Greensboro Swarm: The G-League Thread

BlackOutBuzz · Post #361 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:02 am

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Archie Goodwin finished with 31 points (12-19 FGs; 7-8 FTs) and 11 boards for the Swarm #NBADL

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Post #362 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:08 am

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Nice shout out to the Swarm venue by the scout guy from draft express. Not exactly sure why he's at the game though.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #363 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:01 am

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Nice shout out to the Swarm venue by the scout guy from draft express. Not exactly sure why he's at the game though.

He was watching TJ Williams of Northwestern when they played at Elon yesterday, almost a literal stone's throw from me. Guess he wanted to catch more basketball while he was in the area.

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Post #364 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:43 pm

So long Ray...

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Grand Rapids Drive officially announce return of Ray McCallum. Team waived Bruce Massey to make room. #NBADL

BlackOutBuzz · Post #365 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:17 am

Wait what is happening.

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Well this is a new one....rain delay!
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BlackOutBuzz · Post #366 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:41 pm

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Post #367 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:28 pm

Shams Charania‏Verified account @ShamsCharania 8m8 minutes ago
The Brooklyn Nets are signing guard Archie Goodwin to a 10-day contract from D-League Greensboro, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Reichert throwing some shade on that signing...

Chris Reichert‏ @Chris_Reichert 8m8 minutes ago
I'm always happy when guys earn a call up, but there are 10-15 players more deserving than Archie. He really hasn't played that well...

Chris Reichert‏ @Chris_Reichert 3m3 minutes ago
Goodwin averaged 17 points & 5.2 rebounds in 34 games for Greensboro. Splits were 438/235/724 and had more TOs than assists

Chris Reichert‏ @Chris_Reichert 2m2 minutes ago
BUT it's easy to forget Goodwin is still just 22 years old. Problem with that is I haven't really seen any progression since Suns had him

BlackOutBuzz · Post #368 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:39 pm

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Greensboro Swarm big man Mike Tobey has signed with Valencia in Spain, the team announced #NBADL

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"Goodbye Tobey, it's been nIIIiiiice, hope you find your paradIIIIiise."

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Post #369 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:45 pm

Good for Tobey. Curious how long term of a deal that will be and if he wants to try to come back to the US.

Mystical Apples · Post #370 » by **Mystical Apples** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:10 pm

Betting we'll see Tobey on a SL roster. Gotta make that career choice though.

Post #371 » by **fatlever** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:20 pm

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Post #372 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:39 pm

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The Greensboro Swarm have acquired Vashil Fernandez and Mardracus Wade both via the player pool #NBADL

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Anyone heard of these guys? Guessing just building depth with Goodwin and Tobey signing deals.

Snidely FC · Post #373 » by **Snidely FC** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:06 pm

never heard of either of the guys they picked up, but found these:

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Fernandez looks to be a shotblocker-rebounder

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SWedd523 · Post #374 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:17 pm

Dracula Wade? We just picked up Dwyane Wade's vampire cousin

Post #375 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 1:14 pm

DWilkins the beast...

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Snidely FC · Post #376 » by **Snidely FC** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:03 pm

Bothered me that CHA had its hands on Frank Jackson, a kid many thought had 1st rd talent this yr and projected to be a lottery pick next year, and let him go. I get it, they wanted to stay under the tax. Then why, I wondered, wouldn't they sign one of those new two way contracts to keep him in Greensboro for training and safekeeping? So, here's what I learned about the new G League 2 Way contracts:

Are there any reasons that players— whether they're second-round picks, undrafted rookies, or currently in the D-League or overseas—wouldn't want to sign a two-way contract?

Yes. VICE Sports spoke to a number of NBA player agents, most of whom said they won't advise their clients to sign two-year two-way contracts—something they expect teams to push for. The reason? While a two-way contract can encourage a team to invest development time and resources into a player, it also limits that player's ability to land a regular NBA contract.

If a player goes undrafted or accepts a required tender offer as a second-round pick but then gets released in training camp, he becomes available to the entire league. But if he's under a two-way contract, only that team can call him up to the league. Here's why that could be a problem: suppose you're a defensive wing on a two-way deal, playing in the D-League because your parent NBA team has a logjam of more established wing stoppers. If another franchise suffers a series of injuries to its wing players and needs someone like you, you're out of luck, even though it's a golden opportunity.

Moreover, players who refuse two-way deals and take their chances as undrafted free agents can still make money. Strong undrafted prospects often are able to earn a $50,000 training camp salary, be cut, and then earn an additional $26,000 as an affiliate D-Leaguer. That $76,000 is less than what two-way players will make, of course, potentially by a factor of four. But for some players, the freedom to sign with any team in the league will be worth leaving cash on the table. For players on the margins of making a NBA roster, talent differences are miniscule. Fit is crucial. Having the flexibility to find right circumstance could mean less money in the short term, but more money and a better career over time.

What about NBA teams? Since two-way contracts offer the opportunity to acquire additional assets at low cost, they sound like a no-lose proposition. Is there any potential downside?

Possibly. Let's let a player agent explain.

"To me, teams are really stupid with (two-way contracts)," an agent told VICE Sports. "They thought, 'Wow, we invested $50,000 in this kid to come to training camp and come to our D-League team, and then he got really good and now we're out $50,000 because another team signed him."

Two-way contracts solve that issue. Right?

"That's one way of thinking of it," the agent said. "Here's another. Those deals were like health insurance. You pay into it, and you may never use it, but when you need it, you get the benefit. So these affiliate players in the past, you pay them, you get a good player on your D-League team, someone on another NBA team gets injured, they call him up, and you lose the player. But it went the same for you. When you needed a player, you could go get one from any D-League team and the world was open to you outside of draft picks. You could get the best player you needed."

And now? "They screwed themselves," the agent said. "Now, they're more limited to only those guys on their own team. Sure, affiliate guys are going to be up for grabs everywhere. But what you have to assume now is that two-way contract players are going to make up roughly the 60 best players in the D-League. Theoretically, that's who they should be, and those guys are going to be off-limits to most teams.

"So now, a lot of call-ups aren't going to be the best player at a specific position of need. Instead, they're going to be the best affiliate player who is likely outside of the top-60 players in the D-League for two reasons. Either a) the two two-way players each team has don't fit the positional need or b) they want to keep those players on two-ways instead of converting them to standard contracts."

Long story short, two-way deals might hurt every team in the league by preventing some of the best D-League talent from flowing to where it's needed most.

How will two-way contracts affect the NBA Draft?

This remains a matter of conjecture and debate throughout the league. For a second-round pick, accepting a two-way contract may not be the best option, depending on life circumstances. Most American players would rather play in the United States than overseas, and they can now get paid reasonably to do so. But is a two-way deal the best path for them to reach the elusive goal of an NBA career? If you're an established, high-level player over in Europe, is a two-way deal the most lucrative path?

Maybe not. Meanwhile, teams may not feel that second-round picks are the best use of two-way contracts—after all, there are lots of players in the world, and draft picks aren't the only ones vying for those deals.

Here's how the agents who spoke to VICE Sports think this year's draft is going to play out with regards to two-way deals: at some point next week, teams will call agents to find out which players are amenable to taking two-way deals for next season. Agents will talk to their clients, and put all the options out on the table.

Next, teams will create two lists of players: those who are willing to take two-way deals, and those who won't, but will take the non-guaranteed, one-year required tender that every franchise must offer a second-round pick. Players in the latter group could be seen as riskier selections; a team could have to release them in training camp, losing a potential asset for nothing.

Every agent who spoke to VICE Sports said they will push for some sort of agreement—likely handshake deals—guaranteeing that their two-way players will get the maximum 45 days on a NBA roster, the better to earn the maximum possible amount of money. Most of these conversations haven't happened yet, so no one really knows if that's a demand teams will be eager or willing to meet. Most likely, it will happen on a case-by-case basis.

Bigger picture, two-way deals probably won't fix what's arguably the main problem with the draft's second round: the best players often aren't picked—rather, it's the best players amenable to particular teams' terms. Things may become slightly more meritocratic, but don't expect a perfect marketplace.

Did the Laws of Unintended NBA Consequences factor into yet another blue chip player landing somewhere other than CHA? The answer, as usual in CHA, is "maybe."

BlackOutBuzz · Post #377 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:41 pm

Swarm lost the rights to Perry Ellis and Josh Davis to the Wisconsin Herd in today's expansion draft.

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BlackOutBuzz · Post #378 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:48 pm

Draft was yesterday, Swarm made three picks before passing on their fourth.

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Post #379 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:56 pm

Anyone ever heard of any of those guys?

SeanBobcats · Post #380 » by **SeanBobcats** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:12 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Anyone ever heard of any of those guys?

I've watched Denzel Ingram at UNCW for basically all of his games. Has great handles and quickness and is a very good shooter off the dribble. He was super good at any point where the offense was late in the shot clock and was the go to guy on game winning shots which he hit multiple of. He's got pretty good strength and plays good defense considering his height, but unfortunately he's only around 5'10 so he'll probably never amount to anything in the NBA.