The Marvin Gaye Williams Thread

[catch20two]

We just paid the forward version of Hendo because of his extreme averageness but worst defense more money than Hendo. Hip hip hooray!

[Diop]

Good read from a Jazz fan perspective: http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/ ... -uncertain

Reading the comments, it read like Jazz fans didn't care much for his presence as for he was mediocre in every attribute except for being a bad defender. Even the writer 'tried' to make Marvin Williams seem tolerable while openly admitting being a "unashamed Marvin Williams fan" that doesn't have high hopes for him on the Jazz

The comments on the jazz board were all positive. They liked him overall, very solid contributor

[mrknowitall215]

Good read from a Jazz fan perspective: http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/ ... -uncertain

Reading the comments, it read like Jazz fans didn't care much for his presence as for he was mediocre in every attribute except for being a bad defender. Even the writer 'tried' to make Marvin Williams seem tolerable while openly admitting being a "unashamed Marvin Williams fan" that doesn't have high hopes for him on the Jazz

The comments on the jazz board were all positive. They liked him overall, very solid contributor

All I read was "high character" and "solid but not good at anything" on the Jazz board. The most intriguing comment was "once you get out of the trap of wanting more out of him, Marvin's value becomes very obvious." Too bad I won't be getting out of that trap when he's one of the top paid players on the team. Hopefully Clifford doesn't play him much over 20 minutes per game so I don't have to be disgusted

[Snidely FC]

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[UNCNYC]

I like this signing a lot. Next year we can trade his expiring contract and a first for some decent player if we want too, and we get to rent him and see how he fits and bring Vonleh along slowly

[yosemiteben]

Why are we all assuming he starts over Zeller? I think it's more likely he's first off the bench for the SF / PF slot.

[Pryftan]

When you're overpaying the guy by 2.4m over 2 seasons does it matter?

If Miami and San Antonio, both offered him the MLE, would he accept the same amount to play in Charlotte?

I highly doubt it, we've always had to pay a premium to attract FA's, and until we have some form of consistent success, we'll continue having to do so.

Also, it's not proven that this is a bad move yet, he'll have to actually play some minutes before we know either way.

My point is people are upset about the financial decision not the basketball decision. Your post quibbled about people complaining about the financial decision then proceeded to discuss the basketball decision. Most people would agree Williams would be a good addition to the team but not at any price. You think $7m is not enough of an overpay to complain about. Others, including myself, disagree. Don't know where you got $2.4m from. No indications any team offered him the MLE. No indications any team offered him anything. He's a third or fourth tier free agent you sign after either (1) all the upper tiers are settled or (2) you can get him on a very fair deal. Neither was true in our case. Again, basketball decision was fine. Overall management decision is questionable at best.

[Elden Payton]

When you're overpaying the guy by 2.4m over 2 seasons does it matter?

If Miami and San Antonio, both offered him the MLE, would he accept the same amount to play in Charlotte?

I highly doubt it, we've always had to pay a premium to attract FA's, and until we have some form of consistent success, we'll continue having to do so.

Also, it's not proven that this is a bad move yet, he'll have to actually play some minutes before we know either way.

My point is people are upset about the financial decision not the basketball decision. Your post quibbled about people complaining about the financial decision then proceeded to discuss the basketball decision. Most people would agree Williams would be a good addition to the team but not at any price. You think $7m is not enough of an overpay to complain about. Others, including myself, disagree. Don't know where you got $2.4m from. No indications any team offered him the MLE. No indications any team offered him anything. He's a third or fourth tier free agent you sign after either (1) all the upper tiers are settled or (2) you can get him on a very fair deal. Neither was true in our case. Again, basketball decision was fine. Overall management decision is questionable at best.

It's both really.

People are upset we "overpaid" Marvin and yes, he is slightly overpaid.

The reality is, that we made a financial decision based on a basketball decision, as every financial decision made in the NBA is based on.

Not everyone here thinks this is a good basketball decision, I'm not sure you've read this whole thread?

Multiple teams were reported to be interested in Marv, it is highly unlikely imo, that he would not have received the MLE, which is where the 2.4m figure comes from.

You're allowed to disagree.

I like what management has done with this deal personally.

It makes sense from a basketball perspective imo.

Financially it has minimal implications being such a short term deal.

This is a win now move, and we are in win now mode, we couldn't let two prospects man the PF position between them.

[LamarMatic7]

Why are we all assuming he starts over Zeller? I think it's more likely he's first off the bench for the SF / PF slot.

Could be. We all know that Clifford will close out games with him though.

[Pryftan]

Fair enough. I was hoping for a short term deal for Andray Blatche or Drew Gooden (underrated IMO) or perhaps even score Elton Brand or Glen Davis to provide minutes at the 4.

[Joest2003]

I watch league pass religiously and I literally never heard of this guy, not a good sign. I do have trust in Cho for right now thought so im cool with it. Will this signing have any effect on Lance chances of coming here?

[Elden Payton]

Fair enough. I was hoping for a short term deal for Andray Blatche or Drew Gooden (underrated IMO) or perhaps even score Elton Brand or Glen Davis to provide minutes at the 4.

We'll most likely be able to pick up Gooden or Brand for the vet min, after the season starts.

Blatche would be a good signing imo, as long as he behaves himself, unfortunately for us, he's on record as wanting the full MLE which we don't have.

I haven't heard anything about Big Baby, but I assume he's going to want to play for a contender.

Welcome to the board by the way!

[Elden Payton]

I watch league pass religiously and I literally never heard of this guy, not a good sign. I do have trust in Cho for right now thought so im cool with it. Will this signing have any effect on Lance chances of coming here?

He's Marvin Gaye Williams from Bremerton in Seattle.

UNC championship player in 05 as a frosh.

#2 pick in the 2005 draft.

1.Bogut
2.M.Williams
3.D.Williams
4.Paul
5.Felton


This is why people don't like him.

I've always been a fan myself.

[Joest2003]

I watch league pass religiously and I literally never heard of this guy, not a good sign. I do have trust in Cho for right now thought so im cool with it. Will this signing have any effect on Lance chances of coming here?

He's Marvin Gaye Williams from Bremerton in Seattle.

UNC championship player in 05 as a frosh.

#2 pick in the 2005 draft.

1.Bogut
2.M.Williams
3.D.Williams
4.Paul
5.Felton


This is why people don't like him.

I've always been a fan myself.

DAMMM he was #2 overall?? Thats crazy. I just cant help but think were overpaying him, If were offering him 7 mill a year what is Kemba going to demand next summer? That worries me a little bit.

[HornetJail]

I watch league pass religiously and I literally never heard of this guy, not a good sign. I do have trust in Cho for right now thought so im cool with it. Will this signing have any effect on Lance chances of coming here?

He's Marvin Gaye Williams from Bremerton in Seattle.

UNC championship player in 05 as a frosh.

#2 pick in the 2005 draft.

1.Bogut
2.M.Williams
3.D.Williams
4.Paul
5.Felton


This is why people don't like him.

I've always been a fan myself.

I knew he was serviceable, and have actually been interested in him in the past, but not enough to offer him 7M one year after tearing his achillies

[fatlever]

@sik - why are you a fan of marvin? the guy is the definition of vanilla, average, mediocre, forgettable.

i dont think anybody hates marvin, but i am shocked to find out people root for him. what has he ever done to be worthy of admiration (speaking from an on the court standpoint, because i have a good feeling he is probably a fantastic guy in the locker room)?

marvin is basically the same player he was 9 year ago. he never improved. he never worked on his game. he never made the concerted effort to refine his body and skills to become either a small forward or a power forward. if he wanted to become a small forward he should have developed his dribbling passing and shooting (only very recently has he shown a small improvement in 3pt shooting). if he wanted to become a power forward he should have added strength and worked on his rebounding. he is a miserable rebounder for a power forward and barely an average rebounder for a small forward.

the comparisons to a forward version of gerald henderson are spot on, only if henderson was older and his body was breaking down due to injuries and he didnt have a nasty streak.

and all that being said, marvin is a OK player to have on your roster because he is able to play both forward spots, he can shoot a little and he seems to be a great teammate. buy holy crap, you dont give that guy 7 **** million a season.

at best marvin should be making 4 mil.

[DY_nasty]

henderson comparisons are weird because henderson has been constantly asked to play out of his real skillset for the past 3 years.

also, marvin has improved - just not in some massive way. he's a much better defender than he was when he came into the league, filled out his frame, and most of all doesn't do crazy stuff when he gets the ball. he's a coaches best friend. if he's taking an ill-advised shot, its because the previous two passes were bad and he never should've been in that position.

in the market where ben gordon and jodie meeks are getting paid, there's no way that williams was getting 4 mil. its just how it is. we maybe could've landed him with 6 - but we definitely could've with 7.

I watch league pass religiously and I literally never heard of this guy, not a good sign. I do have trust in Cho for right now thought so im cool with it. Will this signing have any effect on Lance chances of coming here?

He's Marvin Gaye Williams from Bremerton in Seattle.

UNC championship player in 05 as a frosh.

#2 pick in the 2005 draft.

1.Bogut
2.M.Williams
3.D.Williams
4.Paul
5.Felton


This is why people don't like him.

I've always been a fan myself.

Yeah. I mean, its weird... Like everyone is suddenly an Atlanta fan when discussing the dude. He didn't let anyone down other than them.

I remember when this board flipped a table over Kwame Brown and sure enough people were begging for him back when his time was up. Williams is overpaid, but the market demands it. And with Williams being a guy who'd obviously be targeted by several teams' MLE, 7 mil is the best way to guarantee that we get who we want in this case. 2 year deal means he's out right before the new salary cap blows up. We'd have to spend the money anyways. A good catchall SF/PF that plays within himself and hits the 3 with a decent % is aite in this case.

[fatlever]

we signed kwame for a 1 year, 1.3 mil deal. nobody was mad at that deal.

[DY_nasty]

we signed kwame for a 1 year, 1.3 mil deal. nobody was mad at that deal.

people were mad at the sheer fact that kwame brown was kwame brown in the same way that people are mad at williams for being williams.

the contract, sure - even though its just two years, but you don't have to dissect the thread to see who's upset at what and how illogical it is

[HornetJail]

we signed kwame for a 1 year, 1.3 mil deal. nobody was mad at that deal.

people were mad at the sheer fact that kwame brown was kwame brown in the same way that people are mad at williams for being williams.

the contract, sure - even though its just two years, but you don't have to dissect the thread to see who's upset at what and how illogical it is

We're not mad at Marvin Williams being Marvin Williams. We're mad at Marvin Williams for making twice of what we should have spent on a player of his caliber. It is impossible to be this upset at a one-year minimum deal for a team at the bottom of the league.