, Vonleh etc.) than Lawson. and its relatively easy to find gems at the PG position like Jordan Clarkson, Patrick Beverley, Isaiah Thomas etc.

unless we're getting a surefire all-star PG, its not worth it IMO. would rather use assets to upgrade other positions like SG.

So do you consider the 2 guard position the most valuable because there is literally only 3 or 4 good ones? I don't like that logic.

i just used SG as an example, i do think we need to upgrade our SG's more than our PGs though.

We absolutely have to upgrade some wing. MKG can slide in next to any perimeter scorer regardless of position SG or SF or PF. Every elite team has a great-to-elite wing shooter/scorer: Klay Thompson, Wes Matthews, Kyle Korver, Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, JJ Redick, LeBron James, Jimmy Butler... Our best wing scorer next to Kemba is... Gerald Henderson. And we wonder why our offense short circuits. If you stick Kemba in the role of Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose, or even Damian Lillard, I don't think Atlanta, Chicago, or Portland misses a beat. Portland can make up for the three-point shooting they lose, but Kemba provides a significant defensive upgrade. Guarantee Kemba outperforms current Rose in Chicago, and Teague and Kemba have been virtually the same player for like three years now. Teague's a better finisher and passer, but I think Kemba's got him beat defensively. Other than that, they're extremely similar. It's all a matter of fit. Can you imagine what Kemba would be doing right now if Klay Thompson was his running mate in the backcourt?

catch20two · Post #355 » by **catch20two** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:47 am

Eh Hendo is pretty remarkable off curl sets and a top half SG in the league.

HornetJail · Post #356 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:53 am

catch20two wrote:Eh Hendo is pretty remarkable off curl sets and a top half SG in the league.

Hendo is good but he's a limited player that won't realize his full potential till he's got lights out shooters all around him (like literally everyone else on the roster). On the whole I'm pleased with his performance this season given the circumstances, but there are easily 20 shooting guards I'd rather have in his place due to fit alone.

catch20two · Post #357 » by **catch20two** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:58 am

BizGilwalker wrote:
catch20two wrote:Eh Hendo is pretty remarkable off curl sets and a top half SG in the league.

Hendo is good but he's a limited player that won't realize his full potential till he's got lights out shooters all around him (like literally everyone else on the roster). On the whole I'm pleased with his performance this season given the circumstances, but there are easily 20 shooting guards I'd rather have in his place due to fit alone.

I agree. Our team is a cast of misfits without a wing that can confidently stretch the floor. It's awfully amazing of Cho to go so long without one. I remember Tyrus starting at SF for y'all before MKG came lmao but I didn't pay much attention to Charlotte then.

Elden Payton · Post #358 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:59 am

catch20two wrote:Eh Hendo is pretty remarkable off curl sets and a top half SG in the league.

Liver_Pooty · Post #359 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:59 am

BizGilwalker wrote:
catch20two wrote:Eh Hendo is pretty remarkable off curl sets and a top half SG in the league.

Hendo is good but he's a limited player that won't realize his full potential till he's got lights out shooters all around him (like literally everyone else on the roster). On the whole I'm pleased with his performance this season given the circumstances, but there are easily 20 shooting guards I'd rather have in his place due to fit alone.

Catch is being sarcastic as he has the past two weeks.

Liver_Pooty · Post #360 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:00 am

We can all agree we need shooting.

For the 43rd season I'm a row