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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#341 » by amcoolio » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:01 am

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amcoolio wrote:Toronto is expected to flip Dragic. We need to get him. He's a great locker room presence and would be a great backup PG

Dragic makes 18m. We only have 13m.


The Twins and Richards would get us there :lol:
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#342 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:03 am

We're building something special while staying more than competitive currently ( I think we're a playoff team).
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#343 » by JDR720 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:06 am

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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#344 » by euphorbus » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:11 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:We're building something special while staying more than competitive currently ( I think we're a playoff team).


We have little quality depth, unless you want to count on the rookies. Starters look very good, though.

It's still the first day of free agency, so I expect more moves to come.
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Post#345 » by SWedd523 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:16 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:We're building something special while staying more than competitive currently ( I think we're a playoff team).


We have little quality depth, unless you want to count on the rookies. Starters look very good, though.

It's still the first day of free agency, so I expect more moves to come.

That's what happens when roughly 30% of your salary cap goes to Gordon Hayward and the ghost of Nic Batum
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#346 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:16 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:We're building something special while staying more than competitive currently ( I think we're a playoff team).


We have little quality depth, unless you want to count on the rookies. Starters look very good, though.

It's still the first day of free agency, so I expect more moves to come.


Hate to say it, but moving on from Zeller and Biyombo alone might be addition by subtraction. Would like to see a solid wing and backup PG signed of course. Guess we'll see.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#347 » by JDR720 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:24 am

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Post#348 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:47 am

JDR720 wrote:The only player available around 13m that I'd sign is Nunn. And that's about a 5% chance that Nunn would come here, and Miami wouldn't match.

Markannan would be cool, but I don't think he'd accept a bench role. Although that's probably not a big deal, he'd split time with PJ either way.

I do agree with fats though. As of now, I don't have us in the playoffs. We lost 4 rotation players, and replaced 2 of them with a rookie and Plumlee. I don't think Kai and Thor are rotation quality yet, they're too raw.

Internal improvement is our goal for this upcoming season. Playoffs are a bonus.

Are you insinuating Biz is a rotation player? The fact he got minutes does not mean he actually deserved any.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#349 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:48 am

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What a great agent name.

The brother of Max Power.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#350 » by fatlever » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:52 am

Our bench is razor-thin filled with unproven young players and potentially rookies who have no business seeing the floor on a team trying to make the playoffs. We have no backup point guard, we have no backup small forward and we have no backup center who's played more than two games. No matter how I feel about our draft this year, none of those guys are going to come in this year and outproduce the players who just left. That's a fact. We may be in a better place for building Youth and not ending the tank too early, which I think we can all agree is a good thing. But in terms of chasing playoff spots this all season has been really bad. The hope is that all of our young players take a big leap forward and a Gordon can stay healthy all season and that Mason is such a better fit for the roster that adds several wins. I guess all of those things could still potentially happen, and we get young players playing time and we got a future Pick for Graham...wins all around.

But the goal of this franchise from the eyes of the owner in the front office is to make the playoffs and compete for the second round. I don't want to waste the best years of Gordon and Terry and I also don't want melo to be in a situation where we are losing three or four years into his career and he gets frustrated and tries to leave.



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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#351 » by fatlever » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:54 am

Biz may not be a rotation player, but he was the locker room leader one of the few veteran leaders we had on the team. There is value in that off the court.



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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#352 » by JDR720 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 4:59 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Are you insinuating Biz is a rotation player? The fact he got minutes does not mean he actually deserved any.

He was for us. That doesn't mean he is a huge loss on the court, but he still needs to be replaced. He was a good locker room guy too. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back.

As of now, we have no clear backup PG, backup C or backup SF. Slim pickings are left as free agents. Over half our team are either rookies or largely unproven players. This roster looks like a rebuilding roster, not a playoff roster. Which I'm fine with, but Ball isn't going to stick around like Kemba did for a while on a bad team. We need some of those unproven guys to prove themselves and sign a couple Plumlee-esque stopgaps in the meantime.
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Post#353 » by Emhoward » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:19 am

I love our off season moves -- High upside draft picks that will raise our ceiling past the 2nd round (if they hit) -- cap flexibility (if we stand pat may be able to absorb a contract for a draft pick or something at the trade deadline) --

I just don't think Graham, Monk, Zeller, and Biz is the difference between missing the playoffs and being a lottery team vs making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Making it to the 2nd round depends on Lamelo's 2nd year leap, and Gordo being healthy. If neither of those things happen, then we wouldn't be making it to the 2nd round even if we kept the four we lost.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#354 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:25 am

Emhoward wrote:I love our off season moves -- High upside draft picks that will raise our ceiling past the 2nd round (if they hit) -- cap flexibility (if we stand pat may be able to absorb a contract for a draft pick or something at the trade deadline) --

I just don't think Graham, Monk, Zeller, and Biz is the difference between missing the playoffs and being a lottery teams vs making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Making it to the 2nd round depends on Lamelo's 2nd year leap, and Gordo being healthy. If neither of those things happen, then we wouldn't be making it to the 2nd round even if we kept the four we lost.


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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#355 » by Diop » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:12 am

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It's like settling for the ugly chick because you know she puts out instead of cutting bait and looking for something better.


I still think that is a solid strategy.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#356 » by Diop » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:17 am

fatlever wrote:Our bench is razor-thin filled with unproven young players and potentially rookies who have no business seeing the floor on a team trying to make the playoffs. We have no backup point guard, we have no backup small forward and we have no backup center who's played more than two games. No matter how I feel about our draft this year, none of those guys are going to come in this year and outproduce the players who just left. That's a fact. We may be in a better place for building Youth and not ending the tank too early, which I think we can all agree is a good thing. But in terms of chasing playoff spots this all season has been really bad. The hope is that all of our young players take a big leap forward and a Gordon can stay healthy all season and that Mason is such a better fit for the roster that adds several wins. I guess all of those things could still potentially happen, and we get young players playing time and we got a future Pick for Graham...wins all around.

But the goal of this franchise from the eyes of the owner in the front office is to make the playoffs and compete for the second round. I don't want to waste the best years of Gordon and Terry and I also don't want pomelo to be in a situation where we are losing three or four years into his career and he gets frustrated and tries to leave.



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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#357 » by KingCat » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:47 am

With the way free agency has kicked off, I don't think we make the playoffs next season. I think I'm OK with that. Our next big move should be offloading Terry for some young talent/picks at some point next season. Don't wanna lose Terry for nothing and I especially don't want to pay him 25 million a year especially when we have young guards in Melo and Bouknight that I think will be our long term back court.

Not saying we should be tanking, but also don't wanna pigeon hole ourselves into a 9th seed like we did with the Kemba years.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#358 » by Braggins » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:56 am

This team needs guard depth and bench shooting.

Three possibilities that should be cheap - last season breakdown

mpg - pts*/reb*/ast*/stl*/blk*/to* - fg%/3pt%(attempts*)/ft%(attempts*)
* - per36 minutes

Player A - 6'2" - 26 years old
29.5 - 17.8/3.9/3.2/1.1/0.3/1.7 - 48.5/38.1(7.0)/93.3(1.3)

Player B - 6'1" - 33 years old
24.8 - 15.7/2.5/3.5/0.9/0.1/1.4 - 41.2/37.5(9.2)/91.0(1.7)

Player C - 6'3" - 23 years old
20.9 - 20.1/4.1/3.6/0.8/0.2/2.3 - 43.4/40.1(8.7)/81.9(3.0)

Spoiler:
A - Kendrick Nunn
B - Patty Mills
C - Malik Monk

If Nunn/Mills are the kind of guys they're looking at they might as well just resign Monk. He should cost similarly and might be available for one of the mini cap exceptions.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency 

Post#359 » by Hornet Mania » Tue Aug 3, 2021 10:06 am

I wonder if the Kings might give us Delon Wright for cheap, or send us a 2nd just to dump his salary so they can make another move? They've got three better point guards that were all drafted in the lotto, doesn't seem like they have room for him anymore.

Maybe we could facilitate the LAL/Hield trade by S&T'ing someone else for Wright's expiring deal.
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Post#360 » by bravor » Tue Aug 3, 2021 10:19 am

Considering the contracts that are being signed currently (esp. Young's extension), it's more than recommanded not to lock into bad contracts till Ball signs his extension.

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