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Post#381 » by Elden Payton » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:09 am

Why is Hendo filler?

Why would he not suit the needs of any team in the league?

That makes no sense.
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Post#382 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:14 am

Sik Infant wrote:Why is Hendo filler?

Why would he not suit the needs of any team in the league?

That makes no sense.


He's a bench player with a long term contract and you think you can piece together a deal for an impact player on offense - and when pressed - the best you can come up with is Korver. I don't believe our situation sucks that much. I see a silver lining. I'm under no illusions about Henderson's trade value and I'm also not married to MKG so it's easier for me to see. I never liked the pick.
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Post#383 » by catch20two » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:21 am

No team in the NBA is going to be willing to trade for Hendo unless he's just filler within a package involving one of Kemba, MKG, Zeller, Jefferson, or 1st rounders. The best bet to solve our spacing issues right now is to bench Hendo and give him his rightful role as a 6th man. I honestly wouldn't mind starting Gordon right about now. We could try Taylor but then we wouldn't have a reserve SF and he isn't playing any better than Hendo himself.
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Post#384 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:23 am

And to be clear I feel Korver is patchwork and what I want to do is exchange a long term piece (MKG) for a significant long term piece that balances our roster better. You have to trade value to solve this problem. The fundamental difference here is you want to build around MKG as part of the core and I want another core player in his place, but it's difficult to envision because we don't know who that player would be and MKG's value is a wild card. I'd be willing to put up MKG and one or two first round picks to resolve the spacing issue indefinitely and worry about where we draft when we draft - Gary Harris will probably be there mid-round.
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Post#385 » by Elden Payton » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:24 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Why is Hendo filler?

Why would he not suit the needs of any team in the league?

That makes no sense.


He's a bench player with a long term contract and you think you can piece together a deal for an impact player on offense - and when pressed - the best you can come up with is Korver. I don't believe our situation sucks that much. I see a silver lining. I'm under no illusions about Henderson's trade value and I'm also not married to MKG so it's easier for me to see. I never liked the pick.


Since when are guys like OJ Mayo and Wilson Chandler "impact players"? don't make out there value to be something it's not.

Don't make out like I said something that I didn't either.

I used Korver of an example of a Hendo trade which instantly contributes to fixing some of our spacing issues.

I also came up with 3 viable examples on this very page.

What is your point?

You're just carrying on with this MKG crap.
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Post#386 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:26 am

Sik Infant wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Why is Hendo filler?

Why would he not suit the needs of any team in the league?

That makes no sense.


He's a bench player with a long term contract and you think you can piece together a deal for an impact player on offense - and when pressed - the best you can come up with is Korver. I don't believe our situation sucks that much. I see a silver lining. I'm under no illusions about Henderson's trade value and I'm also not married to MKG so it's easier for me to see. I never liked the pick.


Since when are guys like OJ Mayo and Wilson Chandler "impact players"? don't make out there value to be something it's not.

Don't make out like I said something that I didn't either.

I used Korver of an example of a Hendo trade which instantly contributes to fixing some of our spacing issues.

I also came up with 3 viable examples on this very page.

What is your point?

You're just carrying on with this MKG crap.


Mayo is a better player! Why downgrade? For a bench player add on?

Same with Chandler.

Henderson is filler. You're going about this problem the wrong way because it's the easy way out. If we solve this problem - and I think we can all agree that we hope we can - I think it's going to be a little more painful than what you imagine.
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Post#387 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:28 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Why is Hendo filler?

Why would he not suit the needs of any team in the league?

That makes no sense.


He's a bench player with a long term contract and you think you can piece together a deal for an impact player on offense - and when pressed - the best you can come up with is Korver. I don't believe our situation sucks that much. I see a silver lining. I'm under no illusions about Henderson's trade value and I'm also not married to MKG so it's easier for me to see. I never liked the pick.


Yeah, we know you didn't like the pick. You remind us everyday.
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Post#388 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:29 am

I'd rather just solve this problem in the draft and free agency next season.
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Post#389 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:30 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd rather just solve this problem in the draft and free agency next season.


I'm definitely not a fan of prolonged agony. most definitely NOT
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Post#390 » by catch20two » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:31 am

MasterIchiro wrote:And to be clear I feel Korver is patchwork and what I want to do is exchange a long term piece (MKG) for a significant long term piece that balances our roster better. You have to trade value to solve this problem. The fundamental difference here is you want to build around MKG as part of the core and I want another core player in his place, but it's difficult to envision because we don't know who that player would be and MKG's value is a wild card. I'd be willing to put up MKG and one or two first round picks to resolve the spacing issue indefinitely and worry about where we draft when we draft - Gary Harris will probably be there mid-round.


I understand your frustrations but trading MKG is not the answer. We just have to be patient and get our 'shooting' SG in the draft or free-agency. Trading a long term piece with tremendous upside in MKG for short term pieces that are what they are like Wilson Chandler or O.J. Mayo would be foolish.
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Post#391 » by Elden Payton » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:32 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd rather just solve this problem in the draft and free agency next season.


That's my point, at worst we either trade Henderson, Sessions or Jefferson.

How do we build longterm success by trading the reults of our historical tanking job plus future draft picks?

Why trade MKG???????

WTF.
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Post#392 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:35 am

Sik Infant wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd rather just solve this problem in the draft and free agency next season.


That's my point, at worst we either trade Henderson, Sessions or Jefferson.

How do we build longterm success by trading the reults of our historical tanking job plus future draft picks?

Why trade MKG???????

WTF.


If McRoberts keeps playing well don't be surprised if his name pops up here and there. He will be in for a nice little raise in the off season and we all know that Zeller is our future PF. Will be something to keep an eye on.
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Post#393 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:40 am

I can see a compromise here where they keep MKG but develop him more gradually the way they're doing with Biyombo and now Zeller. Both Zeller and Biyombo are playing behind more seasoned players. I think if you can bring in Rudy Gay for the return of the Hornets, you do it. MKG would play behind him but it might only be for a year and a half. Rudy Gay is not a great shooter by any means but he draws attention on the floor and creates pressure on offense.
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Post#394 » by Elden Payton » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:41 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd rather just solve this problem in the draft and free agency next season.


That's my point, at worst we either trade Henderson, Sessions or Jefferson.

How do we build longterm success by trading the reults of our historical tanking job plus future draft picks?

Why trade MKG???????

WTF.


If McRoberts keeps playing well don't be surprised if his name pops up here and there. He will be in for a nice little raise in the off season and we all know that Zeller is our future PF. Will be something to keep an eye on.


I think our list of trade value goes something like this

Jefferson
Kemba
Zeller
MKG
McBob
Sessions
Taylor
Hendo
Everyone else.

I would be happy with trading anyone under MKG or above Kemba.

The reality is that we have good flexibility going forward and no doubt some trades are going to be made before deadline or in the offseason.
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Post#395 » by Elden Payton » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:45 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I can see a compromise here where they keep MKG but develop him more gradually the way they're doing with Biyombo and now Zeller. Both Zeller and Biyombo are playing behind more seasoned players. I think if you can bring in Rudy Gay for the return of the Hornets, you do it. MKG would play behind him but it might only be for a year and a half. Rudy Gay is not a great shooter by any means but he draws attention on the floor and creates pressure on offense.


How can you even talk about long term sustainability and then mention Rudy Gay?

There is no compromise in regards to trading MKG, no way our FO does it unless it's for overs.

Jordan has already said that we will spend big $ in free agency this upcoming offseason, why give up that flexibility?

Beal is shooting 28 percent to start the season, should Washington trade him?
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Post#396 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:47 am

Sik Infant wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I can see a compromise here where they keep MKG but develop him more gradually the way they're doing with Biyombo and now Zeller. Both Zeller and Biyombo are playing behind more seasoned players. I think if you can bring in Rudy Gay for the return of the Hornets, you do it. MKG would play behind him but it might only be for a year and a half. Rudy Gay is not a great shooter by any means but he draws attention on the floor and creates pressure on offense.


How can you even talk about long term sustainability and then mention Rudy Gay?



Because I also mentioned how MKG would stay in the core.
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Post#397 » by Elden Payton » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:50 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I can see a compromise here where they keep MKG but develop him more gradually the way they're doing with Biyombo and now Zeller. Both Zeller and Biyombo are playing behind more seasoned players. I think if you can bring in Rudy Gay for the return of the Hornets, you do it. MKG would play behind him but it might only be for a year and a half. Rudy Gay is not a great shooter by any means but he draws attention on the floor and creates pressure on offense.


How can you even talk about long term sustainability and then mention Rudy Gay?



Because I also mentioned how MKG would stay in the core.


But at what cost?

Why invest 34m in a guy who plays the same position as the player who has the most potential on our whole team?

I know you said we could develop MKG slow but he is already a good player, he just has a terrible jumper.

Rudy Gay would set our franchise back years.
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Post#398 » by JDR720 » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:55 am

dont think we should trade Al or any recent draft pick besides Jeff,wouldn't mind trading McBoob

just signed Al and he is probably the best scoring center in the NBA, put 3pt shooting and good defenders around him and he will average 20 and 10 easy

i dont care for Jeff think he is just a 3 and D player maybe package him and Gerald for a pick

McBoob is a good passer and shooter but i think he is very average in everything else and he might hender the development of Zeller

we can make some big upgrades this offseason with FA's and draft, 3 draft picks (maybe more)

could probably package Gerald,Taylor and McBoob to get a border line All-Star like a Nicolas Batum
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Post#399 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:57 am

Sik Infant wrote:
Rudy Gay would set our franchise back years.


What? I don't see that at all. He's only contracted through next year. He has one more year on his contract than Ben Gordon. He'd come cheap and for his cheap price he'd make more impact than anyone Henderson could return.
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Post#400 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Nov 4, 2013 12:58 am

JDR720 wrote:
could probably package Gerald,Taylor and McBoob to get a border line All-Star like a Nicolas Batum


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