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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#341 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:00 am

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GreenRiddler wrote:I actually think he defends SGs the best, he always gave Wade trouble. On offense with him and MKG....Your PG better be okay with playing without a shot creator. Batum creates shots for others not himself.


How do you honestly think Batum will do playing with a ball dominant PG? I know Lillardis fairly ball dominant, but Walker is very, very ball dominant. He doesn't know what to do without the ball in his hands.

That can be a problem, one of his best assets was being able to take pressure off of Lillard who doesn't like to handle the ball too much. Something people don't know about Dame on the outside looking in is that he really likes to play off the ball to get easy open shots and even alley-oops.

That is why I think you guys should draft Payne at 9 he is good on and off the ball and can play big mins day 1. Walker like you said isn't great off the ball.


Thank you. Just made me want Payne even more.
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#342 » by GoBobs » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:01 am

Terrible short sighted move by the front office. Batum being on a one year deal means several things have to go right for this to work out for us.

1. He has to have a bounce back year. Gerald Henderson had a better Per, Shot a better FG %, and a better 3pt % last year.

2. He has to resign with us rather then the other teams who want to sign him after this year. With the salary cap increase every team is going to have money to spend. Batum won't be restricted, he can go where ever he wants to. Resigning him could mean we will only be a successful team the next five years is he is worthy of like 20-25 million per year, basically Melo money. Does it bother anyone that his career FG% is about the same as Hendo and his career scoring average is lower

Here are Henderson's point averages for the last 4 years: 12.1, 14.0, 15.5, 15.1

Batum's point totals: 9.4, 13.0, 14.3, 13.9


Batum does rebound better, get a few more assist, have more size, and probably plays better defense. It should make us better in the short term, if Batum can bounce back for a pretty bad year. Is that upgrade over Henderson worth like 20 mil per year if we can even get him to choose us?

Who knows what Vonleh is going to be. I doubt Clifford knows anything about which players on our team are good after seeing him play Maxiel over Biz. It really doesn't matter if we keep Biz or not by the way. Jefferson will see the minutes at Center and Hawes will be the backup. Hawes can't guard the PF, that is a joke.

You would think if we were considering trading Vonleh we might have given him a legitimate shot at some minutes last year just to see what we had. If Clifford had liked the guy at all it seems like he would have found him one or two chances to earn some minutes. I think he is going to be successful. I believed in him as a draft pick and I don't believe in our coaching staff. It will be interesting to see what he does at his next stop.

Overall grade: F -This team is a joke!!!
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Post#343 » by catch20two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:02 am

GreenRiddler wrote:Chad sure, but Cho spent 1 season here. Batum will be good for you guys, you saw what Iggy did as finals MVP for the Dubs.

Yup as a backup wing. That's how I wanted to view Batum on this 1 year rental until we practically promised him the starting SG spot.
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#344 » by Braggins » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:11 am

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GreenRiddler wrote:I actually think he defends SGs the best, he always gave Wade trouble. On offense with him and MKG....Your PG better be okay with playing without a shot creator. Batum creates shots for others not himself.


How do you honestly think Batum will do playing with a ball dominant PG? I know Lillardis fairly ball dominant, but Walker is very, very ball dominant. He doesn't know what to do without the ball in his hands.

That can be a problem, one of his best assets was being able to take pressure off of Lillard who doesn't like to handle the ball too much.

I think this will be great for Kemba. He hasn't been good off-ball in the pros, but he did really well at it at Uconn. Batum is like a legit NBA version of what Lamb was for him at Uconn. We have played with basically no offensive system or ball movement the last two seasons and Kemba has been our only player capable of handling the ball. We should all be very glad that we won't have to see Kemba putting up Lebron level usage rating anymore. I still expect our offense to suck unless our coach makes major changes to our game plan, but I really do think Batum slots really nicely next to Kemba and MKG.
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#345 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:13 am

At first, I was turned off by the trade because I thought Vonleh could be our X-factor when it came to becoming a contender. Also, knowing that Batum was in his final year of his contract scared me.

After giving it more thought I am excited about the trade and new team makeup and here is why....

For one, we are better team then yesterday. We added a legit two way player who can score the ball, adds three point shooting and a plus defender who guards 1-4. Is a great compliment to Kemba and MKG because of his mix of shooting and playmaking. And he adds another versatile player to our team. Also, we picked up a solid backup wing in Lamb.

Secondly, I was a fan of the Lance Stephenson signing because it was low risk high reward, Batum is essentially a better Lance. Batum is a good passer, good rebounder, good shooter, can play both wings and be the playmaker on offense. Only major differences are that Batum is a bigger, smarter and has done it longer so it is more likely going to happen again. Lance never quite put it all together and I think Batum has for several years, excluding his injury ridden season last year.

As far as what we lost...we traded Hendo and Noah, the second being more disappointing than the former. I think most of us were ready to move from Hendo and I wish him the best in Portland where he can be looked at for his strengths not his weaknesses. However, we never truly knew what we had in Vonleh, I think most of us were optimistic he could be a good player and an upgrade to Zeller. That may have been wishful thinking tho, Vonleh was a good player at IU(watch almost every hoosier game), but he was never amazing and definitely way behind where Zeller was. He has good tools, but struggles to use them in the game consistently.

Were we just hoping Vonleh was the answer, because we had no other choices?

Kemba, Zeller, and Biz seem pretty much what they are other than improving shooting year over year. MKG is the biggest upside guy we have, but is not a Star in the making. So I think many of us fantasized about Vonleh becoming a Bosh or Aldridge. But the all the wrong signs were there, He was not playing, slipped in the draft, and looked lost. How often do future stars struggle to find any minutes their rookie years (regardless of coaching). More times than not if you have the tools then you find yourself on the floor early and often (exceptions being Dirk and Nash). The news about him having a low BBIQ is not shocking to me, he could not find playing time and he slid in the draft last year after being a top 5 prospect. I think if he was better than Zeller Clifford would have played him and Maxiel playing ahead of him may have been our way of preserving his value by keeping him an unknown commodity.

Lastly, I think Cho is building a good team for past this year as well and this is not short sighted. Hawes and Lamb are both gonna be here for a few years. We have a ton of cap space coming into next offseason between Batum, Al, and Marvins contracts. We will have plenty of cash to resign Batum if he plays well and proves to be a valuable asset in the future. If not we still have a huge amount of capspace to sign other targets. However, it is usually easier to resign a free agent then to pluck him from his current team. I think trading for Batum gives us the inside lane in resigning him.

I think in conclusion Cho did a great job cashing in on an unknown prospect and a player he did not want to opt in exchange for a guy who when healthy is an all-star caliber player coming off a bad year. Batum is a great fit for us with his versatility, combo of shooting and passing, and he gives us a legit starter. I am excited for what tomorrow brings as far as more trades or seeing what we do with our draft pick.
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#346 » by 8miles » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:16 am

GoBobs wrote:Terrible short sighted move by the front office. Batum being on a one year deal means several things have to go right for this to work out for us.

1. He has to have a bounce back year. Gerald Henderson had a better Per, Shot a better FG %, and a better 3pt % last year.

2. He has to resign with us rather then the other teams who want to sign him after this year. With the salary cap increase every team is going to have money to spend. Batum won't be restricted, he can go where ever he wants to. Resigning him could mean we will only be a successful team the next five years is he is worthy of like 20-25 million per year, basically Melo money. Does it bother anyone that his career FG% is about the same as Hendo and his career scoring average is lower

Here are Henderson's point averages for the last 4 years: 12.1, 14.0, 15.5, 15.1

Batum's point totals: 9.4, 13.0, 14.3, 13.9


Batum does rebound better, get a few more assist, have more size, and probably plays better defense. It should make us better in the short term, if Batum can bounce back for a pretty bad year. Is that upgrade over Henderson worth like 20 mil per year if we can even get him to choose us?

Who knows what Vonleh is going to be. I doubt Clifford knows anything about which players on our team are good after seeing him play Maxiel over Biz. It really doesn't matter if we keep Biz or not by the way. Jefferson will see the minutes at Center and Hawes will be the backup. Hawes can't guard the PF, that is a joke.

You would think if we were considering trading Vonleh we might have given him a legitimate shot at some minutes last year just to see what we had. If Clifford had liked the guy at all it seems like he would have found him one or two chances to earn some minutes. I think he is going to be successful. I believed in him as a draft pick and I don't believe in our coaching staff. It will be interesting to see what he does at his next stop.

Overall grade: F -This team is a joke!!!


Yeah hate to tell you but if you think Henderson is even close to being a better shooter than Batum you are down right out of your mind. Also keep in mind Batum played on a team with Aldridge, Lillard and Wesley Matthews. I guarantee you that Henderson doesn't average double figures this year. Batum is a must better facilitator, rebounder and defender than Henderson and a much much better 3pt shooter (disregard this last year). Step off the ledge man
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#347 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:20 am

JMAC3 wrote:At first, I was turned off by the trade because I thought Vonleh could be our X-factor when it came to becoming a contender. Also, knowing that Batum was in his final year of his contract scared me.

After giving it more thought I am excited about the trade and new team makeup and here is why....

For one, we are better team then yesterday. We added a legit two way player who can score the ball, adds three point shooting and a plus defender who guards 1-4. Is a great compliment to Kemba and MKG because of his mix of shooting and playmaking. And he adds another versatile player to our team. Also, we picked up a solid backup wing in Lamb.

Secondly, I was a fan of the Lance Stephenson signing because it was low risk high reward, Batum is essentially a better Lance. Batum is a good passer, good rebounder, good shooter, can play both wings and be the playmaker on offense. Only major differences are that Batum is a bigger, smarter and has done it longer so it is more likely going to happen again. Lance never quite put it all together and I think Batum has for several years, excluding his injury ridden season last year.

As far as what we lost...we traded Hendo and Noah, the second being more disappointing than the former. I think most of us were ready to move from Hendo and I wish him the best in Portland where he can be looked at for his strengths not his weaknesses. However, we never truly knew what we had in Vonleh, I think most of us were optimistic he could be a good player and an upgrade to Zeller. That may have been wishful thinking tho, Vonleh was a good player at IU(watch almost every hoosier game), but he was never amazing and definitely way behind where Zeller was. He has good tools, but struggles to use them in the game consistently.

Were we just hoping Vonleh was the answer, because we had no other choices?

Kemba, Zeller, and Biz seem pretty much what they are other than improving shooting year over year. MKG is the biggest upside guy we have, but is not a Star in the making. So I think many of us fantasized about Vonleh becoming a Bosh or Aldridge. But the all the wrong signs were there, He was not playing, slipped in the draft, and looked lost. How often do future stars struggle to find any minutes their rookie years (regardless of coaching). More times than not if you have the tools then you find yourself on the floor early and often (exceptions being Dirk and Nash). The news about him having a low BBIQ is not shocking to me, he could not find playing time and he slid in the draft last year after being a top 5 prospect. I think if he was better than Zeller Clifford would have played him and Maxiel playing ahead of him may have been our way of preserving his value by keeping him an unknown commodity.

Lastly, I think Cho is building a good team for past this year as well and this is not short sighted. Hawes and Lamb are both gonna be here for a few years. We have a ton of cap space coming into next offseason between Batum, Al, and Marvins contracts. We will have plenty of cash to resign Batum if he plays well and proves to be a valuable asset in the future. If not we still have a huge amount of capspace to sign other targets. However, it is usually easier to resign a free agent then to pluck him from his current team. I think trading for Batum gives us the inside lane in resigning him.

I think in conclusion Cho did a great job cashing in on an unknown prospect and a player he did not want to opt in exchange for a guy who when healthy is an all-star caliber player coming off a bad year. Batum is a great fit for us with his versatility, combo of shooting and passing, and he gives us a legit starter. I am excited for what tomorrow brings as far as more trades or seeing what we do with our draft pick.


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Post#348 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:22 am

GoBobs wrote:Terrible short sighted move by the front office. Batum being on a one year deal means several things have to go right for this to work out for us.

1. He has to have a bounce back year. Gerald Henderson had a better Per, Shot a better FG %, and a better 3pt % last year.

2. He has to resign with us rather then the other teams who want to sign him after this year. With the salary cap increase every team is going to have money to spend. Batum won't be restricted, he can go where ever he wants to. Resigning him could mean we will only be a successful team the next five years is he is worthy of like 20-25 million per year, basically Melo money. Does it bother anyone that his career FG% is about the same as Hendo and his career scoring average is lower

Here are Henderson's point averages for the last 4 years: 12.1, 14.0, 15.5, 15.1

Batum's point totals: 9.4, 13.0, 14.3, 13.9


Batum does rebound better, get a few more assist, have more size, and probably plays better defense. It should make us better in the short term, if Batum can bounce back for a pretty bad year. Is that upgrade over Henderson worth like 20 mil per year if we can even get him to choose us?

Who knows what Vonleh is going to be. I doubt Clifford knows anything about which players on our team are good after seeing him play Maxiel over Biz. It really doesn't matter if we keep Biz or not by the way. Jefferson will see the minutes at Center and Hawes will be the backup. Hawes can't guard the PF, that is a joke.

You would think if we were considering trading Vonleh we might have given him a legitimate shot at some minutes last year just to see what we had. If Clifford had liked the guy at all it seems like he would have found him one or two chances to earn some minutes. I think he is going to be successful. I believed in him as a draft pick and I don't believe in our coaching staff. It will be interesting to see what he does at his next stop.

Overall grade: F -This team is a joke!!!


Batum is so much better than Henderson its insane. If we were to offer Portland Henderson for Batum straight up, regardless the salaries they would hang up and black ball us for offering something so stupid. There is a reason why Batum gets paid well, and Henderson gets 6 million.
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Post#349 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:23 am

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GreenRiddler wrote:Chad sure, but Cho spent 1 season here. Batum will be good for you guys, you saw what Iggy did as finals MVP for the Dubs.

Yup as a backup wing. That's how I wanted to view Batum on this 1 year rental until we practically promised him the starting SG spot.


This logic makes no sense... Batum is the best Wing on the roster right now (maybe MKG). However, he is miles better than Daniels, PJ and Lamb...He is a guy who has started for 7 straight years on a playoff team in the West. A threat to go for a triple double, 37.5% three point shooter (excluding last year, 36.3 including) on nearly 5 attempts a game, and one of the better wing defenders in the game. I think it is a sign of respect to say he is a starter on this team until somebody else proves otherwise.

Under your logic, Kemba isn't our starting PG because Brian Roberts may outplay him in training camp. Maybe Troy Daniels will be our starting PF because he may hit a growth spurt this offseason and be the stretch 4 we have been looking for......

Quit being blinded by Jeremy Lamb love....
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Post#350 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:23 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:
How do you honestly think Batum will do playing with a ball dominant PG? I know Lillardis fairly ball dominant, but Walker is very, very ball dominant. He doesn't know what to do without the ball in his hands.

That can be a problem, one of his best assets was being able to take pressure off of Lillard who doesn't like to handle the ball too much.

I think this will be great for Kemba. He hasn't been good off-ball in the pros, but he did really well at it at Uconn. Batum is like a legit NBA version of what Lamb was for him at Uconn. We have played with basically no offensive system or ball movement the last two seasons and Kemba has been our only player capable of handling the ball. We should all be very glad that we won't have to see Kemba putting up Lebron level usage rating anymore. I still expect our offense to suck unless our coach makes major changes to our game plan, but I really do think Batum slots really nicely next to Kemba and MKG.


Better be great for Kemba. This is his last chance.
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Post#351 » by cedric76 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:56 am

Batum is a great player, you 'll love him once healthy
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Post#352 » by catch20two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:00 am

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catch20two wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:Chad sure, but Cho spent 1 season here. Batum will be good for you guys, you saw what Iggy did as finals MVP for the Dubs.

Yup as a backup wing. That's how I wanted to view Batum on this 1 year rental until we practically promised him the starting SG spot.


This logic makes no sense... Batum is the best Wing on the roster right now (maybe MKG). However, he is miles better than Daniels, PJ and Lamb...He is a guy who has started for 7 straight years on a playoff team in the West. A threat to go for a triple double, 37.5% three point shooter (excluding last year, 36.3 including) on nearly 5 attempts a game, and one of the better wing defenders in the game. I think it is a sign of respect to say he is a starter on this team until somebody else proves otherwise.

Under your logic, Kemba isn't our starting PG because Brian Roberts may outplay him in training camp. Maybe Troy Daniels will be our starting PF because he may hit a growth spurt this offseason and be the stretch 4 we have been looking for......

Quit being blinded by Jeremy Lamb love....

You need to stop being blind to the possibility that Batum might be over-the-hill and never started at SG. Funny how people love to talk percentages until it's their guy. Batum shot and played like trash last year. I'm not saying Lamb nor Batum should start. Maybe Hairston. I just don't know about no Batum starting at SG.
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Post#353 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:02 am

catch20two wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
catch20two wrote:Yup as a backup wing. That's how I wanted to view Batum on this 1 year rental until we practically promised him the starting SG spot.


This logic makes no sense... Batum is the best Wing on the roster right now (maybe MKG). However, he is miles better than Daniels, PJ and Lamb...He is a guy who has started for 7 straight years on a playoff team in the West. A threat to go for a triple double, 37.5% three point shooter (excluding last year, 36.3 including) on nearly 5 attempts a game, and one of the better wing defenders in the game. I think it is a sign of respect to say he is a starter on this team until somebody else proves otherwise.

Under your logic, Kemba isn't our starting PG because Brian Roberts may outplay him in training camp. Maybe Troy Daniels will be our starting PF because he may hit a growth spurt this offseason and be the stretch 4 we have been looking for......

Quit being blinded by Jeremy Lamb love....

You need to stop being blind to the possibility that Batum might be over-the-hill and never started at SG. Funny how people love to talk percentages until it's their guy. Batum shot and played like trash last year. I'm not saying Lamb nor Batum should start. Maybe Hairston. I just don't know about no Batum starting at SG.


I stopped reading at over the hill. Hes 26 freaking years old. And he has started at the 2 guard a ton. Why the hell would you even mention Hairston and Lamb in the same sentence as Batum as starting? Lol. Its not even close.

Batum shot as good as Hairston with a torn ligament in his shooting wrist. Not sure what Lamb shot, but he has a poor work ethic so who really cares.
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Post#354 » by catch20two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:02 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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GreenRiddler wrote:That can be a problem, one of his best assets was being able to take pressure off of Lillard who doesn't like to handle the ball too much.

I think this will be great for Kemba. He hasn't been good off-ball in the pros, but he did really well at it at Uconn. Batum is like a legit NBA version of what Lamb was for him at Uconn. We have played with basically no offensive system or ball movement the last two seasons and Kemba has been our only player capable of handling the ball. We should all be very glad that we won't have to see Kemba putting up Lebron level usage rating anymore. I still expect our offense to suck unless our coach makes major changes to our game plan, but I really do think Batum slots really nicely next to Kemba and MKG.


Better be great for Kemba. This is his last chance.

Batum at SG isn't ideal. Hell he's gun shy and is just as inconsistent of a scorer as Hendo was and prolly a lesser scorer when you need a bucket. I swore this trade was for him to be a backup SF and we were still gonna draft a SG like Booker.
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Post#355 » by catch20two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:04 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
This logic makes no sense... Batum is the best Wing on the roster right now (maybe MKG). However, he is miles better than Daniels, PJ and Lamb...He is a guy who has started for 7 straight years on a playoff team in the West. A threat to go for a triple double, 37.5% three point shooter (excluding last year, 36.3 including) on nearly 5 attempts a game, and one of the better wing defenders in the game. I think it is a sign of respect to say he is a starter on this team until somebody else proves otherwise.

Under your logic, Kemba isn't our starting PG because Brian Roberts may outplay him in training camp. Maybe Troy Daniels will be our starting PF because he may hit a growth spurt this offseason and be the stretch 4 we have been looking for......

Quit being blinded by Jeremy Lamb love....

You need to stop being blind to the possibility that Batum might be over-the-hill and never started at SG. Funny how people love to talk percentages until it's their guy. Batum shot and played like trash last year. I'm not saying Lamb nor Batum should start. Maybe Hairston. I just don't know about no Batum starting at SG.


I stopped reading at over the hill. Hes 26 freaking years old. And he has started at the 2 guard a ton. Why the hell would you even mention Hairston and Lamb in the same sentence as Batum as starting? Lol. Its not even close.

Batum is a overrated role player based on the potential people thought he had fresh off a horrid year averaging about 10pts per 36. Come on, wake the hell up.
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Post#356 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:04 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Braggins wrote:I think this will be great for Kemba. He hasn't been good off-ball in the pros, but he did really well at it at Uconn. Batum is like a legit NBA version of what Lamb was for him at Uconn. We have played with basically no offensive system or ball movement the last two seasons and Kemba has been our only player capable of handling the ball. We should all be very glad that we won't have to see Kemba putting up Lebron level usage rating anymore. I still expect our offense to suck unless our coach makes major changes to our game plan, but I really do think Batum slots really nicely next to Kemba and MKG.


Better be great for Kemba. This is his last chance.

Batum at SG isn't ideal. Hell he's gun shy and is just as inconsistent of a scorer as Hendo was and prolly a lesser scorer when you need a bucket. I swore this trade was for him to be a backup SF and we were still gonna draft a SG like Booker.


Yeah, we traded Vonleh and Henderson for a backup SF.

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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#357 » by catch20two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:05 am

Batum ain't no better than per se Jeff Green and now people wanna act like he's some perfect ideal SG. FOH lol
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#358 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:06 am

catch20two wrote:
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catch20two wrote:You need to stop being blind to the possibility that Batum might be over-the-hill and never started at SG. Funny how people love to talk percentages until it's their guy. Batum shot and played like trash last year. I'm not saying Lamb nor Batum should start. Maybe Hairston. I just don't know about no Batum starting at SG.


I stopped reading at over the hill. Hes 26 freaking years old. And he has started at the 2 guard a ton. Why the hell would you even mention Hairston and Lamb in the same sentence as Batum as starting? Lol. Its not even close.

Batum is a overrated role player based on the potential people thought he had fresh off a horrid year averaging about 10pts per 36. Come on, wake the hell up.


lol. Not even going to go back and forth with you. We have both stated our positions on the matter, and thats it.

Edit: We've done this time and time before, and all we do is repeat ourselves, so we will just agree to disagree, and respect each others opinions.
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#359 » by catch20two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:10 am

10pts per 36 shooting 40% FG and 32% 3Pt. Lol. Prolly had a worser TS% and eFG than Kemba and people wanna act like he's some godsend at SG. Let that sink or sync in.
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Re: Woj: Batum to Charlotte, Vonleh + Gerald to Portland 

Post#360 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:35 am

I guess this basically means that we had a year with Vonleh and the organization has deemed him to be a bad learner. We've all seen the physical gifts. This probably has a lot to do with the way he couldn't get playing time and the reports on him having a hard time at learning plays.

Really, really hope that it turns out to be true and he doesn't put it all together (for the sake of the franchise, obviously, I don't wish anything bad to the kid). Otherwise this is a very steep price for Batum. A high-ceiling steal at the 9th pick only on his second rookie contract year + a rotation player for an expiring would suggest that the player on the expiring is one heck of a player.
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