2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

mrknowitall215 · Post #381 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:43 am

SWedd523 wrote:What'd you think about Archie?

I think Archie Goodwin is a less athletic version of Russell Westbrook. He forces too much in order to be productive. I can't envision him being efficient enough to be a All-Star on the next level.

Post #382 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:29 pm

SWedd523 wrote:What'd you think about Archie?

Has pretty good size. I was surprised that he ended up putting up the points that he did because he didn't seem to have that much of an impact on the game.

The guy that seriously stood out in the game was that Behanan kid from Louisville. He looked amazing. Pity he's not 6'10 - 7'0". With his strength, foot work and smarts he would be a hell of a centre.

ohara · Post #383 » by **ohara** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:38 pm

BigSlam wrote:
ohara wrote:But you can see that although he and Biyombo might be good for defense and rebounds, they would be a disaster playing on the court together as far as scoring. Not a quality enough player to justify taking over Shabazz or McLemore.

I think that Noel will be much better than Biz.

Better - I agree. Not sure about much better. Biz is still learning the position and he has improved, despite the fact that he shot poorly last night. I think Noel will be better offensively, but not defensively. I still think it would be bad to have them on the court together and give us virtually no offensive output from the 4/5 spots. Would you take Noel and plan to start him and already consider Biz only for coming off the bench? I dont think I am ready just yet to throw in the towel on Biz. As for Noel, just cannot see the Cats taking him over Shabazz or McLemore. And the way we are playing right now, it seems we will have out option of anyone we want.

Eoghan · Post #384 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:02 pm

I'd draft Noel over McLemore but not Muhammad. I don't think Noel and Biz on offense would be any worse than any two bigs we've been rolling out there. Noel should actually be a good P&R player and would actually receive passes from teammates. Biz would be a garbage guy which is what he is best suited for at this point anyway.

I'd also draft Noel over McLemore b/c I think even if it doesn't work out, Noel would probably be easier to trade than McLemore.

JT2006 · Post #385 » by **JT2006** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:02 pm

If Noel could show me he'd be above average in the NBA PnR I'd draft him straight away. Kemba needs that.

Eoghan · Post #386 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:44 pm

JT2006 wrote:If Noel could show me he'd be above average in the NBA PnR I'd draft him straight away. Kemba needs that.

Might be tough to know until draft workouts b/c UK doesn't have that great of a pg for once.

Post #387 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:19 pm

ohara wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
ohara wrote:But you can see that although he and Biyombo might be good for defense and rebounds, they would be a disaster playing on the court together as far as scoring. Not a quality enough player to justify taking over Shabazz or McLemore.

I think that Noel will be much better than Biz.

Better - I agree. Not sure about much better.

He already seems to be more coordinated, aggressive and a better finisher than Biz.

Youthanasia · Post #388 » by **Youthanasia** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:23 pm

biz is my fav player defensive beast, hard working guy, great motor.

JT2006 · Post #389 » by **JT2006** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:26 pm

BigSlam wrote:
ohara wrote:
BigSlam wrote:I think that Noel will be much better than Biz.

Better - I agree. Not sure about much better.

He already seems to be more coordinated, aggressive and a better finisher than Biz.

do you know of a player who isn't?

Liver_Pooty · Post #390 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:41 pm

Watching Zeller right now, and there is absolutely no way Id spend a top 5 pick on him.

catch20two · Post #391 » by **catch20two** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:53 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Watching Zeller right now, and there is absolutely no way Id spend a top 5 pick on him.

He's a taller version of Tyler Hansbrough.

Red Larrivee · Post #392 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:18 pm

catch20two wrote:He's a taller version of Tyler Hansbrough.

If Hansbrough is playing at his best, a seven-foot version of him would be pretty good, but yeah I don't know if I'd use a Top-5 pick on Zeller. Can't shoot, too soft, and I don't like him as a last line of help on D at center.

Noel would look really good in the middle for the Bobcats. I guess he's redundant to Biyombo, but I just feel he will do more immediately and is just more talented.

JT2006 · Post #393 » by **JT2006** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:26 pm

Zeller should stay anyway. He needs to come out as the most polished big he can.

Eoghan · Post #394 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 12:59 am

Zeller's not even the best player on his team right now. If Olidipo continues playing like this, he's gonna be a top 10 pick. If he had better size and was younger, he already would be. I like that Sheehy guy too, every time I see him play he instantly produces.

Steven Adams is rawer than an unborn child. Very slow, doesn't move well, and extremely foul prone. He is huge and looks to rebound though. Too bad he wasn't born in Spain and playing pro ball since he was 15 or he might be a Marc Gasol clone. But right now I'd be shocked if he came out for the draft.

Trevor Mbakwe is a hard nosed rebounding guy I saw today. Passionate, soft hands and a solid defender. A little small for NBA PF but might be a guy worth targeting in the mid-late 1st round.

I think Michael Carter-Williams is a top 5 guy right now. Him and Phil Pressey are my favorite PGs to watch currently.

Kembastockton · Post #395 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 5:30 am

I think Michael Carter-Williams is a top 5 guy right now. Him and Phil Pressey are my favorite PGs to watch currently.

18 pts. 9 rbs. and 13 assists tonight! He's averaging 12 and 10 as a 6'6 pointguard. This kid just leap frogged into my top five.

SWedd523 · Post #396 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 5:42 am

Don't see how MCW could be of service to us. Nowhere near athletic enough to hang in the NBA as a starter and doesn't have the shooting touch to negate that lack of athleticism. He's like a taller Kendall Marshall. Would be nice to have as a backup, change of pace, but not somebody I'd willingly draft

princeofpalace · Post #397 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 11:06 am

SWedd523 wrote:Don't see how MCW could be of service to us. Nowhere near athletic enough to hang in the NBA as a starter and doesn't have the shooting touch to negate that lack of athleticism. He's like a taller Kendall Marshall. Would be nice to have as a backup, change of pace, but not somebody I'd willingly draft

Since when is MCW unathletic? Hes not a freak but he's a good NBA athlete.

Kembastockton · Post #398 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 1:27 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Don't see how MCW could be of service to us. Nowhere near athletic enough to hang in the NBA as a starter and doesn't have the shooting touch to negate that lack of athleticism. He's like a taller Kendall Marshall. Would be nice to have as a backup, change of pace, but not somebody I'd willingly draft

How can a 6'6 player be athletic enough to be a pointguard, but not athletic enough to be a two guard?

catch20two · Post #399 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 2:29 pm

I don't know what SWedd talking about but Michael Carter-Williams is very athletic, just not Ben McLemore athletic, not an efficient scorer at all and has no kind of shooting touch. That's why I would be hesitant to draft him as our SG though.

SWedd523 · Post #400 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jan 1, 2013 6:33 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Don't see how MCW could be of service to us. Nowhere near athletic enough to hang in the NBA as a starter and doesn't have the shooting touch to negate that lack of athleticism. He's like a taller Kendall Marshall. Would be nice to have as a backup, change of pace, but not somebody I'd willingly draft

How can a 6'6 player be athletic enough to be a pointguard, but not athletic enough to be a two guard?

Where did I say anything about the position he'd be playing? In the games I've seen, I haven't seen anything that made me think "very good" athlete.

He's a horrible shooter. Seriously, 37.2% as a 6'6 PG? Damn. Doesn't weigh any more than 180 or so pounds. Average length for his height And not a great athlete, especially not by NBA standards. Why in the world would we draft him?

He might be good for a team like Detroit that has a bunch of SGs masquerading as PGs, but for us, no thanks