OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

amcoolio · Post #381 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:07 am

You have the classic RealGM case of ignoring what teams players are currently playing on and how their surroundings help/hurt them as a player. If Leonard was drafted #9 by the Bobcats, you wouldn't be saying any of those things about him today. You'd probably be talking about him as a bust. This isn't a fantasy NBA 2k12 world, where you plug a player anywhere and they are the same player. I guarantee you if Kemba was drafted 15th by the Spurs, he'd have been in ROY contention and people would be gushing over him.

Same with Bynum. Bynum lucked out into being coached by Phil, playing next to Kobe and then also Gasol and Odom, in an environment where he had to give full effort and be focused. If Bynum were drafted by Charlotte or Golden State or Sacramento, where there were no hall of famers/hall of fame coaches, then he would have played 40 or less games a year, not have added the bulk he has right now, and be another big with potential like so many others that have gone and passed.

AnaheimRoyale · Post #382 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:09 am

I guarnetee you if Kemba was drafted 15th by the Spurs, he'd have been in ROY contention and people would be gushing over him

The real fallacy is that teams can imbue bad players with talent and vice versa. Ridiculous. There's some affect from environment, but you're either good or not. Joe Johnson didn't forget how to play ball when he left Phoenix, just like Morrison still sucked when he left the Bobcats. Most times a duck is just a duck.

amcoolio · Post #383 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:13 am

AnaheimRoyale wrote:
I guarnetee you if Kemba was drafted 15th by the Spurs, he'd have been in ROY contention and people would be gushing over him

The real fallacy is that teams can imbue bad players with talent and vice versa. Ridiculous. There's some affect from environment, but you're either good or not. Joe Johnson didn't forget how to play ball when he left Phoenix, just like Morrison still sucked when he left the Bobcats. Most times a duck is just a duck.

The Bobcats system and coaching was so atrocious last season, that almost any player and nearly every rookie would have been bad/had bad stats. Seriously, go watch tape. Most of Kemba's missed shots were because he was passed the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock left or less. Silas' offense was designed not to get the offense rolling until 10 seconds were left on the shot clock. Coupled with the fact that there were no inseason practices and the Silas'es gave up a week into the season, and any rookie would have looked terrible.

By the way Kemba averaged a respectable 12/4/4 given the circumstances

AnaheimRoyale · Post #384 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:17 am

You're attributing to me positions I've never even taken... have I mentioned Kemba?

Elden Payton · Post #385 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 am

Everything you have said is basically ignorant or blatantly false.

a) 24mpg is not starter minutes, that said he probably should have done more in his time.
b)12/7.5/1.9/1.5 is nowhere close to Marion
c)By a team with a lot of weapons do you mean beast mode TP, old man TD and injured Manu?? Again Kawhi should have done more.

As for the last paragraph Kawhi played two years of college ball and Kobe came out of highschool, horrible comparison.

The ignorance is you are stating a definite by saying that MKG WILL NOT be a top five player from this class but claiming to us you are not a psychic and cannot name who will be and noone can...

You are shifting the goal posts on almost everything, hindight is a wonderful thing and YOU have to take in the context of the picks...If Waiters doesn't live upto expectations then I can Chris Grant being fired...If they had taken Drummond and he'd busted you really couldn't blame him.

You cannot blame Pritchard for taking Oden, you cannot blame Kahn for taking Beasley and you cannot blame anyone for not taking 17 year old injury prone Andre Bynum top ten.

Amcoolio was correct also.

Please kindly leave our board you are obviously trolling.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #386 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:52 am

Anaheim, you repeatedly stated that MKG would not be a top 5 rookie, but offered no reason why or who would be better than him. You only did it to incite a reaction out of us. It's pretty much your standard run-of-the-mill troll tactic. You say "I'm not psychic," but have no issue saying "he won't live up to his draft spot." You may very well be right about that, but at least use something to support it. It's like me saying "The Spurs won't make the playoffs this year" and then when asked for an explanation I respond with "THEY JUST WON'T OKAYYYYY!!!! LALALALALA CAN'T HEEEEEEAR YOUUUU!!!" Here's the fence: now pick a side, don't sit on it.

AnaheimRoyale wrote:Where did I make that claim (that he wouldn't be a top 5 player from his class)? Quote me, please.

Here ya go:

AnaheimRoyale wrote:I'm not sure he'll finish up in the top 5.

It's not an unfair claim to make...you just need to support your points if you want them to be respected.

TheKingofSting · Post #387 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:02 am

With this one game sample and now the wait the legend of MKG is going to be out of control before the first game and I think I like it that way.

AnaheimRoyale · Post #388 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:05 am

Sik Infant wrote:Everything you have said is basically ignorant or blatantly false.

This ought to be good.

a) 24mpg is not starter minutes, that said he probably should have done more in his time.
b)12/7.5/1.9/1.5 is nowhere close to Marion
c)By a team with a lot of weapons do you mean beast mode TP, old man TD and injured Manu?? Again Kawhi should have done more.

I mean a team who won the equivalent of 62 games on the back of their great depth. Like I said, you don't measure talent on the basis of raw stats like ppg or rpg. No, Kawhi's situation is not the same as Kobe, he's not being projected to be Kobe either. Kobe wasn't listed as a direct comparison, he was cited as an example of how rookie stats aren't a good indication of prime stats. Jesus. Kawhi looked really good this year, there is a reason he made the all rookie first team and the rookie game.

The ignorance is you are stating a definite by saying that MKG WILL NOT be a top five player

Which I never said. I asked you to quote me, if you can't then shut up.

There are some Bobcat fans who really need to be less defensive here. As one of your own fans pointed out, there is nothing unreasonable about doubting MKG will be a top 5 player from this draft.

TheKingofSting · Post #389 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:06 am

AnaheimRoyale wrote:but I don't feel confident MKG ends up as the #2 player in this draft at all, and I'm not sure he'll finish up in the top 5. That's something to be concerned about, not dismissed by fans chanting MKG's name.

AnaheimRoyale · Post #390 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:08 am

Yes, that's what I've maintained I said the whole time. It is not the remark attributed to me, which is

you are stating a definite by saying that MKG WILL NOT be a top five player

I have made no such claim.

Maybe if people stopped overreacting they'd have more time to discuss the reasons I feel that way...

Elden Payton · Post #391 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:10 am

The quote is two posts up.

Please get the **** off our board, you are most welcome when not trolling.

Also you are obviously trolling.

AnaheimRoyale · Post #392 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:14 am

Sik Infant wrote:The quote is two posts up.

Please get the **** off our board, you are most welcome when not trolling.

Also you are obviously trolling.

I'm baffled. Are you not reading my posts properly, or are you actually unable to differentiate between "I don't feel confident about X" and "X is definitely happening, IT WILL HAPPEN, it's a fait accompli". Seriously? This would explain alot about the MKG overreaction I'm getting though...

Elden Payton · Post #393 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:19 am

No it's how obnoxious you are.

We are all reading your posts and we are answering factually, you are obviously the one with the problem.

MKG at 18 is already the second best player from this class, it's quite conceivable that in five years he will still be a top five player.

In five years Lillard will be 27, Robinson will be 26...Gilchrist will be a year older than Lilard now...and is already superior to both.

Eoghan · Post #394 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:21 am

AnaheimRoyale · Post #395 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:23 am

Sik Infant wrote:No it's how obnoxious you are.

We are all reading your posts and we are answering factually, you are obviously the one with the problem.

Odd, because I would have thought someone mis-reading my post, and attacking me for a remark they incorrectly attributed to me, without apologising, would be the obnoxious one.

MKG at 18 is already the second best player from this class, it's quite conceivable that in five years he will still be a top five player.

In five years Lillard will be 27, Robinson will be 26...Gilchrist will be a year older than Lilard now...and is already superior to both.

I'm sorry, how do we know he's the 2nd best player right now? Have they played any NBA games yet? Or are you just basing this off his one summer league game?

BlackOutBuzz · Post #396 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:28 am

Lillard is older than Thor? Man that sucks, thought he was setting Summer League on fire at 19-20 years old. Someone mentioned that maybe they'd take Lillard over MKG in a re-draft...tempting until finding out he's 22.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #397 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:35 am

AnaheimRoyale wrote:I'm sorry, how do we know he's the NOT 2nd best player right now? Have they played any NBA games yet? Or are you just basing this off his one summer league game?

I don't see how you can use one Summer League game to say he WON'T be the second or third best player from the draft, but he can't use the one game to say the opposite... I think it's far too early to make either claim, but I don't know how one opinion can be valid while the other isn't.

Elden Payton · Post #398 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:35 am

BlackOutBobcat wrote:Lillard is older than Thor? Man that sucks, thought he was setting Summer League on fire at 19-20 years old. Someone mentioned that maybe they'd take Lillard over MKG in a re-draft...tempting until finding out he's 22.

Lillard is one year older than Thor, they both declared as juniors but Lillard was redshirt junior after missing all but nine games of his real junior season with a foot injury.

Lillard will be 23 halfway through his rookie season.

Funnily enough Royce White despite declaring as a Sophomore is actually 21 years old, he originally got committed to Minnesota but after being charged for theft TWICE he left the team and took two years off to concentrate on his music career...lol

Miles Plumlee is 24 years old.

Weird year for ages.

MKG will be the same age as Lillard now when he comes off his rookie deal...lol

BlackOutBuzz · Post #399 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:41 am

Sik Infant wrote:
BlackOutBobcat wrote:Lillard is older than Thor? Man that sucks, thought he was setting Summer League on fire at 19-20 years old. Someone mentioned that maybe they'd take Lillard over MKG in a re-draft...tempting until finding out he's 22.

Lillard is one year older than Thor, they both declared as juniors but Lillard was redshirt junior after missing all but nine games of his real junior season with a foot injury.

Lillard will be 23 halfway through his rookie season.

Funnily enough Royce White despite declaring as a Sophomore is actually 21 years old, he originally got committed to Minnesota but after being charged for theft TWICE he left the team and took two years off to concentrate on his music career...lol

Miles Plumlee is 24 years old.

Weird year for ages.

MKG will be the same age as Lillard now when he comes off his rookie deal...lol

Crazy, especially Royce (lol).

I REALLY liked Thor pre-draft...but I just didn't like the fact that there seemed to be about 4-5 guys all considered to be in that "second tier," and that he was older than the others. Not a knock on him, but I was intrigued by the thought of where these younger guys (MKG, Beal, Andre, etc.) would be when they are Robinson's age. Glad we went for one of the younger guys for that reason.

AnaheimRoyale · Post #400 » by **AnaheimRoyale** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:42 am

I think it's far too early to make either claim

Which is probably why I haven't made it, rather the MKG backers like Sik have.